2018: 23 years old; 4 years; 60 Million; 45 GTD

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  1. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry wasn't the defense above average, the division weak and the qb in the MVP discussion?

    Yes. Yes. And Yes.

    But yeah let's put it all on the most fungible position in football.
     
  2. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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  3. Hadenough

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    The Cowboys will more than likely sign Zeke for a few reasons.

    1. 15 mil is much cheaper than any top WR.

    2. They spent the #4 pick in the draft on him and it would make the front office look stupid to just let him walk.

    3. The Cowboys are a team that relies on the RB and the addition of Pollard will help in distributing less carries to Zeke. Less carries can actually make Zeke more effective.

    4. The most important reason they sign Zeke is because he is a RB that defensive coordinators have to game plan for and that takes pressure off of Dak.
     
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  4. jday

    jday Well-Known Member

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    I knew you would eventually come to your senses....;)
     
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  5. dckid

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    I guess we have reached an impasse. The best thing we should do in real life as well as in football. Be honest with yourself. The Cowboys know Dak's shortcomings, its sad that some fans do not. He is a system QB, he will never be truly elite.
     
  6. dckid

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    Recently heard Albert Breer on the Dual Threat podcast talk about how the Rams made a big mistake signing Gurley two years before they had to. Albert also brought up a conversation he had with Stephen Jones in regards to Zeke and drafting him at 4. Stephen Jones effectively said we know that Zeke's most productive years will be under his rookie contract. Think about that for a second. The Cowboys are not stupid they know paying a RB which is the most replaceable position in football. Zeke was drafted to extend Romo's career because the team believed they were a great runner away from competing. Luckily Dak fell into our laps after Romo got injured vs Seattle. If that does not happen we are in a full rebuild. The most regretful part of the last three years has been the teams lack of 'going for it". I wish we had gone out like the Eagles or Bears and taken a chance to improve at the margins to reach the championship game. Some of that is obviously coaching, some of it is not being able to get a stop/ or a score. It's a game of inches as they say.
     
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  7. mattjames2010

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    This isn't "opinion", this is basic math. Again, if Sanders averaged 5.0 over a 10 year career, the argument must be that he was averaging homeruns or long runs in nearly every game to counter these massive yardage losses.

    And yet again, the "links" are referencing something I have yet to find an original source on. This is the second time this week where someone on here tried to force the burden of proof on me when they make the claim. I'm not the one who made the claim that Barry Sanders led all RBs in history with yards lost. I'm asking for the original source.

    And before you use NFL.com as the end-all, remember they used to push the myth that Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 40 even though that was completely bunk.
     
  8. Kaiser

    Kaiser Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    You are a hole and you are in this argument.

    Zeke was the best player in that draft and RB was a position of need. You were wrong about it being the best use of the draft choice and you still are.

    And you need to look up what "fungible" means if you are going to use the word. It means an exchange of equal assets and putting Cooper Rush in the game for Tom Brady doesn't mean QBs are fungible. There were only three RBs in the NFL with 2000 all purpose yards last year and they were all top ten picks.
     
  9. Kaiser

    Kaiser Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Rob Phillips on DC.com this morning:

    That said, Ezekiel Elliott is a transcendent talent and has been worth every bit the fourth overall selection in 2016.
     
  10. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    Grow up.

    Disagree. We are a much better team with Ramsey (among others) and no Zeke. We'd still have an upper echelon rushing attack without Zeke. We'd be immeasurably better in the secondary with Ramsey though.

    You should consult a dictionary. This is embarrassing.
     
  11. Kaiser

    Kaiser Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    It is embarrassing, you post like a teenage girl having a tantrum.
     
  12. Kaiser

    Kaiser Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Not that anyone remembers why The Tomato started this thread but Gurley always had injury concerns. This is from Dane Brugler's 2015 draft guide about Gurley:


    BACKGROUND:

    Despite missing three games and parts of others due to injuries, Gurley again led the Bulldogs in rushing as a sophomore in 2013 with 989 yards and finished third in receiving with a career-high 37 catches, earning Second Team All-SEC honors.

    Gurley returned for the Auburn game and rushed for 138 yards against the Tigers, but injured his left knee late in the game, ending his season. He had successful ACL surgery on Nov. 25, but to no surprise, left school early to enter the 2015 NFL Draft.


    SUMMARY: Gurley is the best running back talent in the 2015 draft class and has the skill-set to carry an offense and be the type of talent defensive coordinators must gameplan for.

    He compares favorably to a blend of Marshawn Lynch and Fred Taylor and is one of the top-10 talents in the 2015 draft class, but the durability question hurts his draft value and is the only concern that could keep him from being one of the NFL’s best all-around backs.
     
  13. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    Grow up.

    No seriously, grow up.

    Pretending that injury risk is Gurley specific rather than being germane to the running back position writ large is embarrassing but lacking standing to argue rationally your bad faith is concomitant.
     
  14. Kaiser

    Kaiser Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    LOL! A teenage girl with a thesaurus, I stand corrected!!
     
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  15. xwalker

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    My point is that the stats don't indicate a huge problem with Gurley.

    Your thread is based on conjecture by the media.
    • Ian Rapoport: Some history of click-bait type reporting.

    Gurley was banged up last season and limited in the playoffs; however...
    • He played more snaps in the playoffs than C.J. Anderson.
    • He played about the same regular season snaps/game as Zeke.
    • He has not been injury prone in his NFL career.

    I added more info specific to the Rams and Gurley in my RB thread:

    https://cowboyszone.com/threads/2018-rb-stats.434422/#post-9237370

    https://cowboyszone.com/threads/2018-rb-stats.434422/#post-9237369
     
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  16. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    First, i'll say....

    that C.J. Anderson touched the ball a massive 44% more than Gurley did in the postseason.

    Second, I'll say...

    Gurley playing as many snaps as Zeke isn't exactly encouraging.

    Third, I'll.....

    say my argument is not solely injury risk with RBs as I have detailed but it is a significant risk that impacts those we label as injury prone and those we do not (a big point that people ignore)

    Finally, I'll just repeat...

    Pretending that injury risk is Gurley specific rather than being germane to the running back position writ large is embarrassing but lacking standing to argue rationally your bad faith is concomitant.
     
  17. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    Grow up.
     
  18. xwalker

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    that C.J. Anderson touched the ball a massive 44% more than Gurley did in the postseason.

    Gurley played more snaps 120 vs 93.
    • Rams passed more with Gurley in the game.
    • They prefer Gurley as receiver/route-runner and pass blocker.
    • Anderson acquired prior to game 15. Limited time in scheme.
    • RBs get less touches on receiving plays.
    • Gurley used more as receiver. RBs get less touches as receivers than as rushers.

    Gurley playing as many snaps as Zeke isn't exactly encouraging.
    Zeke played 90% of the snaps in the regular season. Why is that "not encouraging" ?


    say my argument is not solely injury risk with RBs as I have detailed but it is a significant risk that impacts those we label as injury prone and those we do not (a big point that people ignore)
    Pretending that injury risk is Gurley specific rather than being germane to the running back position writ large is embarrassing but lacking standing to argue rationally your bad faith is concomitant.

    I responded to your OP.
    • Rams RB Todd Gurley's days of being 'straight-up, every-down bell cow are probably over
      • The point?
      • RB is the most wasteful position to invest heavily in. Period.
      • The Rams are 1 year into a new deal for Gurley and in their heart of hearts they're counting down the days until 2022 when they can get out from under the it.
    I made no claims regarding injury risks.

    My reply was specific to Gurley (NOT Zeke) because you claimed that Gurley will now be relegated to part-time, also-ran type status.

    With regards to Zeke, the Cowboys have him under contract for 2 more years.
    • He is currently 23 years old.
    • Many media and bloggers have analyzed the RB position relative to age.
    • History strongly points to age 28 as the beginning of decline for RBs on average.
     
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  19. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    In a conversation in part about the health of a RB what's more important the amount of times they touch the ball or the amount of times they are in for a snap but don't?

    The 300 attempts warning sign that has fairly accurately predicted a decline in future season productivity is about touches and not snaps for a reason.




    In the context of RBs historically breaking down with high usage....this should be self evident.


    If you'd like to argue that Gurley's usage won't be down from the last two years....well good luck?
     
  20. Kaiser

    Kaiser Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Up your game, Brittney. Post like an adult and you will get replies befitting an adult.
     

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