2nd and 4

[8FOR!3]

Yeah, because it's unimaginable that McFadden could get 140 yards rushing against players that will be scattered across the league next year or on the bench.

In fantasy land, Zeke just put up a 140 yard game against the 85 bears I guess.

I never said he's did it against a great defense, but there's other poor defenses in the NFL and after three weeks only one other running back has surpassed 140 yards so I think that's at least a little impressive. The whole Eagles team couldn't run the ball like that against the Bears in week 2 and week 1 Lamar Miller put up 106 yards on 28 carries at 3.8 yards per carry. Zeke had 2 more carries and averaged an extra yard per carry. Now none of that is an end all be all, but I think he clearly passes the eye test over McFadden. He's better in short yardage situations, he's a better athlete, he's a more physical runner. Zeke has 2 rushing touchdowns 2 weeks in and McFadden had 3 playing every game last season and getting 240 carries. I feel like there's a lot more to be said, but I would think any scout in football would say far and beyond that Zeke did things in that game that McFadden isn't capable of being. Also McFadden had a pretty successful season last year but there's a reason why teams aren't offering the kitchen sink for him and why Zeke was always going to be a first round pick. McFadden impressed a lot of people last year but I think his weaknesses were clear and Zeke is an important upgrade to our offense.

 

[DABOYZ]

You are here thinking I am a fan of McFadden, I'm not. Which tells you what I think about Zeke. He's simply not producing like a top 5 pick.

And I'll "cry" and criticize whoever I damn well please and if you want it to stop, you better provide a better counter-argument. I'll give you another chance.

No need to argue, Zeke's play will speak for itself. Now you can proceed with the crybaby criticisms. Misery loves company, sorry I can't help you with that. Go Zeke!

 

[Doomsday101]

You are here thinking I am a fan of McFadden, I'm not. Which tells you what I think about Zeke. He's simply not producing like a top 5 pick.

And I'll "cry" and criticize whoever I damn well please and if you want it to stop, you better provide a better counter-argument. I'll give you another chance.

Compared to the other 4 drafted in this draft I would say Zeke is playing better. Wentz and Zeke both are playing good ball can't say the same about Goff or Jalen Smith and will not even including Bosa. So what is Zeke supposed to perform like? after 3 games his numbers are as good as Adrian Peterson was at the same stage in his career.

 

[Awakened]

McFadden had 4 runs over 30 yards, 1 over 50, and 6 over 20. That was on pace last year to lead the league on long runs. "No burst" - As always, you're wrong. Stop trying.

"He doesn't catch the ball as well" - What the hell has Zeke done in the passing game? He had a few nice catches, but nothing spectacular. McFadden came to Dallas not giving up a sack in pass protection, his pass protection was just fine.

So what you have is, he hurdled over someone. Oh well ****, I guess we just figured out what makes an RB top 5.

Serious question: Why is it important to you to prove that Zeke is nothing special? I just don't understand the motivation.

 

[bayeslife]

Oh, good Lord.

McFadden has no where near that burst. He doesn't run nearly that tough. He doesn't hurdle guys (two different runs). He doesn't get to the corner like that. He doesn't pass protect as well. He doesn't catch the ball as well.

Zeke is literally better at everything than McFadden.

It's a night and day difference but people have their biases

 

[8FOR!3]

Compared to the other 4 drafted in this draft I would say Zeke is playing better. Wentz and Zeke both are playing good ball can't say the same about Goff or Jalen Smith and will not even including Bosa. So what is Zeke supposed to perform like? after 3 games his numbers are as good as Adrian Peterson was at the same stage in his career.

This is one other point I'd make. The only person I think people would have wanted at #4 was Ramsey and he sure hasn't shown to be any better. Out of all top 5 picks I'd say Zeke is sitting at #2 today and only because Carson Wentz has been exceptional throughout the first three weeks but he wasn't available to us and would have come for a steep price.

 

[rynochop]

Zeke had almost no preseason reps. His first game was terrible. Last week was a bit better. Last night was almost a buck fifty and without Tyron. Have some patience.

Nope, nope, your expectations are too low. I need Barry Sanders every play or it's a wasted pic that could have been spent on a corner that doesn't have to be great

 

[mattjames2010]

I never said he's did it against a great defense, but there's other poor defenses in the NFL and after three weeks only one other running back has surpassed 140 yards so I think that's at least a little impressive. The whole Eagles team couldn't run the ball like that against the Bears in week 2 and week 1 Lamar Miller put up 106 yards on 28 carries at 3.8 yards per carry. Zeke had 2 more carries and averaged an extra yard per carry. Now none of that is an end all be all, but I think he clearly passes the eye test over McFadden. He's better in short yardage situations, he's a better athlete, he's a more physical runner. Zeke has 2 rushing touchdowns 2 weeks in and McFadden had 3 playing every game last season and getting 240 carries. I feel like there's a lot more to be said, but I would think any scout in football would say far and beyond that Zeke did things in that game that McFadden isn't capable of being. Also McFadden had a pretty successful season last year but there's a reason why teams aren't offering the kitchen sink for him and why Zeke was always going to be a first round pick. McFadden impressed a lot of people last year but I think his weaknesses were clear and Zeke is an important upgrade to our offense.

The Eagles team was going up against a slightly better Bears D, we went up against scrubs. Did you not see their injury list, they started 4 rookies on defense yesterday.

What did Zeke do yesterday that McFadden couldn't? Hurdling a defender? I'm not impressed with that, that's highlight fodder for casual fans. They aren't offering the kitchen sink for McFadden because 1. He's average. 2. He's 29. 3. He's injury prone. Which makes me dislike Zeke even more since he's not flashing like he should be.

I'm not looking for Zeke to pad his stats, I'm looking for big production against good/great run defenses like Murray did in 2014, who was a third round pick. I don't know the kind of expectations some of you have for Zeke, but a top 5 pick to me says "Adrian Peterson, elite level RB play" - So far, he hasn't done a single thing that screams special.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is one other point I'd make. The only person I think people would have wanted at #4 was Ramsey and he sure hasn't shown to be any better. Out of all top 5 picks I'd say Zeke is sitting at #2 today and only because Carson Wentz has been exceptional throughout the first three weeks but he wasn't available to us and would have come for a steep price.

I say did not say that to slam Jalen Smith or any other player but the fact is they have played 3 games. People are coming down on Zeke is laughable after 3 fricken games. I'm sure their picks which this is what this is about, guys who wanted to draft someone else are now boo hooing over a RB who right now has more yards in his 1st 3 games than Adrian Peterson had in his 1st 3 games. Thus far we have people complaining that Zeke was making the 1st down gesture and how he is not playing up to the level yet what is the level he is supposed to play at after 3 games?

It is the same people who complain about every damn thing with the Cowboys.

 

[mattjames2010]

Serious question: Why is it important to you to prove that Zeke is nothing special? I just don't understand the motivation.

It's important to me that Zeke shows he's special since we took him with the top 5 pick and there is no justifiable reason for doing so unless you believe that player could go on to be somebody special.

The "motivation" comes from people talking up a 140 yard rushing performance against a team fielding scrubs and burger flippers and thinking this now justifies a top 5 pick. Expectations are high for Zeke for good reason, get back to me when he's dominating great rushing defenses. Until then, I'm seeing a second or third round talent and we wasted a premium pick.

 

[DABOYZ]

This goes deeper than the #4 pick. Must still be salty from that *** kicking Zeke and the Buckeyes laid on Bama 2 years ago. lol

 

[Awakened]

It's important to me that Zeke shows he's special since we took him with the top 5 pick and there is no justifiable reason for doing so unless you believe that player could go on to be somebody special.

The "motivation" comes from people talking up a 140 yard rushing performance against a team fielding scrubs and burger flippers and thinking this now justifies a top 5 pick. Expectations are high for Zeke for good reason, get back to me when he's dominating great rushing defenses. Until then, I'm seeing a second or third round talent and we wasted a premium pick.

Oh good Lord. Ain't you got better things to get all worked up about?

 

[revospeed]

If only we were going up against the Bears D every week. What did Zeke do last night that is anything we didn't see from McFadden last year? We got McFadden for pennies, we gave up a premium pick for Zeke.

Who would you have taken at 4? Ramsey? His 14 tackles and no INTs? There are a bunch of corners in the NFL that you could pay pennies to do that and not give up a premium pick.

 

[8FOR!3]

The Eagles team was going up against a slightly better Bears D, we went up against scrubs. Did you not see their injury list, they started 4 rookies on defense yesterday.

What did Zeke do yesterday that McFadden couldn't? Hurdling a defender? I'm not impressed with that, that's highlight fodder for casual fans. They aren't offering the kitchen sink for McFadden because 1. He's average. 2. He's 29. 3. He's injury prone. Which makes me dislike Zeke even more since he's not flashing like he should be.

I'm not looking for Zeke to pad his stats, I'm looking for big production against good/great run defenses like Murray did in 2014, who was a third round pick. I don't know the kind of expectations some of you have for Zeke, but a top 5 pick to me says "Adrian Peterson, elite level RB play" - So far, he hasn't done a single thing that screams special.

What else about him are you looking for? He averaged 5 yards a carry, had 140 yards, had the highlight reel plays, has 2 touchdowns in 3 games, has speed to get to the outside that DMC and Murray don't have, is big and physical, and picks up the tough yards. I don't know what he's missing without being nitpicky. He's played in three games and progressively gotten better in each of them.

 

[mattjames2010]

Who would you have taken at 4? Ramsey? His 14 tackles and no INTs? There are a bunch of corners in the NFL that you could pay pennies to do that and not give up a premium pick.

Bad comparison is bad.

One is transitioning to the NFL at corner, the other is RB. Like even our coaches said, it's not hard to transition to RB. Also, Ramsey had a nice little deflection that ended up as an INT yesterday that should have won the game. But you know, it's the Jags and all that.

CB with great upside > RB with great upside

 

[Doomsday101]

It's important to me that Zeke shows he's special since we took him with the top 5 pick and there is no justifiable reason for doing so unless you believe that player could go on to be somebody special.

The "motivation" comes from people talking up a 140 yard rushing performance against a team fielding scrubs and burger flippers and thinking this now justifies a top 5 pick. Expectations are high for Zeke for good reason, get back to me when he's dominating great rushing defenses. Until then, I'm seeing a second or third round talent and we wasted a premium pick.

Well then none of the players in this draft were worth a top 5. Please save me the BS about the Bears Dallas played without Tyron Smith in the game and Collins for a much of the game and yet Zeke still performed. Funny when Dallas had injuries they were no excuse yet Bears have one? LOL

 

[Doomsday101]

Bad comparison is bad.

One is transitioning to the NFL at corner, the other is RB. Like even our coaches said, it's not hard to transition to RB. Also, Ramsey had a nice little deflection that ended up as an INT yesterday that should have won the game. But you know, it's the Jags and all that.

CB with great upside > RB with great upside

Bad Comparison? He was a 6th overall choice he is suppose to go out and play like a HOF or is that just Cowboy players?

 

[revospeed]

Bad comparison is bad.

One is transitioning to the NFL at corner, the other is RB. Like even our coaches said, it's not hard to transition to RB. Also, Ramsey had a nice little deflection that ended up as an INT yesterday that should have won the game. But you know, it's the Jags and all that.

CB with great upside > RB with great upside

Ha, you play up a deflection by Ramsey but downplay everything Zeke has done and even ignore that Zeke has the third most rushing yards in the league. Ramsey was also part of the secondary that gave up 4 TDs to Rivers and then talked smack to Steve Smith after Smith caught eight balls on him. Please. Elliott has looked better than Ramsey so far.

And it's not a bad comparison. Who says CBs are more valuable? You take the player you think can help you the most. It's that kind of thinking that makes people give up two picks to draft Morris Claiborne.

 

[mattjames2010]

What else about him are you looking for? He averaged 5 yards a carry, had 140 yards, had the highlight reel plays, has 2 touchdowns in 3 games, has speed to get to the outside that DMC and Murray don't have, is big and physical, and picks up the tough yards. I don't know what he's missing without being nitpicky. He's played in three games and progressively gotten better in each of them.

How many tackles has this guy broke? How many players has he made miss? Even Collinsworth stated yesterday, he missed a cut where he could have broke a big one. He did the same in the first game where he could have cut and hit a huge hole Free made for him, he missed it, and instead looked for contact.

Watch his college film, where is that player who used to shrug off defenders, made himself look like he was slippery. Where are those cuts in the open field? The most positive I can say about him is, he's really good in short yardage. That's valuable yes, but it's not top 5 worthy.

About the only positive you can about this game is that this may have gotten his confidence up after his crap performance against the Commanders last week.

This was a third round RB in his first start

 

[mattjames2010]

Bad Comparison? He was a 6th overall choice he is suppose to go out and play like a HOF or is that just Cowboy players?

And you didn't read my post.

The important part: One is the CB position, the other is the RB position. I will repeat: One is the CB position, the other is the RB position

One has a higher learning curve, the other is plug and play. If Ramsey was here and "struggling", I wouldn't criticize him as heavily. The same as I didn't with Mo his first season.