A look at the Roy Williams trade

[Hostile]

Percy Harvin, Kenny Britt or Hakeem Nicks would've made this team better as well. Do you really see a huge discrepancy between RW and the WR's I mentioned? Maybe they wouldn't "downfield block" as well as Roy, but WR's are paid to catch the ball and MAKE PLAYS. Roy has caught the ball somewhat but hasn't made any big plays with the exception of the play against the horrid Tampa Bay defense. Geez even Crayton went for 80 yards.

Yeah, I do.

I do not agree with the "WRs are paid to catch the ball" stuff. Every guy on the field is paid to help move the chains and the team win. I have seen Deion Sanders have a dominant game without defensing a pass or picking one off. I have seen a WR have a dominant game without a score. It happens when Defenses focus so much on that WR that other options are open.

I am not hung up on stats and salaries. I care more that this guy is honored to be here and is working his butt off to make the team better. He blocks downfield. I was a FB in college. You have no idea how much I respect him for that. I would take that over a bunch of catches with the current team because we have the horses to run the football.

I mean seriously, when are we going to be consistent with what we're *****ing about here? Either we want this team to run the football, or we want this team to put up huge stats for a guy we paid so much for. Make up your petty little minds. I'll take running the football and a guy who makes it possible for more yardage.

Roy Williams is "doing work" on every single play. I respect that. I always have. I always will.

 

[TheSport78]

Okay.

Hakeem Nicks for a first and 18 million dollar contract>>Roy Williams for a first and third and 45 million dollar contract

/thread

 

[Hostile]

I do think someone like Harvin is more of a dynamic threat than Roy.

But I keep going back to the Denver game where Roy catches a ball with his hands (like a good WR should do) with Champ trying desperately to no avail at knocking the ball loose, thus extending the drive, and leading to a score.

Its little stuff like that, while Roy didn't "score" a TD... he most certainly contributed to the points scored on that drive.

Maybe he isn't worth what we gave up for him (jury is still out).... but I'd be lying if I said I'm not glad he is a Cowboy.

Open thread right back up. Amazing how a better insight into football can do that.

 

[TheSport78]

Open thread right back up. Amazing how a better insight into football can do that.

I never disputed if Roy makes a positive impact to our team, he does, I just think it's to a limited degree. He's not warranting his contract. There is not much of a dropoff between RW and Britt/Nicks/Harvin. If one can't realize that then I don't know what else to say.

 

[Hostile]

I never disputed if Roy makes a positive impact to our team, he does, I just think it's to a limited degree. He's not warranting his contract. There is not much of a dropoff between RW and Britt/Nicks/Harvin. If one can't realize that then I don't know what else to say.

I have already said on numerous occasions that I don't care about his contract. You might as well piss on a spark plug as to keep harping on it when responding to me. You'll get a better charge that way.

 

[TheSport78]

I have already said on numerous occasions that I don't care about his contract. You might as well piss on a spark plug as to keep harping on it when responding to me. You'll get a better charge that way.

Well, others do care about his contract because that money could've been used at other key positions like backup NT, safety, OL, etc. It's easy to say "oh I don't care about the salary" but the fact of the matter is, when you make bone-headed trades like Jerry did here, it limits your franchise in terms of spreading the wealth to key positions. Why does it always seem Dallas is one or two positions away of having a complete, deep team? Because usually we make that one, ridiculous move that limits us, in this case it's Roy. In the past, it was the re-signing of Hamlin, Roy and so on.

 

[CoCo]

If there were no salary cap, I wouldn't care about player salaries either.

But there is.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Yeah, I do.

I do not agree with the "WRs are paid to catch the ball" stuff. Every guy on the field is paid to help move the chains and the team win. I have seen Deion Sanders have a dominant game without defensing a pass or picking one off. I have seen a WR have a dominant game without a score. It happens when Defenses focus so much on that WR that other options are open.

I am not hung up on stats and salaries. I care more that this guy is honored to be here and is working his butt off to make the team better. He blocks downfield. I was a FB in college. You have no idea how much I respect him for that. I would take that over a bunch of catches with the current team because we have the horses to run the football.

I mean seriously, when are we going to be consistent with what we're *****ing about here? Either we want this team to run the football, or we want this team to put up huge stats for a guy we paid so much for. Make up your petty little minds. I'll take running the football and a guy who makes it possible for more yardage.

Roy Williams is "doing work" on every single play. I respect that. I always have. I always will.

You think defenses are gameplanning for Roy Williams and use double coverage? Most times I see him single covered.

Nicks,Murphy and Britt are good blocking WR's too..so...

 

[Hostile]

Well, others do care about his contract because that money could've been used at other key positions like backup NT, safety, OL, etc. It's easy to say "oh I don't care about the salary" but the fact of the matter is, when you make bone-headed trades like Jerry did here, it limits your franchise in terms of spreading the wealth to key positions. Why does it always seem Dallas is one or two positions away of having a complete, deep team? Because usually we make that one, ridiculous move that limits us, in this case it's Roy. In the past, it was the re-signing of Hamlin, Roy and so on.

We are 11 million under the salary cap. Only 1 team has more cap room.

Ignore the facts as you rant about nothing.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

If there were no salary cap, I wouldn't care about player salaries either.

But there is.

I don't get the "I don't care about the salaries" posts. It severely constricts potential FA's that could come in and help this team or help sign one of our young players to extentions.

If you could get the same production for a 18 million dollar contract. Why would you pay 45 million?

 

[SLATEmosphere]

We are 11 million under the salary cap. Only 1 team has more cap room.

Ignore the facts as you rant about nothing.

You do construction right?

If you could get tools and supplies for $1800, why would you spend $4500 on a simliar product and they both get the job done equally the same?

Simple business really.

 

[TheSport78]

We are 11 million under the salary cap. Only 1 team has more cap room.

Ignore the facts as you rant about nothing.

That's because the Cowboys need to save cap room for Ware's huge deal. You shouldn't ignore the facts, either.

 

[TheSport78]

I don't get the "I don't care about the salaries" posts. It severely constricts potential FA's that could come in and help this team or help sign one of our young players to extentions.

If you could get the same production for a 18 million dollar contract. Why would you pay 45 million?

Stop seriously; you're making too much sense.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Stop seriously; you're making too much sense.

:laugh2:

okay I'll stop.

 

[Hostile]

That's because the Cowboys need to save cap room for Ware's huge deal. You shouldn't ignore the facts, either.

I'm not. We have enough for Ware and more.

 

[utrunner07]

I'm not. We have enough for Ware and more.

How much room do we have? Ware is not going to take as much as he was going to.

 

[Hostile]

You do construction right?

If you could get tools and supplies for $1800, why would you spend $4500 on a simliar product and they both get the job done equally the same?

Simple business really.

Football is not construction. It is a poor analogy. There are times in construction where I have to pay a lot of money for something that has very little to do with the overall structural integrity of something I am building. But it still plays a vital role in completion of that project. Without it you cannot get a C. of O. Which is the goal of construction.

 

[Hostile]

How much room do we have? Ware is not going to take as much as he was going to.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147476

I bow to the master when it comes to salary cap.

 

[craig71]

I think it boiled down to Jerry thinking that this team needed one more player to get to the super bowl,he gambled and lost.I can't fault Jerry for trying to win,which is what he was trying to do when he pulled the trigger on Williams.

As far as what Williams brings to the table,I think this year will define what he is to this team.Until this season is over it is entirely to early to label him a bust in Dallas.If a person wants to blame Williams for his lackluster numbers,I suggest you also assign some blame to the staff and quarterback also.You just can't blame one person for the lack of success at this time,it takes two to tango.Concerning the young players that could of been had without the Williams trade,just because a player prospers in one system doesn't always mean they will prosper in another.Besides that,even if we had the picks it doesn't mean that we would have drafted any of them.

Craig

 

[utrunner07]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147476

I bow to the master when it comes to salary cap.

wow, that is really bad.