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[mattjames2010]

Ha, you play up a deflection by Ramsey but downplay everything Zeke has done and even ignore that Zeke has the third most rushing yards in the league. Ramsey was also part of the secondary that gave up 4 TDs to Rivers and then talked smack to Steve Smith after Smith caught eight balls on him. Please. Elliott has looked better than Ramsey so far.

And it's not a bad comparison. Who says CBs are more valuable? You take the player you think can help you the most. It's that kind of thinking that makes people give up two picks to draft Morris Claiborne.

Elliott SHOULD look better than Ramsey right now. He's an RB, easier to transition (I can't stress this enough!) and behind the best RB line in the league and has gone up against two teams with shoddy run blocking.

Ramsey has gone up against Rodgers, Rivers, and Flacco.

As I said: Comparison was bad.

 

[robbieruff]

For all the Zeke fans out there, did you get the sense last night that you were back in the Emmitt days of the 90's? Not that Zeke is Emmitt, but the game seemed like every series started as a 2nd down with four yards to go.

I was enjoying the marked improvement, to be sure...I also think prime Emmitt wudda gotten 180 against that D last night...Zeke doesn't appear to have the vision of an Emmitt yet, though he's obviously a more explosive athlete. I would also like to see us use more in the open field on dump offs to the flat. Emmitt killed teams with that and I think that would be a wonderful way to feature Zeke in this offense...to that end, I wouldn't mind him taking away Dunbar touches to make that happen.

 

[Blackspider214]

Meh. I'm still waiting for that "wow" play from Zeke.

This is the epitome of instant gratification society we live in today. Zeke hardly practiced any in camp. Took a total of 14 snaps in preseason. He's already showing he is improving as each game passes. He shows he can carry the same load Murray did.

It will come. Be patient.

 

[revospeed]

Elliott SHOULD look better than Ramsey right now. He's an RB, easier to transition (I can't stress this enough!) and behind the best RB line in the league and has gone up against two teams with shoddy run blocking.

Ramsey has gone up against Rodgers, Rivers, and Flacco.

As I said: Comparison was bad.

If you draft a CB that high, you should expect him to play like Marcus Peters did his rookie year, or Patrick Peterson or Joe Haden. So far, Ramsey has not played up to that level. It's not as big of a transition as you're making it out to be.

If you draft a RB that high, you want him to be up near the top of the league in rushing. Zeke is.

You're in the camp of "We should have taken Ramsey", but when someone points out that Zeke is playing better and making more of an impact, you hide behind, "You can't compare RBs to CBs!". If you're going to say we should have taken another player over Zeke, you can't disregard arguments that your player isn't playing well.

 

[8FOR!3]

How many tackles has this guy broke? How many players has he made miss? Even Collinsworth stated yesterday, he missed a cut where he could have broke a big one. He did the same in the first game where he could have cut and hit a huge hole Free made for him, he missed it, and instead looked for contact.

Watch his college film, where is that player who used to shrug off defenders, made himself look like he was slippery. Where are those cuts in the open field? The most positive I can say about him is, he's really good in short yardage. That's valuable yes, but it's not top 5 worthy.

About the only positive you can about this game is that this may have gotten his confidence up after his crap performance against the Commanders last week.

This was a third round RB in his first start

That might be the greatest first start out of any rookie running back in NFL history. I don't think that's a fair standard. Nobody's coming out and having 250 yard games. Might happen once in a year but it doesn't happen often.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm just happy to see that he can consistently beat LB to the edge. It's still obvious to me that the missed all of TC and is still rounding into form.

 

[mattjames2010]

This is the epitome of instant gratification society we live in today. Zeke hardly practiced any in camp. Took a total of 14 snaps in preseason. He's already showing he is improving as each game passes. He shows he can carry the same load Murray did.

It will come. Be patient.

Yes, he's steadily improving with each opponent who has a crappier and crappier defense.

 

[Doomsday101]

And you didn't read my post.

The important part: One is the CB position, the other is the RB position. I will repeat: One is the CB position, the other is the RB position

One has a higher learning curve, the other is plug and play. If Ramsey was here and "struggling", I wouldn't criticize him as heavily. The same as I didn't with Mo his first season.

I will repeat it comes down to production no matter what position. People want to complain over Zeke after 3 games? Come on give me a break bottom line is no matter what Zeke does his critics will complain because they did not want a RB. He was not what you wanted so of course you will be quick to slam him at every turn.

I'm not going to come down on Jalen Ramsey as I mentioned above but what I expect from high picks is instant starters who make an impact

 

[mattjames2010]

That might be the greatest first start out of any rookie running back in NFL history. I don't think that's a fair standard. Nobody's coming out and having 250 yard games. Might happen once in a year but it doesn't happen often.

It has nothing to do with total yards, it's how he was getting those yards. Hitting the hole hard, great vision immediately, running over defenders for big gains, hitting the outside. And we're here talking about Zeke because hurdled and puts his head down for a few extra yards now and then.

As I said, when I start to see him slipping through tackles, shrugging off defenders, juking players out of their shoes like he did in college I'll come back and say he was worth the fifth.

 

[mattjames2010]

I will repeat it comes down to production no matter what position. People want to complain over Zeke after 3 games? Come on give me a break bottom line is no matter what Zeke does his critics will complain because they did not want a RB. He was not what you wanted so of course you will be quick to slam him at every turn.

I'm not going to come down on Jalen Ramsey as I mentioned above but what I expect from high picks is instant starters who make an impact

Then you don't understand differences within the positions.

Ramsey has had to go up against Rodgers, Rivers, and Flacco
Elliott has gone up against the Giants D (Average game), Commanders game (Shoddy run blocking D, put the ball on the ground twice, one long run), and Bears D (Scrubs)

Context matters more.

 

[Kaiser]

As I said, when I start to see him slipping through tackles, shrugging off defenders, juking players out of their shoes like he did in college I'll come back and say he was worth the fifth.

So nothing he does against a lower ranked NFL defense gives him credit, he has to play against Southeastern Louisiana before you will give him his props.

Got it.

 

[mattjames2010]

If you draft a CB that high, you should expect him to play like Marcus Peters did his rookie year, or Patrick Peterson or Joe Haden. So far, Ramsey has not played up to that level. It's not as big of a transition as you're making it out to be.

If you draft a RB that high, you want him to be up near the top of the league in rushing. Zeke is.

You're in the camp of "We should have taken Ramsey", but when someone points out that Zeke is playing better and making more of an impact, you hide behind, "You can't compare RBs to CBs!". If you're going to say we should have taken another player over Zeke, you can't disregard arguments that your player isn't playing well.

Patrick Peterson? Patrick Peterson made his name in returning his rookie season and had a lot of rocky games, his best game came later in the season against Bryant. Marcus Peters, for as many turnovers he gets, is surrounded by defensive talent but also gets burned a ton. As for Haden, Haden's 2010 season, it took him until the second half to come alive where he had something like 5-6 games in a row where he had INTs.

A corner coming in immediately and producing like top talent is far more rare than RBs coming in and producing.

This comparison is so bad I'm done entertaining it.

 

[Kaiser]

You're in the camp of "We should have taken Ramsey", but when someone points out that Zeke is playing better and making more of an impact, you hide behind, "You can't compare RBs to CBs!". If you're going to say we should have taken another player over Zeke, you can't disregard arguments that your player isn't playing well.

And if a CB is playing pure man defense, Corner is one of the only positions that compares to RB because both are all on physical ability in those situations.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Meh. I'm still waiting for that "wow" play from Zeke.

Were you in the bathroom when he leaped 15 feet in the air, hurdling a defender for about a 20 yard run?

 

[mattjames2010]

So nothing he does against a lower ranked NFL defense gives him credit, he has to play against Southeastern Louisiana before you will give him his props.

Got it.

If he's doing this against top defenses by the end of the season, he will get my approval. Until then, as I said from the beginning, "meh".

 

[mattjames2010]

Were you in the bathroom when he leaped 15 feet in the air, hurdling a defender for about a 20 yard run?

Did you read where I stated hurdling a defender is not a "wow" play for me. Breaking/shedding tackles and vision at the line of scrimmage is more important to me. Not some stupid hurdle that he won't be doing weekly that gets the casual fans talking and will be implemented into Madden next season.

 

[ghst187]

I feel confident that Zekes time will come soon. Once teams start having respect Dak beating them over the top and deep, Zekes lanes are going to get bigger and his runs longer and his TDs plentiful and our wins numerous and hopefully, our Lombardi case, fuller.

 

[Kaiser]

If he's doing this against top defenses by the end of the season, he will get my approval.

I'm sure that keeps him up at night.

 

[Doomsday101]

Then you don't understand differences within the positions.

Ramsey has had to go up against Rodgers, Rivers, and Flacco
Elliott has gone up against the Giants D (Average game), Commanders game (Shoddy run blocking D, put the ball on the ground twice, one long run), and Bears D (Scrubs)

Context matters more.

Oh please save your you don't understand BS, Evidently you don't understand Peterson in Minn is a difference maker and right now after 3 games Zeke has produced more yards that AP did and RB are still impact players they make a difference. Acting as if only QB, CB and DE are worthy of top picks only shows how little you know about the game.

I take it you wanted Ramsey but Dallas did not listen to your wisdom. lol

 

[boysfanindc]

He definitely looked better yesterday, I guess it is a thing that he had 140 yards and it felt like he left yards on the field, hopefully he can only get better.