A look at the Roy Williams trade

[Hostile]

Jerry let TO go because he didn't want to pay him, same as Ellis and others.

Wasn't the reason for either one at all.

 

[casmith07]

basically..... Gotta love smart guys.

Well the guy before you suggested that RW wasn't as good because TO is one of the best of all time.

You then suggested that idea was BS, and that hard work pays off.

I consider myself an amateur WR...therefore according to your logic if I put in hard work = payoff = catching TD passes on Sundays for the Dallas Cowboys!

 

[Bleu Star]

Well the guy before you suggested that RW wasn't as good because TO is one of the best of all time.

You then suggested that idea was BS, and that hard work pays off.

I consider myself an amateur WR...therefore according to your logic if I put in hard work = payoff = catching TD passes on Sundays for the Dallas Cowboys!

Yes. Everyone that has reached the pinnacle of playing in the NFL is on TO's level... Silliness..

Hard work pays off. Bottom line. If our favorite team lived by that mantra we wouldn't be sitting here quibbling over bull**** right now.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Patrick Crayton moves the chains
and I sure as hell am not paying him 45 mil

 

[TheSport78]

Patrick Crayton moves the chains
and I sure as hell am not paying him 45 mil

Good point, but I guess that's just the ways of the NFL. Certain players once they get that big contract and signing bonus, don't put 100% into their job. Look at Hamlin, when we signed him to a multi-year deal we thought it was a smart and necessary move. Now, he clearly hasn't played like he did in 07' and looks like a giant mistake. The bottom line is SO FAR, Roy has not warranted his 45 million dollar deal. I hope he proves some of us wrong.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Good point, but I guess that's just the ways of the NFL. Certain players once they get that big contract and signing bonus, don't put 100% into their job. Look at Hamlin, when we signed him to a multi-year deal we thought it was a smart and necessary move. Now, he clearly hasn't played like he did in 07' and looks like a giant mistake. The bottom line is SO FAR, Roy has not warranted his 45 million dollar deal. I hope he proves some of us wrong.

let's renegotiate Anthony Spencer's contract, and give him 45 million dollars because he plays the run real well, and is good in coverage

yeah

 

[Rampage]

let's renegotiate Anthony Spencer's contract, and give him a 45 million dollar contract because he plays the run real well, and is good in coverage

yeah

:laugh2:




Rampage

 

[casmith07]

Yes. Everyone that has reached the pinnacle of playing in the NFL is on TO's level... Silliness..

Hard work pays off. Bottom line. If our favorite team lived by that mantra we wouldn't be sitting here quibbling over bull**** right now.

That's absolutely not what I said at all. Go back and re-read my post in response to yours before you start tossing out curse words and eye-rolling emoticons.

 

[Bleu Star]

That's absolutely not what I said at all. Go back and re-read my post in response to yours before you start tossing out curse words and eye-rolling emoticons.

bull****

 

[casmith07]

bull****

Thanks for validating my point against yours.

 

[jswalker1981]

I do think someone like Harvin is more of a dynamic threat than Roy.

But I keep going back to the Denver game where Roy catches a ball with his hands (like a good WR should do) with Champ trying desperately to no avail at knocking the ball loose, thus extending the drive, and leading to a score.

Its little stuff like that, while Roy didn't "score" a TD... he most certainly contributed to the points scored on that drive.

Maybe he isn't worth what we gave up for him (jury is still out).... but I'd be lying if I said I'm not glad he is a Cowboy.

I was thinking about that same play. When he caught that, the first thing I said was, "TO couldn't catch that."

Couldn't it be possible that the reason he isn't catching 6 balls a game is because the defense is game planning to stop him AND Witten? It isn't hard to take away two receiving threats. I mean, that is why we traded for Roy in the first place. We all know the #2 WR is really the third option on this team, and maybe the fourth depending on if the play is for Felix or we have two TEs in the game. What needs to happen is for the #2 WR or #2 TE to step up, like Austin did last game.

 

[Hostile]

I was thinking about that same play. When he caught that, the first thing I said was, "TO couldn't catch that."

Couldn't it be possible that the reason he isn't catching 6 balls a game is because the defense is game planning to stop him AND Witten? It isn't hard to take away two receiving threats. I mean, that is why we traded for Roy in the first place. We all know the #2 WR is really the third option on this team, and maybe the fourth depending on if the play is for Felix or we have two TEs in the game. What needs to happen is for the #2 WR or #2 TE to step up, like Austin did last game.

Bingo.

Are we a passing attack like we were in the last 3 seasons? Or are we pounding the ball?

There are factors that people simply close their eyes to. Coverage schemes is just one of them.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

He hasn't exactly been money with moving the chains. I can remember a play against Carolina where he caught a 3rd down pass to move the chains, but it's not like Roy is money. Dallas in general is converting just under 37% on 3rd down, which is good for 18th in the league. Until the WR's start getting some separation so Romo doesn't have to hold the ball longer, nothing will change.

Moving the chains is important because it is a game of inches!

 

[TheSport78]

Bingo.

Are we a passing attack like we were in the last 3 seasons? Or are we pounding the ball?

There are factors that people simply close their eyes to. Coverage schemes is just one of them.

We're not disputing if Roy has helped move the chains. Great, but he is still overpaid and we gave up too many draft picks to acquire him.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

1. block

2. move the chains

3. make plays

 

[jswalker1981]

We're not disputing if Roy has helped move the chains. Great, but he is still overpaid and we gave up too many draft picks to acquire him.

But what I think the argument should be is if it is his fault. Is Roy not working hard enough? Is he taking plays off? Is he on the wrong page with Romo? Is he not communicating with Romo and Garrett to get on the same page? A football team is a machine, it has a lot of moving parts that have to work correctly to get an optimum result. If one thing goes wrong, it can cause other things to go wrong. You can spend a lot of money on a premium car, but if you but regular gas in it, it isn't going to work that well.

 

[Bleu Star]

Thanks for validating my point against yours.

Thanks for playing. Enjoy the game.

 

[Apollo Creed]

let's renegotiate Anthony Spencer's contract, and give him 45 million dollars because he plays the run real well, and is good in coverage

yeah

Jammmm.

 

[TheSport78]

But what I think the argument should be is if it is his fault. Is Roy not working hard enough? Is he taking plays off? Is he on the wrong page with Romo? Is he not communicating with Romo and Garrett to get on the same page? A football team is a machine, it has a lot of moving parts that have to work correctly to get an optimum result. If one thing goes wrong, it can cause other things to go wrong. You can spend a lot of money on a premium car, but if you but regular gas in it, it isn't going to work that well.

The thing that makes me wonder about Roy, is that Tony hasn't had a history of having problems with being on the same page with WR's. Say what you want about him and T.O., but when they were on, they were unstoppable. I mean Roy and Tony had a whole offseason to work together, and we all know how hard of a worker Tony is. The media may portray him in another light, but us as Cowboy fans know he is dedicated to the position.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Forget the trade even. Right now is RW getting open and/or getting YAC?