A Female Passenger on Benson's Boat Called for Help

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theebs;2073551 said:
Well I believe Benson and his friends.

Sounds like a couple of ticked off officers who were upset with there life or something and decided to take it out on a young wealthy black man bothering no one.

How many times have we heard that.

I hope it all comes out what happens and the officers lose their job. You cant just abuse power and dish out punishment.

Seem the cops then does not get any benefit of the doubt? After all you know how some cops are. If you look at public perception right now football players do not look so clean themselves. Hopefully the truth comes out but I do find it funny that one perception is alright but the other perception is wrong.
 

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Vintage;2073549 said:
Last year, my roommate and I were out driving around in the middle of the day. Like, mid afternoon. We were listening to some music, just minding our own business. My friend got pulled over for DWB. He searched the car and found nothing. He let us go. Our crime? Black driver + rap music.

When I was 12, I had a knife pulled on me and the guy told me he was going to stab me. This was at school, mind you. When the cops came to take my statement, etc, they turned it around on me. They accused me of bringing the knife to school, demanded to see where I put the knife, accused me of threatening another student, and tried to pin the whole thing on me. They told me I was going to go to jail and probably be expelled from school unless I confessed. I was 12 and scared ****less. Fortunately, there were several witnesses and there stories all matched mine. And the guy who threatened to stab me; they later told me his story was that he was joking around and didn't actually mean he was going to stab me. The cops harassed me for a good hour, which may not seem like long, but for a 12 year old.... it seemed like an eternity.

I've had another run in with the cops before, but I was 17 at that time... and I learned my lesson from the previous encounter. I told them my story, told them who could verify my story. They once again tried the same B.S., and I simply told them to stick to the facts; and unless they could produce some tangible evidence, I wasn't commenting on anything more. Since I was a minor, I also told them I was done speaking until they brought my parents in. Needless to say, this time went a lot smoother.

The first situation, I was a victim. The second situation, I was merely at the wrong place at the wrong time.

And pigs wonder why they get shot at sometimes? Or disrespected? Some of them have it coming.


Your last couple of lines are reveal alot about your character or lack thereof.
 

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Vintage;2073549 said:
The first situation, I was a victim. The second situation, I was merely at the wrong place at the wrong time.

And pigs wonder why they get shot at sometimes? Or disrespected? Some of them have it coming.

dude. respect factor took a nose dive here. you don't want to be stereotyped because of your skin color yet, you'll classify all policemen as "pigs".

so you ran into a few bad ones it would seem and that makes them all bad?

wouldn't that mean if a "policeman" ran into a bad black person or two that would make all them bad in their eyes? maybe that's what happened to them. you want to get past stereotypes then quit using them for excuses in your own behavior.
 

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trueblue1687;2073573 said:
Alot of the conspiracy theorists remind me of the Steve Foley (think that was his name...played for the Chargers and got drilled by the policeman) incident. I never laughed so hard in my entire life at all the bubble heads on radio talk shows that formed a "cop stalking athlete" angle. Completely ridiculous and in the end, quite a different story (the real one) came out when he was convicted or plead guilty. Same goes for the cop vs black man/woman/etc. A very stale argument usually....I didn't say always, but usually it is used as an excuse to shirk responsibility for bad decisions/actions. I'm going to predict that Benson refused to go with the officers and they were left with their only recourse: to physically remove him. So many people mistakenly think that when a police officer says: "you're under arrest"....that it is open for debate, when in fact the first refusal to comply is resisting arrest. Interesting to see how many folks will belly up to the crow if Benson is found to be guilty. Also very curious as to why there were no other calls to 911 on behalf of their "black friend". As a side note, there will only be blood test results if Benson agreed to take one (smart to do if you're not drunk). Police can't physically force you to take one unless they flatten your nose and collect the blood that way.....that was, of course a joke:)

And the above statement in bold reveals alot about you.
 

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iceberg;2073587 said:
dude. respect factor took a nose dive here. you don't want to be stereotyped because of your skin color yet, you'll classify all policemen as "pigs".

so you ran into a few bad ones it would seem and that makes them all bad?

wouldn't that mean if a "policeman" ran into a bad black person or two that would make all them bad in their eyes? maybe that's what happened to them.


I don't get stereotyped because of my skin color. I am white. My roommate on the other hand has.... because he is black.

And I didn't say all cops were bad. In my dealings with the police, it seems to be a 1:1 ratio.
 

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TheCount;2073555 said:
I don't think we're too far away from that actually. A lot of highway patrol cars already have video cameras mounted on the dash, I can't imagine it would take much to require all police to carry a digital recording device on their person and record every encounter they have when questioning someone.

It would put them under a lot of pressure and scrutiny though, that's probably why it hasn't happened.

The dept. I work at has cameras in every car. Most have audio also. Problem is it only activates when the overhead lights are turned on. And the audio only works a short distance form the car.
 

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Vintage;2073591 said:
I don't get stereotyped because of my skin color. I am white. My roommate on the other hand has.... because he is black.

And I didn't say all cops were bad. In my dealings with the police, it seems to be a 1:1 ratio.

appreciate the clarification. but now 1 bad cop to 1 cop met? if so maybe you're just looking for that so you find it, somehow. if not, what do you mean by 1:1?
 

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Vintage;2073570 said:
It may not be right; but it is inevitable.

They keep acting like pricks and harassing people, they are going to stumble across someone who they pushed to far.

Wrong? Sure.

Inevitable? Yeah.

And I am sure ALL of the punks they are "harassing" have done nothing to be questioned by the police.......Give me a break
 

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Maikeru-sama;2073557 said:
Yes, you could be right.

May not be a "Black" thing, but rather a "Class" thing.

Because we hear sooo often about white celebrities being beaten up by cops, right? :rolleyes:
 

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iceberg;2073614 said:
appreciate the clarification. but now 1 bad cop to 1 cop met? if so maybe you're just looking for that so you find it, somehow. if not, what do you mean by 1:1?


1 prick cop : 1 good cop


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Where I live on campus, isn't a particularly nice neighborhood. We've had a couple of problems (for instance, non-students showing up to our area, hanging around, making inappropriate comments to women, and bordering on threatening...) We call public safety and not the cops. With cops, you never know what you are going to get (maybe its just Milwaukee, I don't know...). But with public safety, you know they are going to look out for the students first. And since they pack heat and can shoot if needed, it seems safer to go that route if trouble is going down.

Another time, we had our townhouse broken into. My roommate had his computer and PS3 stolen. We called public safety first; they then called the cops. That way, we had public safety at the scene to 'protect' bec. you never know which kind of cop is going to show up. And even if the wrong kind does, they are less likely to do anything when public safety is there witnessing the whole thing.

Maybe my views on cops are jaded, but damn, if they haven't given me reason to be.
 

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Hostile;2073416 said:
Friend sought help for Benson

Concerned for his safety with police, woman phones parents to call 911

By David Haugh | Tribune reporter 12:12 AM CDT, May 7, 2008

Benson claimed police kicked his feet out from under him, causing him to fall awkwardly. When Benson got up, Cartwright remembers him sitting in a squad car surrounded by six officers.

"In the weakest voice, Cedric said to me and my fiance, 'Help me get out of here,' " Cartwright said. "He was so scared."

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stay strong Benson i went through the same thing
 

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Hostile;2073416 said:
"I called my dad and told him, 'Call 911, my black friend is getting beaten up by police on Lake Travis,' " said Elizabeth Cartwright"

Good thing she had to identify him by color.
 

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Kangaroo;2073553 said:
In parts yes :eek: it still happens in some hick towns around here in East Texas and stuff

I have lived in East Texas for a large part of my life and I rarely seen this to be an issue...

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I have always had a great relationship with all races in East Texas as have my friends/family...

FCBarca;2073556 said:
Black man being beaten up by cops in Texas...:rolleyes: Hmm, is there really a doubt about what and how things went down?

Moreover, I find this simply a cautionary tale about power...Remember what Machiavelli said?

Don't indict an entire state for an incident that we don't even know the true events of at this point...

I traveled the country extensively on business for ten years and I found the most bigoted part of the country to be the Northeast...

Every city in every state has bigots of all races/creeds...
 

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Maikeru-sama;2073560 said:
:laugh2:

Man, Hostile has a joke and a story for every possible topic :bow: .
I just got asked to speak this Summer to a group of kids at a youth gathering for our church. I asked "why me?" The response, "you always have good stories."
 

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This is hilarious. None of you have the facts, but are laying down opinions like you were there and saw it all.

Benson is guilty! No! The Cops are guilty!


How can you even form an opinion based on this he said she said stuff coming out?

You all might want to wait before you convict anyone.

Small suggestion is all. Just sayin.
 

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Dallas;2073658 said:
This is hilarious. None of you have the facts, but are laying down opinions like you were there and saw it all.

Benson is guilty! No! The Cops are guilty!


How can you even form an opinion based on this he said she said stuff coming out?

You all might want to wait before you convict anyone.

Small suggestion is all. Just sayin.

Best response so far :bow:
 

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FCBarca;2073623 said:
Because we hear sooo often about white celebrities being beaten up by cops, right? :rolleyes:

Whites may/may not be beaten up, but I know they take it up the proverbial "butt" sometimes too.

A movie I am currently watching, "The Thin Blue Line" comes to mind.

One can get into all kinds of psychological discussions on profiling.

But I am not foolish enough to think that only my folks (blacks) get railroaded.
 

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Dallas;2073658 said:
This is hilarious. None of you have the facts, but are laying down opinions like you were there and saw it all.

Benson is guilty! No! The Cops are guilty!


How can you even form an opinion based on this he said she said stuff coming out?

You all might want to wait before you convict anyone.

Small suggestion is all. Just sayin.
It's pretty easy to form an opinion based on the available information, actually. Whether or not it's accurate is another matter, but you can only ever form opinions based on available information.
 

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For the record, most of the cops I have had dealings with are very cool. One time I got busted for doing donuts in the school parking lot. The cop asked me how many tickets I wanted. I replied, "none if you are feeling charitable." He laughed and told me not to do it again.

It is very rare from my experience for a Cop to be rude. Does it happen? Sure. I think many times it might be because of where they are when something happens. A bad area can make them a lot more cautious. I know it would me.

If this story is true and what people are saying about Devil's Cove is true then I can understand to a degree why the Cops were cautious. It just has a bad juju feel to the whole thing though as more info comes out. I'm not saying Benson is 100% innocent of anything, nor am I saying he's guilty. But there's no doubt in my mind that there is reason for skepticism of the Cops in equal proportion to skepticism of Benson. In this case anyway.
 
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