3rd for Quincy?

[Hostile]

Williams and Newman were going to start. It is HOPED Jones does. It will take a disaster, no TWO disasters, for Drew to start this year, and probably the hope of the season gone. No wonder fans aren't thinking along this lines.

A much better example then the defensive backs and runners and the enthusiasm for them would be the feeling about Palmer last year in Cincy, or the Pennington experience in NY, which I am very familiar with.

Sure, we were all psyched up about Chad and his potential, but realizing it takes longer for QBS to get ready than for other positions, we had to acquire some patience. And it paid off. But no one wanted to sacrifice a season and to cap it off, sabotage his development. Not even the biggest Vinnie critics.

Didn't mean Chad was not liked, loved, or valued.

He was drafted as the future, and he became it.

It just wasn't immediate.

You and Bluefin make me sad I'm leaving for a concert in 10 minutes. I'd like to keep this nice logical discussion going.

Is Losman going to start in Buffalo over Bledsoe? I don't think so. If you agree I am going to go make a username there and create a Jpeg of Losman and Jim Kelly. I bet no one will get upset by it.

You see how ridiculous the objections have become? Do we really need to be upset about sig lines and avatars?

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Therefore we must quash all hype of Henson. I don't get it.

Who laid down that rule? Who said "no hyping Henson"? And who on earth agreed to it?

What I don't get is how you can get so upset that every Tom, Dick, and Harry here isn't hyping him. You don't like it he's not getting enough love to make you happy.
That means as much as Carterites wailing the same sorry song.

Nothing.

Like any player, Henson will have his hypers, he will have those neutral on him, (the vast majority who are the moderate wait and see-ers), and he will have his detractors.

So what? LMAO!

I want everyone to hype Terry.

They don't.

I'm not gonna whine the rest of the season about it.

 

[Bluefin]

I said the following things in this thread, " If Henson has a good camp and preseason and looks like he will challenge to start in 2005," and "If Henson plays close to Carter in camp and preseason," and "If Carter tanks."

If all those things happen, Z, wouldn't Parcells still give Testaverde the first shot at replacing Carter and driving the bus?

Vinny wasn't brought here to serve as a player/coach, he's supposed to be option one if Carter falters.

Some believe Testaverde will emerge as the starter whether Q falters or not.

Now, if Henson clearly looks as good as the other options in camp, I'm sure Parcells would give him strong consideration for the job.

As far as I can tell, Henson will be competing with Tony Romo for the emergency spot more than the starting gig.

I'm not discounting Henson, that's just what it looks like to me.

I not saying let's trade Carter right now and go with Henson.

Understood.

Carter had a 71 QB rating and threw 21 INTs, those are numbers a rookie QB COULD put up. We have spent the offseason making the offense more QB friendly, Parcells is going out of his way to have an offense that is not too reliant on it's QB. That will help Carter, but it would ALSO make it possible to contend with a rookie, too.

And given all the problems last year, it wouldn't be hard for a rookie to post dramatically worse numbers than Carter did.

The offense should be easier for whoever gets behind center, so it's hard to see one of the two veterans not prospering in it.

We are building the team for the long term, it's not just about this year. If it were we would have brought in Collins or Garcia. That does not mean that Parcells wants to just tank this season, but I believe that if Henson's potential shows up in camp, playing him this year is not writing off the season.

I know Parcells doesn't want to tank the season, that's why I find it hard to imagine Henson on the field after a prolonged football sabatical.

Even playing well in pre-season doesn't completely translate to the regular season.

Carter had a 100+ rating in Coslet's system in '02 and may have finished in that area again last year.

Hey, if Henson can get ready so quickly and beat out two veteran players, everything will be rosey.

I just don't think it's going to happen that fast.

I expect Henson will need time and he's lucky to have a coach in place who won't rush his development to satisfy the fan base or save his job.

That will only help in the long run, IMO.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

The offense should be easier for whoever gets behind center, so it's hard to see one of the two veterans not prospering in it.

Bingo!

But that'e evidently the problem.

 

[SALADIN]

Who laid down that rule? Who said "no hyping Henson"? And who on earth agreed to it?

What I don't get is how you can get so upset that every Tom, Dick, and Harry here isn't hyping him. You don't like it he's not getting enough love to make you happy.
That means as much as Carterites wailing the same sorry song.

Nothing.

Like any player, Henson will have his hypers, he will have those neutral on him, (the vast majority who are the moderate wait and see-ers), and he will have his detractors.

So what? LMAO!

I want everyone to hype Terry.

They don't.

I'm not gonna whine the rest of the season about it.

Ata boy Terry!

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Ata boy Terry!

Ohhh yeaaaaahhhhh.

Hype MY BOY, baby!

 

[Bluefin]

Look who is answering the question and you have your answer.

Like I said, if you support Carter, Henson is VERY scary.

I support Carter and the only thing that scares me about Henson would be seeing him on the field before he is ready.

Last time I checked, the Fin cheered for the Dallas Cowboys.

Carter and Henson both happen to sport a star on their helmets, well, at least Q does until camp finishes and Drew gets one too.

I do not place player loyalty above team success.

Never have, never will.

Yes, I respect Carter for what he's gone through and maturing as a player, but in no way does that mean I want him on the field if a more deserving candidate is on the team and outplays him.

If any of the other quarterbacks outplay Carter, it will improve the team as far as I know.

That's what matters to me.

Football is a team game.

 

[Bill the Butcher]

Oh, make no mistake about it. Drew WONT be handed the job. But at some point, be it this year or next, HE WILL TAKE IT! If Hutchinson could I cant imagine Henson having any problem whatsoever...LOL Now remember, after Henson is named STARTER by BP everyone line up and support him. If not you will be considered a HATER!..

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I support Carter and the only thing that scares me about Henson would be seeing him on the field before he is ready.

Last time I checked, the Fin cheered for the Dallas Cowboys.

Carter and Henson both happen to sport a star on their helmets, well, at least Q does until camp finishes and Drew gets one too.

I do not place player loyalty above team success.

Never have, never will.

Yes, I respect Carter for what he's gone through and maturing as a player, but in no way does that mean I want him on the field if a more deserving candidate is on the team and outplays him.

If any of the other quarterbacks outplay Carter, it will improve the team as far as I know.

That's what matters to me.

Football is a team game.

Well said, BlueFin.

May the best player "win" this summer, and may everyone find it in his or heart to get behind him. Totally.

It really IS that easy.

And rest assured, Bill WILL play the best option, be it Q, Vinnie, Drew, Tony, or even freakin Hutch if they keep him around.

 

[Bill the Butcher]

I always like it when someone can respond well. Thank you.

Witten was not guaranteed a starting job, but was the next Jay Novacek. No one ever shot that down.

Bryant was he next Irvin. Saw very little complaints about him gettign hype.

Roos should have been a Pro Bowler as a rookie. Don't remember the negative hype.

See what I mean? It isn't even guys expected to start. We go crazy and fall in love with our guys who have potential.

Here I got a guy who wants to BBQ me because I have more hope in an untested rookie than a QB who won 10 games and took us to the playoffs.

Jake Delhomme won 11 or 12 games and took his team to the Super Bowl, but he sucks, yet our playoff QB, who had the worst stats of any of the playoff QBs is somehow going to rise above it all.

Therefore we must quash all hype of Henson. I don't get it.

I get it. And so does EVERYONE else on both sides. If its not Quincy, Its NOT GOOD! Where do we start, Hutch photoshopped and made to look like a fool, People squeeling with joy at the thought of Hutch being released, yet calling for civility in the message board,EVERY QB being discussed being brought in there just had to be something wrong with. WHY? FOR WHAT? Its so transparent its laughable. I for one want those people to continue their antics. Expose themselves as the true haters they are. In the end it makes it all the sweeter. One thing you all should ponder though,...bet ya there would be ALOT less abc'ers if none of this stuff wouldnt have gone on. YOU , are the ones who have brought alot of this stuff down on Carter and yourselves with your ALMOST CONSTANT DOUBLE STANDARDS! Just speaking the truth............

 

[Bill the Butcher]

I really love it when they bash on Delhomme. Its funny to see really........................"wel, ah, hmmmmm, it was his recievers, yeah thats it, they went for the ball more with more agression. Whats that say about TERRY GLENN????????

 

[TwoDeep3]

I am continually amazed at the comments by people who say they are just supporting the guy under center.

I also have a good enough memory to call up the fact that most of these people were the first to scream bloody murder when Ryan Leaf was added to this team.

Seems your support is an on-again, off-again thing.

Because if it was truly supporting whomever was under center, then the whining and crying by some would never have materialized when Hutch was put in to start.

Quincy has polarized this fanbase and I have yet to understand why. He so seldom does anything which would cause a sound mind to suspect he has an upside which would follow in the footsteps of the Aikmans and Staubachs who went before.

 

[Bill the Butcher]

The funniest thing is when SOME say that Vinny would be put in a hospital behind our o line!LMAO! Really , why? Couple weeks back I did some research on mobile and non mobile QB's and the number of times theyre sacked per dropback. Fact is mobility has alot less to do with taking a sack then does field recognition and the ability to read defences quickly. ALOT LESS. Posted the numbers in here before but dont take my word, go check it out yourself. Take a look at the sacks taken by Vick, Mcnabb, and other SO CALLED mobile QB's vs non mobile. Its not even close! Check out Vinnys, Brad Johnsons and others of the like. Got so bad Chrisful even purposley admitted he was going to turn the thread into a flamewar just to get it out of the main board. Matters not to me, people arent idiots, they KNOW the truth whether its posted in here or not...LOL Cant hide the truth by suppresing it. The best part was when I posted the amount of sacks taken by Hutch his rookie year vs the number of sacks taken by Vick, with Hutch being away from the game for 4 years behind a CONSIDERABLY worse line...LOL. Wasnt even CLOSE! Go look for yourselves, sacks taken PER DROPBACK. I do think Hutch will never amount to anything though, but thats another story...LOL

 

[RegiStar]

The better question is should we throw in our third year with Quincy this year or next?

That is all!

 

[RegiStar]

Uh, I meant our third round.

 

[SALADIN]

The funniest thing is when SOME say that Vinny would be put in a hospital behind our o line!LMAO! Really , why? Couple weeks back I did some research on mobile and non mobile QB's and the number of times theyre sacked per dropback. Fact is mobility has alot less to do with taking a sack then does field recognition and the ability to read defences quickly. ALOT LESS. Posted the numbers in here before but dont take my word, go check it out yourself. Take a look at the sacks taken by Vick, Mcnabb, and other SO CALLED mobile QB's vs non mobile. Its not even close! Check out Vinnys, Brad Johnsons and others of the like. Got so bad Chrisful even purposley admitted he was going to turn the thread into a flamewar just to get it out of the main board. Matters not to me, people arent idiots, they KNOW the truth whether its posted in here or not...LOL Cant hide the truth by suppresing it. The best part was when I posted the amount of sacks taken by Hutch his rookie year vs the number of sacks taken by Vick, with Hutch being away from the game for 4 years behind a CONSIDERABLY worse line...LOL. Wasnt even CLOSE! Go look for yourselves, sacks taken PER DROPBACK. I do think Hutch will never amount to anything though, but thats another story...LOL

Did you check Steve Young and Roger Staubach stats? Or did they not fit your profile?

 

[Bill the Butcher]

Did you check Steve Young and Roger Staubach stats? Or did they not fit your profile?

They didnt fit the profile. Im comparing QB's that play NOW not apples and oranges!

 

[SALADIN]

They didnt fit the profile. Im comparing QB's that play NOW not apples and oranges!

But how can you leave out the two best mobile QB's of all time? Cunningham too.

C'mon Bill a pass rush is a pass rush

 

[Bill the Butcher]

And I get the BIGGEST KICK OF ALL showing how the so called most mobile QB on Earth was sacked ALOT more per dropback Vs a goofball like Hutch who many of you rag on. I mean, its way funny man! Hutch sacked less than Vick behind a way worse line while he hasnt played in 4 years....ROTFLMAO! Whats that say about Vick??.LOL, Whats that say about the mobile QB myth?...LOL. Cant have it both ways now can we. Have fun tryin to explain this one away!...LMAO

 

[Bill the Butcher]

But how can you leave out the two best mobile QB's of all time? Cunningham too.

C'mon Bill a pass rush is a pass rush

Saladin, for your part your a good, fair , poster. No prob with you whatsoever. You support your guy in a logical manor. Nothing wrong with that.