2024 QBs

[morat1959]

Yes you did. You just won't admit that you're wrong on how to approach it.

I know that folks like you are allergic to things like fact and reason, but you are entirely wrong.

And you won’t admit we’ll never win a SB with Dak at QB. Your logic is all based on we will or you like participation trophies.

 

[Preoccupied]

Agreed.

Killed it

Outta here


Nice read while it lasted BDC

 

[McMicah]

The Cowboys should trade their entire draft to move up as high as possible to get the one they want.

A) Dak needs the competition and B) I don't want Dak getting an extension.

Draft his replacement and let's move on with life.

^^ This. I just want to see ANY premier qb talent pushing Dak. Without Pollard, Jerry would probably still think Zeke is elite. I don’t think Dak is bad, but I believe he has benefited from having a great team around him his whole career. They will likely have a top 5 offense and defense this year. If Dak can’t get to at least an NFC championship, they should be done

 

[McMicah]

Doesn't matter. It's the ideology that is flawed.

You can't say "we're trying to win now" and then take a developmental player in the first round. Totally conflicting.

Question for you: When the season was on the line, who played better as an individual: 7th round rookie Brock Purdy or Dak Prescott? ….It wasn’t even close man.

I’ll give Dak this year with this insanely good roster. If he doesn’t at least get to an NFC Championship, bye bye.

 

[gtb1943]

QBs that are not elite who have won SBs in the last ten years :
Flacco
Wilson
Foles
Stafford

If the stars align it can happen with Dak.

But EACH one of those QBs had a TOP D.

Our D is not there but has the potential. And frankly the D more than Dak will be responsible if we manage to win a SB with him at QB.

Now I do NOT want him extended; but at the same time figure its coming. It is what it is.

 

[Vinnie2u]

A good QB can't win a Superbowl on his own. But a bad one won't get you invited to the party..

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Question for you: When the season was on the line, who played better as an individual: 7th round rookie Brock Purdy or Dak Prescott? ….It wasn’t even close man.

I’ll give Dak this year with this insanely good roster. If he doesn’t at least get to an NFC Championship, bye bye.

It's not like Purdy was good.

He didn't have to do anything, and he didn't.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

What’s wrong with “rebuilding”? 28 years of not doing it is why we are stuck in mediocrity.

The idea that the Cowboys haven't rebuilt in 28 years is ridiculous.

 

[morat1959]

The idea that the Cowboys haven't rebuilt in 28 years is ridiculous.

You have to bottom out before you rebuild. JJ and his cronies have you convinced they have because you settle for mediocrity not championships.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Drafting a QB in the first round next year would be so stupid.

If you do that, you might as well trade everybody, because it means you're rebuilding.

I don't think it's possible for me to disagree with that post more than any other post I've read in a very long time.

This roster is built for a championship except for at QB. If the Cowboys trade up and get a QB in the 1st next year, why does that mean your rebuilding?

Plug and play and let's try with a different QB. Continuing to ride with a QB who can't deliver a championship (and paying him top 5 or worse, top 3 QB money) is insane.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I don't think it's possible for me to disagree with that post more than any other post I've read in a very long time.

This roster is built for a championship except for at QB. If the Cowboys trade up and get a QB in the 1st next year, why does that mean your rebuilding?

Plug and play and let's try with a different QB. Continuing to ride with a QB who can't deliver a championship (and paying him top 5 or worse, top 3 QB money) is insane.

You're not upgrading from Dak.

And again, if you let him go, you're going to be paying MORE the next two years at the QB position because of the dead money.

You are just entirely wrong.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

You have to bottom out before you rebuild. JJ and his cronies have you convinced they have because you settle for mediocrity not championships.

This is stupid.

Rebuilding with a 12-5 roster is dumb.

 

[McMicah]

It's not like Purdy was good.

He didn't have to do anything, and he didn't.

You’re right he did nothing. And yet, in doing nothing he had a higher QBR, completion percentage, passing yards, and yards per completion than Dak with NO interceptions despite being pressured on 48.5% of passes (season high).

Dak was worse in every single category despite far more throwing attempts and threw 2 interceptions.

So if Brock did nothing and beat Dak in every statistical category, what does that say about Dak? Reminder that this was a 7th round Rookie.

 

[morat1959]

This is stupid.

Rebuilding with a 12-5 roster is dumb.

Jerry love’s you.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You're not upgrading from Dak.

How do you know that?

At the least you would be drafting a QB with a higher rating than Dak had.

Make Dak a post June 1st cut next year like they did with Zeke this year. Give a rookie one year.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

How do you know that?

At the least you would be drafting a QB with a higher rating than Dak had.

Make Dak a post June 1st cut next year like they did with Zeke this year. Give a rookie one year.

Because the number of first-year quarterbacks who have come out in the last 15 years to be more prolific than Dak right away is 0. It's a 50-50 shot if a first-round QB turns into a starter, let alone a prolific one.

You can't give a rookie one year, they get 5. The math is very simple if you cut Dak after this year, even as a post June 1. Dak's cap hit in 2024 and 2025 is $25.4m. Assuming a rookie is taken at #10 overall, the cap hit will be ~$4m (J. Fields 3.4, G Wilson 3.7). So, you're effectively spending $30m against the cap on the quarterback position - that's significantly more than Dak has ever counted against the cap and doesn't give you any savings.

In your scenario, you're not getting any cap savings, you've got maybe a 25% chance to get a QB as good as Dak in the first two years, AND you're giving up a ton of draft capital to move up high enough to get a blue chip type of prospect. That only makes sense if you're rebuilding, not trying to win now.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

You’re right he did nothing. And yet, in doing nothing he had a higher QBR, completion percentage, passing yards, and yards per completion than Dak with NO interceptions despite being pressured on 48.5% of passes (season high).

Dak was worse in every single category despite far more throwing attempts and threw 2 interceptions.

So if Brock did nothing and beat Dak in every statistical category, what does that say about Dak? Reminder that this was a 7th round Rookie.

Ok Dak wasn't good against the 49ers. That doesn't mean that Purdy is better.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Jerry love’s you.

Good one. Shady McCoy loves you, I'm sure.

 

[morat1959]

Because the number of first-year quarterbacks who have come out in the last 15 years to be more prolific than Dak right away is 0. It's a 50-50 shot if a first-round QB turns into a starter, let alone a prolific one.

You can't give a rookie one year, they get 5. The math is very simple if you cut Dak after this year, even as a post June 1. Dak's cap hit in 2024 and 2025 is $25.4m. Assuming a rookie is taken at #10 overall, the cap hit will be ~$4m (J. Fields 3.4, G Wilson 3.7). So, you're effectively spending $30m against the cap on the quarterback position - that's significantly more than Dak has ever counted against the cap and doesn't give you any savings.

In your scenario, you're not getting any cap savings, you've got maybe a 25% chance to get a QB as good as Dak in the first two years, AND you're giving up a ton of draft capital to move up high enough to get a blue chip type of prospect. That only makes sense if you're rebuilding, not trying to win now.

No team with Dak as the starting QB will ever win a SB…..rebuild or not.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Because the number of first-year quarterbacks who have come out in the last 15 years to be more prolific than Dak right away is 0. It's a 50-50 shot if a first-round QB turns into a starter, let alone a prolific one.

You can't give a rookie one year, they get 5. The math is very simple if you cut Dak after this year, even as a post June 1. Dak's cap hit in 2024 and 2025 is $25.4m. Assuming a rookie is taken at #10 overall, the cap hit will be ~$4m (J. Fields 3.4, G Wilson 3.7). So, you're effectively spending $30m against the cap on the quarterback position - that's significantly more than Dak has ever counted against the cap and doesn't give you any savings.

In your scenario, you're not getting any cap savings, you've got maybe a 25% chance to get a QB as good as Dak in the first two years, AND you're giving up a ton of draft capital to move up high enough to get a blue chip type of prospect. That only makes sense if you're rebuilding, not trying to win now.

Remember the cap is going up by approx $20M or more next year.

Draft picks mean nothing if you extend a QB who can't win a super bowl. That's just a waste of money and time. I'm tired of waiting. Let's move on. If it works, great. If it doesn't, we didn't lose anything at all. At least it won't be Dak, Dak, Dak every day for the next few years. I'll take the 25% chance you give. It's better than the 0% you get with Dak.