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Then you don't understand differences within the positions.

Ramsey has had to go up against Rodgers, Rivers, and Flacco
Elliott has gone up against the Giants D (Average game), Commanders game (Shoddy run blocking D, put the ball on the ground twice, one long run), and Bears D (Scrubs)

Context matters more.
And Jax got worked by all of them...................fail

EE hasn't even played well until last night and he is 2nd in the league....on pace for 1440 yds and 11 TDs

Can't believe I have to keep having this argument with Cowboy fans
 

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McFadden had 4 runs over 30 yards, 1 over 50, and 6 over 20. That was on pace last year to lead the league on long runs. "No burst" - As always, you're wrong. Stop trying.

"He doesn't catch the ball as well" - What the hell has Zeke done in the passing game? He had a few nice catches, but nothing spectacular. McFadden came to Dallas not giving up a sack in pass protection, his pass protection was just fine.

So what you have is, he hurdled over someone. Oh well ****, I guess we just figured out what makes an RB top 5.
Your a pleasant personality aren't you?
So much respect for opposing view points. It's a sign of insecurity.

I'm not even in this debate. Just an obvious observation. I can't imagine how you would react to an eagles, or skins fans.
 

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Oh please save your you don't understand BS, Evidently you don't understand Peterson in Minn is a difference maker and right now after 3 games Zeke has produced more yards that AP did and RB are still impact players they make a difference. Acting as if only QB, CB and DE are worthy of top picks only shows how little you know about the game.

Peterson is injured, champ. Secondly, he's 31 years old after having a HOF career.

Haha, what is with these piss poor arguments? Wow.
 

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Your a pleasant personality aren't you?
So much respect for opposing view points. It's a sign of insecurity.

I'm not even in this debate. Just an obvious observation. I can't imagine how you would react to an eagles, or skins fans.

I think it's time you stop attempting to comment on me personally and go for my arguments. If you can't, how about you hit the road?
 

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I think it's time you stop attempting to comment on me personally and go for my arguments. If you can't, how about you hit the road?
At least you are consistently unpleasant.
Your arguments are lost in your hateful demeanor.
 

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I still think it makes a huge difference for the running game if we can get that WR opposite Dez to make a few big plays.

T. Will made a play and then he fumbled it away.....(Hey, that rhymes).
 

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And Jax got worked by all of them...................fail

EE hasn't even played well until last night and he is 2nd in the league....on pace for 1440 yds and 11 TDs

Can't believe I have to keep having this argument with Cowboy fans
Look at who you are debating. The guy brings the atmosphere of this board down and kills any chance for a healthy debate.

Just read through this thread and look at how he reacts to anyone who doesn't agree with him.
 

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I think it's time you stop attempting to comment on me personally and go for my arguments. If you can't, how about you hit the road?

What argument? Top RB matter all you keep doing is making excuses for Ramsey, what has he done? Oh he is having to transition, other top CB did not have to transition they came into the league and make impacts. Deion come in and produced right away. Zeke was not my choice in the draft however I feel he was the safest pick and will produce at a high level in this league.
 

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Peterson is injured, champ. Secondly, he's 31 years old after having a HOF career.

Haha, what is with these piss poor arguments? Wow.


Wow talk about stupid, my comparison was Peterson as a rookie after 3 weeks of what he produced and that of Zeke after 3 games.

These are piss poor arguments because you did not want Zeke to begin with so now we get to hear you boo hooing about it no matter what he does. .He could win the league rushing title and help the Cowboys into post season and yet I doubt that would impress you at all because you made up your mind
 

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And Jax got worked by all of them...................fail

EE hasn't even played well until last night and he is 2nd in the league....on pace for 1440 yds and 11 TDs

Can't believe I have to keep having this argument with Cowboy fans

Again, using the "on pace" argument is for you ignore all context rather than break down his games. It doesn't even deserve to be entertained.

- Average against the Giants
- Fumbled twice against the Commanders, had a single big run against a shoddy Commanders defense
- Beat up on scrubs last night

Your "on pace" argument means little since we won't be playing a Bears D the rest of the season. How about putting a little more effort into your counters, what you just did was lazy.
 

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Wow talk about stupid, my comparison was Peterson as a rookie after 3 weeks of what he produced and that of Zeke after 3 games.

These are piss poor arguments because you did not want Zeke to begin with so now we get to hear you boo hooing about it no matter what he does. .He could win the league rushing title and help the Cowboys into post season and yet I doubt that would impress you at all because you made up your mind

Peterson his first 3 weeks

1. 19, 103 yards, 1 reception for a 60 yard TD
2. 20 for 66 yards
3. 25 for 102 yards. TD, 3 receptions and 48 yards

Peterson was wowing people from the start and it just got better and better for him as the season went on, going on to have a 200 yard game after the bye.
 

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Again, using the "on pace" argument is for you ignore all context rather than break down his games. It doesn't even deserve to be entertained.

- Average against the Giants
- Fumbled twice against the Commanders, had a single big run against a shoddy Commanders defense
- Beat up on scrubs last night

Your "on pace" argument means little since we won't be playing a Bears D the rest of the season. How about putting a little more effort into your counters, what you just did was lazy.
you obviously bet on CHI last night or are the biggest undercover troll in CZ history...get a grip
 

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Peterson his first 3 weeks

1. 19, 103 yards, 1 reception for a 60 yard TD
2. 20 for 66 yards
3. 25 for 102 yards. TD, 3 receptions and 48 yards

Peterson was wowing people from the start and it just got better and better for him as the season went on, going on to have a 200 yard game after the bye.

and after 3 weeks Peterson had 271 rushing and Zeke 274 and I fully expect him to continue to improve and develop
 

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you obviously bet on CHI last night or are the biggest undercover troll in CZ history...get a grip

I love these counters when people run out of points to make. "Yeah, yeah, well you're just a big mean Eagles fan!"

Like an elementary playground. Am I Mr. Meaniehead as well?
 

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Did you read where I stated hurdling a defender is not a "wow" play for me. Breaking/shedding tackles and vision at the line of scrimmage is more important to me. Not some stupid hurdle that he won't be doing weekly that gets the casual fans talking and will be implemented into Madden next season.

I get it and I was kind of joking. Of course he didn't leap 15 feet in the air but seriously how can you not be impressed with Zeke last night? He did run very efficiently. He bounced outside when necessary and took the 3-6 yard runs. He DID show vision at the LOS from my view. Not sure how you're not even mildly impressed by his performance last night.
 

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I love these counters when people run out of points to make. "Yeah, yeah, well you're just a big mean Eagles fan!"

Like an elementary playground. Am I Mr. Meaniehead as well?
who are you fighting........your criticisms of EE are completely off base
 

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I get it and I was kind of joking. Of course he didn't leap 15 feet in the air but seriously how can you not be impressed with Zeke last night? He did run very efficiently. He bounced outside when necessary and took the 3-6 yard runs. He DID show vision at the LOS from my view. Not sure how you're not even mildly impressed by his performance last night.

Wasn't impressed because it was the Bears D. If he dominates a defense like, say, Bengals I will be right there with all of you.
 
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