2015-16 Dallas Stars Thread

[Fletch]

Stars beat up on the Sharks.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Stars beat up on the Sharks.

I'm watching it now. Gotta love NHL Center Ice! The only reason I have it is because I don't live in the area anymore. When I miss games, it's golden! (well, it's always golden except when they are nationally televised. I prefer that with the Cowboys, but I hate it with the Stars. The Stars have the best play by play in the game (Dave Strader, miss you Ralph Strangis) and the best color guy (Daryl "Razor" Reaughin) the league.

 

[dallasdave]

This Team is so awesome!

And it is a Dallas team, so it is even that much better !!!

 

[Future]

Might as well just give us the cup now.

I'll believe that they are a contender when their GAA improves. They're at 2.73 right now, which is in the bottom half of the league, and you can't win in the playoffs like that.

The last 5 cup winners GAA were:
Chi - 2.18
LAK - 2.05
Chi - 2.02
LAK - 2.07
BOS - 2.30

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'll believe that they are a contender when their GAA improves. They're at 2.73 right now, which is in the bottom half of the league, and you can't win in the playoffs like that.

The last 5 cup winners GAA were:
Chi - 2.18
LAK - 2.05
Chi - 2.02
LAK - 2.07
BOS - 2.30

You know, the season really just started and for you to take this sample size and start declaring they aren't contenders is crazy talk. (everyone else in the NHL believes in them) They've had two bad games so far this year. Those two games they gave up 6 goals. If you just cut that in half and make it 3 goals which is still well above their average goals against, it brings that total down to 2.18 GAA.

Every single team you listed gave multiple games of large goals against totals during the years they won the cup.

You hate the Stars don't you? All you do is come in here and piss on them. Who are you a fan of? Blackhawks I bet. You're pissed cause the salary cap has basically crippled your team and the Stars raided their pantry.

 

[Future]

You know, the season really just started and for you to take this sample size and start declaring they aren't contenders is crazy talk. (everyone else in the NHL believes in them) They've had two bad games so far this year. Those two games they gave up 6 goals. If you just cut that in half and make it 3 goals which is still well above their average goals against, it brings that total down to 2.18 GAA.

Every single team you listed gave multiple games of large goals against totals during the years they won the cup.

You hate the Stars don't you? All you do is come in here and piss on them. Who are you a fan of? Blackhawks I bet. You're pissed cause the salary cap has basically crippled your team and the Stars raided their pantry.

I'm a Rangers fan.

I actually like the Stars, I just think that the discussion around here is blindingly optimistic and doesn't really look at the big picture.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm a Rangers fan.

I actually like the Stars, I just think that the discussion around here is blindingly optimistic and doesn't really look at the big picture.

lol, clearly you haven't been watching any Stars games. We (Stars fans) have a lot to be optimistic about. Right now, player for player we probably are the most talented team in the NHL.

 

[RastaRocket]

I'll believe that they are a contender when their GAA improves. They're at 2.73 right now, which is in the bottom half of the league, and you can't win in the playoffs like that.

The last 5 cup winners GAA were:
Chi - 2.18
LAK - 2.05
Chi - 2.02
LAK - 2.07
BOS - 2.30

I don't disagree.

 

[Future]

lol, clearly you haven't been watching any Stars games. We (Stars fans) have a lot to be optimistic about. Right now, player for player we probably are the most talented team in the NHL.

This is what I'm talking about with blindly optimistic.

Your D corps is nowhere near the top teams and neither Lehtonen nor Niemi is a top 10 goalie. There is little scoring depth outside of the top 6, and half of that group is over 30. Jamie Benn is great, but he's not going to have a shooting percentage of 35 when the season ends, great scorers peak at like 20%. Demers isn't going to have 25+ goals like he's pacing.

 

[YosemiteSam]

This is what I'm talking about with blindly optimistic.

Your D corps is nowhere near the top teams and neither Lehtonen nor Niemi is a top 10 goalie. There is little scoring depth outside of the top 6, and half of that group is over 30. Jamie Benn is great, but he's not going to have a shooting percentage of 35 when the season ends, great scorers peak at like 20%. Demers isn't going to have 25+ goals like he's pacing.

You are like so many other fantasy fans. Only the stats matter to you. Not what is actually happening on the ice.

When it comes to the Stars is the fact that you bring up Demers as a defensemen when he is maybe the 4th best on the team. You didn't on the other hand mention John Klingberg (true #1 defensemen and #3 in scoring defensemen) Alex Goligoski who is considered one of the best two-way defensemen in the league, then we also have 2-time Stanley Cup champion defensemen Johnny Oduya.

Lets see, you mentioned the #1 scorer in the league, but no mention of the #2 scorer Tyler Seguin. You also didn't mention Patrick Sharp, Jason Spezza (also a #1 center in this league), Ales Hemsky, Valeri Nichushkin, or current RotY candidate Mattias Janmark.

You know the Stars have 7 of the top 100 scoring players in the league?

• Jamie Benn #1
• Tyler Seguin #2
• John Klingberg #21
• Jason Spezza #40
• Patrick Sharp #79
• Jason Demers #97
• Ales Hemsky #99

The Stars are also currently #2 in the league. Second only to the Canadiens who were off to an unheard of start, but have started to come back to reality. The Stars goals against as I said was the output of only two games. The only two games they lost. Breakdowns happen to everyone. The deal is you have to limit them and the Stars are showing they can do that. They are still coming together as a team. Unless something really bad happens, I promise you. That 2.73 GAA will vanish before we make it to the half way point. The Stars will not continue to give up 6 goals in two games out of every eleven.

Stars are also #2 on the power play and #15 on the penalty kill. The key to understanding special teams is to combine your PK% with your PowerPlay %. If it's over 100, you are doing very well. The Stars PK is 81.3%. Their PowerPlay is 26.3% for a total of 107.6%. That is a great number. The Stars also already have two shorthanded goals also!

Your Rangers are 87.9 PK and 14.3 PP for a 102.2% which is also good.

One thing you must understand is when you play such a wide open game, you will always give up more attempts because the game is faster. More attempts means in the end, more scores. With the Stars ability to score at the rate they do. A 2.00 GAA is not possible for ANY team. The Lightening who lost game seven of the Stanley Cup had a GAA of 2.57 last year. That's because they were the #1 scoring team in the league last year. Yet still, they almost beat the Blackhawks in seven games last year.

So your GAA not being 2.10 or whatever is not as telling as you might think. The Stars will lower theirs to probably around 2.40-2.50GAA this season. That is enough for them to win it all if they continue with the way they are playing now.

BTW, you are aware that Antti Niemi has won a Stanley Cup right?

Demers isn't going to have 25+ goals like he's pacing.

You're right, Demers won't, but Klingberg most likely will end up top 5 in scoring defensemen!

I just think you are suffering from Hockey Team Envy.

 

[Future]

You are like so many other fantasy fans. Only the stats matter to you. Not what is actually happening on the ice.

When it comes to the Stars is the fact that you bring up Demers as a defensemen when he is maybe the 4th best on the team. You didn't on the other hand mention John Klingberg (true #1 defensemen and #3 in scoring defensemen) Alex Goligoski who is considered one of the best two-way defensemen in the league, then we also have 2-time Stanley Cup champion defensemen Johnny Oduya.

Lets see, you mentioned the #1 scorer in the league, but no mention of the #2 scorer Tyler Seguin. You also didn't mention Patrick Sharp, Jason Spezza (also a #1 center in this league), Ales Hemsky, Valeri Nichushkin, or current RotY candidate Mattias Janmark.

You know the Stars have 7 of the top 100 scoring players in the league?

• Jamie Benn #1
• Tyler Seguin #2
• John Klingberg #21
• Jason Spezza #40
• Patrick Sharp #79
• Jason Demers #97
• Ales Hemsky #99

The Stars are also currently #2 in the league. Second only to the Canadiens who were off to an unheard of start, but have started to come back to reality. The Stars goals against as I said was the output of only two games. The only two games they lost. Breakdowns happen to everyone. The deal is you have to limit them and the Stars are showing they can do that. They are still coming together as a team. Unless something really bad happens, I promise you. That 2.73 GAA will vanish before we make it to the half way point. The Stars will not continue to give up 6 goals in two games out of every eleven.

Stars are also #2 on the power play and #15 on the penalty kill. The key to understanding special teams is to combine your PK% with your PowerPlay %. If it's over 100, you are doing very well. The Stars PK is 81.3%. Their PowerPlay is 26.3% for a total of 107.6%. That is a great number. The Stars also already have two shorthanded goals also!

Your Rangers are 87.9 PK and 14.3 PP for a 102.2% which is also good.

One thing you must understand is when you play such a wide open game, you will always give up more attempts because the game is faster. More attempts means in the end, more scores. With the Stars ability to score at the rate they do. A 2.00 GAA is not possible for ANY team. The Lightening who lost game seven of the Stanley Cup had a GAA of 2.57 last year. That's because they were the #1 scoring team in the league last year. Yet still, they almost beat the Blackhawks in seven games last year.

So your GAA not being 2.10 or whatever is not as telling as you might think. The Stars will lower theirs to probably around 2.40GAA this season. That is enough for them to win it all if they continue with the way they are playing now.

Ok couple things...you just made a whole post based on stats, so idk what the bolded is. I'm not a fantasy fan in any way, which is why I don't think the Stars are that good lol....

The point I'm making with the scoring is that it's unsustainable. Demers is pacing 27 goals. It's not going to happen, so I don't care where he's ranked now. Benn is shooting 35%, which is unheard of.

Janmark isn't even in the ROY discussion. Not even close. Nichuskin has 1 point in 9 games and Hemsky is playing 4th line minutes. You just badly overrate a lot of these players.

When you talk about breakdowns and goals against coming from two games...when the Blackhawks won the cup last year they gave up 6 goals twice all season. The Stars did it in 10 games against two terrible teams. Why you think the defense is just all of a sudden going to improve is beyond me.

My overall point is that a wide open style does not work in the playoffs.

 

[YosemiteSam]

My overall point is that a wide open style does not work in the playoffs.

What the hell ever. Tell the Tampa Bay Lightening that who took the Blackhawks to game seven last year in the Stanley Cup finals.

If you don't like the Stars, then **** of this thread.

 

[RastaRocket]

This is what I'm talking about with blindly optimistic.

Your D corps is nowhere near the top teams and neither Lehtonen nor Niemi is a top 10 goalie. There is little scoring depth outside of the top 6, and half of that group is over 30. Jamie Benn is great, but he's not going to have a shooting percentage of 35 when the season ends, great scorers peak at like 20%. Demers isn't going to have 25+ goals like he's pacing.

Disagree on scoring depth. We have a very good bottom 6. Definitely the least of my concerns. I agree with you on the defense part. We have some good pieces back there and in the system but I'd still like a lock down top line big body. With league average goaltending this team will win a lot of games.

 

[Future]

What the hell ever. Tell the Tampa Bay Lightening that who took the Blackhawks to game seven last year in the Stanley Cup finals.

If you don't like the Stars, then **** of this thread.

It only went 6 and Tampa doesn't play a wide open game at all.

 

[YosemiteSam]

It only went 6 and Tampa doesn't play a wide open game at all.

You're on DRUGS! ****!

 

[YosemiteSam]

That was a crappy game last night. They were so much better than the Maple Leafs, yet Reimer was playing out of his mind. You've got to give him credit. He played an incredible game last night.

The other thing is the Maple Leafs were cheating lol. I mean I've seen players hold and stuff, but what they were doing it at a ridiculous rate and the refs were letting them get away with that BS.

I bet the Stars are causing a **** storm today with the league about that.

 

[RastaRocket]

Can't come back from deficits every night. Gave up good chances and they capitalized. They will learn from it and the leafs did the same to us last season. They played a very good game overall but it shows you a couple of mistakes will bury you.

 

[RastaRocket]

It only went 6 and Tampa doesn't play a wide open game at all.

Stars aren't as wide open as you make it seem. They like to set up and hold possesion, it's not a bunch of quick rush attacks. Take last night for example, they held 62% of possesion I believe.

 

[Future]

Stars aren't as wide open as you make it seem. They like to set up and hold possesion, it's not a bunch of quick rush attacks. Take last night for example, they held 62% of possesion I believe.

I'm not the one who said they play wide open....they're just not good defensively, and that includes a lot of their forwards.

With all of their skill, they're going to have good possession numbers, think they're in the top 5 in CF% right now. But that only matters when you aren't consistently giving up good chances in your own end, but they do.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The Stars got dominated in the first and Kari looked like garbage, then the Stars flicked the switch and Boston got BUSHWACKED! Kari turned into superman, and the Stars crushed the Bruins. Seguin made the entire city of Boston cry with that hat trick ROFL.

I don't generally gloat, but they were incredibly unfair to Tyler. You could see the seriousness on Seguin's faceduring this game. He was going to make them pay and that is exactly what he did.

Go Stars!