A look at the Roy Williams trade

[SLATEmosphere]

Football is not construction. It is a poor analogy. There are times in construction where I have to pay a lot of money for something that has very little to do with the overall structural integrity of something I am building. But it still plays a vital role in completion of that project. Without it you cannot get a C. of O. Which is the goal of construction.

It was a poor anology.

But my points was if you could get the same thing for less, you would take that everytime.

You think Roy is better than Nicks and Britt or any other WR from last year. I disagree. I think we could get the same production out of those guys.

 

[Hostile]

wow, that is really bad.

How is it bad?

 

[Hostile]

It was a poor anology.

But my points was if you could get the same thing for less, you would take that everytime.

You think Roy is better than Nicks and Britt or any other WR from last year. I disagree. I think we could get the same production out of those guys.

Not in construction you don't.

I am building an addition to your house that includes a bathroom with a stand up shower. The cheapest way to make your shower is a one piece fiberglass enclosure. The next cheapest is a ceramic tile enclosure. Then there is marble. You're telling me that you always go fiberglass?

They all perform the exact same function. So why aren't the all equal?

Because beauty, and return on investment, and other things like that factor into the equation.

Is every stove exactly the same? Why do people spend more for a glass top stove or for gas stoves? It is about preference.

In Roy Williams Dallas wanted a top 20 WR who was young enough to grow with this QB and team. They have it. Just like the marble, I feel it is a good investment.

I don't care what Jerry paid for Roy because it has not handicapped this team. We are a better running team because of his downfield blocking. I will take that and what he brings in the passing game and be glad.

I don't see the need to bellyache about the trade. It allowed us to jettison a malcontent. It was worth it for that alone.

 

[Hoofbite]

You do construction right?

If you could get tools and supplies for $1800, why would you spend $4500 on a simliar product and they both get the job done equally the same?

Simple business really.

Its not just simple business. The whole scenario is based on knowing what was going to happen.

Looking back and saying the team should have done this or that is always the easy thing to do.

 

[jswalker1981]

Yeah, because every WR on that list could have taken the hit he did and not had an injury.

Buehler could have taken that hit.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I don't see the need to bellyache about the trade. It allowed us to jettison a malcontent. It was worth it for that alone.

I agree but often feel we are in the minority around here. There is still plenty of time. Starting on Sunday.

 

[jswalker1981]

Not in construction you don't.

I am building an addition to your house that includes a bathroom with a stand up shower. The cheapest way to make your shower is a one piece fiberglass enclosure. The next cheapest is a ceramic tile enclosure. Then there is marble. You're telling me that you always go fiberglass?

They all perform the exact same function. So why aren't the all equal?

Because beauty, and return on investment, and other things like that factor into the equation.

Is every stove exactly the same? Why do people spend more for a glass top stove or for gas stoves? It is about preference.

In Roy Williams Dallas wanted a top 20 WR who was young enough to grow with this QB and team. They have it. Just like the marble, I feel it is a good investment.

I don't care what Jerry paid for Roy because it has not handicapped this team. We are a better running team because of his downfield blocking. I will take that and what he brings in the passing game and be glad.

I don't see the need to bellyache about the trade. It allowed us to jettison a malcontent. It was worth it for that alone.

The analogy I've been using compares the Roy Williams trade to Crabtree and the 49ers. First off, I'm not comparing Williams to Crabtree, rather the situation. So don't everyone go into a "Crabtree is better than Williams" tirade. But don't you think that if the 49ers could have had Crabtree signed, and practicing with the team in March, one-on-one with the QB, and all through training camp, all for a third round pick, they might do it? Now I know a third round pick is a lot. But, at this point, for the money they've invested in him, I'm sure they would feel a lot better if he was with the team before the draft, and signed, working out with the team. And especially with the players we drafted (most of them special teamers with an eye for the future), a third round pick isn't too much to get an advantage of Williams with the team and Romo throughout the entire offseason. I reckon it isn't a landslide in value for us, but just another way to look at the trade. You can't put injury into the equation because anyone would have been injured on that hit, and you can't predict every injury.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Its not just simple business. The whole scenario is based on knowing what was going to happen.

Looking back and saying the team should have done this or that is always the easy thing to do.

Huh? This trade was garbage from the get go.

 

[Angus]

I really would put the lack of production on Romo. Look the guy is not having a good season so far. He has been off on throws all season long. You can't expect Roy to move the chains make the tough catch and throw the ball at the same time.

He could at least run good routes sometimes, though. He might get the ball more that way, you think?

 

[Angus]

I dont place the blame for Roy's lack of production on anyone but the coaches and in some instances, Romo.

If you watch WR's around the league play, they dont all have to have two steps on the guy they're covering to get the ball. If you deliver the ball in the right spot, a WR like Roy should be able to make the play. And if your o coordinator can scheme, he should be able to take advantage of a guy with hands like Roy.

If you watch Colston play for the Saints, a guy that has to be as fast, if not slower than Roy, Brees gets the ball in position for him to make plays. Not every succesful receiver in this league is able to simply blow away the guy defending them, this is the NFL.

Colston runs precise routes.

 

[dogunwo]

I have no hatred toward Roy. It's probably not his fault. It's what happens when you have a UDFA throwing to him and boy wonder drawing up plays.

What does this have to do with it? Has he not proven he can play in this league? If you are going to bring up how much Roy is a disappointment considering his contract, then you also have to applaud Romo for his accomplishments considering his draft status.

But in reality, none of that matters.

 

[Hoofbite]

Huh? This trade was garbage from the get go.

Probably worded that poorly but I don't think it makes a lot of sense to say the team should have paid X amount for a draft pick when there is no guarantee that any pick would provide what Roy has or what Roy was traded for.

Roy cost so much because he had put up some good numbers. If he was putting up those numbers this debate wouldn't be taking place.

I don't like the trade right now at all but I don't think making comparisons after the fact is a solid way to justify the trade being poor. The trade looks poor enough on its own.

 

[Bleu Star]

You guys are failing to see that any WR we COULD have drafted would be facing the same problems RW is facing with less developed talent and experience. Some how i'm not seeing that working out.

Yeah... The younger, less tenured, Miles Austin is facing all sorts of problems...

This butt hurt over the venerable RW11 is comical. The trade was ridiculous. We gave up ridiculous picks & money for Mr. Plantar Faschitis. :bang2:

The day Roy learns how to run a route will be the day Romo begins to actually consider throwing him the ball more often. How many INTs did Romo toss during Austin's 250 yard performance?

Gotta love butthurt.

 

[Bleu Star]

I dont place the blame for Roy's lack of production on anyone but the coaches and in some instances, Romo.

If you watch WR's around the league play, they dont all have to have two steps on the guy they're covering to get the ball. If you deliver the ball in the right spot, a WR like Roy should be able to make the play. And if your o coordinator can scheme, he should be able to take advantage of a guy with hands like Roy.

If you watch Colston play for the Saints, a guy that has to be as fast, if not slower than Roy, Brees gets the ball in position for him to make plays. Not every succesful receiver in this league is able to simply blow away the guy defending them, this is the NFL.

Trust... It's a huge word to QBs. You have to trust that the WR will run the correct route in a crisp fashion just as it's practiced (oh wait... Wade runs practices!!!!) or else the trust will not be there and the WR will end up all bent outta shape because iof his own shortcomings. Roy is a lazy route runner. Again, I ask, How many INTs did Romo toss when Miles amassed 250 yards receiving?

 

[Bleu Star]

:laugh2:

You should care. Because we gave up a first, third and 45 mil for a WR who can't score TD's.

Moving chains you say? That's fine, but you could find that alot cheaper.

on the nosey.

 

[Bleu Star]

Okay.

Hakeem Nicks for a first and 18 million dollar contract>>Roy Williams for a first and third and 45 million dollar contract

/thread

:laugh2:

 

[Bleu Star]

potential FA's that could come in and help this team

Didn't we get that in RW11? Oh wait...

 

[casmith07]

It's Friday afternoon, I just got home and thought it would be interesting to see what WR's were available in the 1st, 3rd and 6th rounds of the 2009 NFL Draft, due to the picks we gave up for RW.

1st round WR's after #20:

#22: Percy Harvin
#29: Hakeem Nicks
#30: Kenny Britt

3rd round WR's after #69:

#82: Derrick Williams
#83: Brandon Tate
#84: Mike Wallace
#85: Ramses Barden
#87: Patrick Turner
#91: Deon Butler
#99: Juaquin Iglesias

6th round WR's after #192

#194: Brandon Gibson
#206: Dominique Edison

The ones in bold are the WR's I would've taken over Roy Williams. At least these bolded WR's are staying healthy and contributing to their team (even if the Titans are 0-6). I'm just going on pure potential right now. We all know what Roy is. He's never going to be a true #1 WR, he's a typical possession WR that will occasionally make tough catches in traffic and has exceptional hands. He just doesn't have the burst to get enough separation in order to get open. Nicks and Britt have great potential to develop into #1 WR's, while currently they could make serious contributions to the offense. In history, it's been proven that you DON'T need a #1 WR to win championships. Look at Santonio Holmes. He's possibly the second best #2 WR in the NFL and Steelers got their ring. I would definitely love Nicks, Britt or Wallace right now. But according to Jerry, it takes 2-3 years for a WR to contribute. :bang2:

I'd rather have RW. There's a lot that he does on the field that isn't seen by fans because most fans just look for the "big play" that "stetches the defense" from a "playmaker."

His blocking in the running game has been key, and as long as our players move the chains I could care less what their numbers look like.

I still think fans are way too wrapped around this "#1/#2" BS that the media has purpoted as well.

Go Cowboys. Just get the W.

 

[Hostile]

The analogy I've been using compares the Roy Williams trade to Crabtree and the 49ers. First off, I'm not comparing Williams to Crabtree, rather the situation. So don't everyone go into a "Crabtree is better than Williams" tirade. But don't you think that if the 49ers could have had Crabtree signed, and practicing with the team in March, one-on-one with the QB, and all through training camp, all for a third round pick, they might do it? Now I know a third round pick is a lot. But, at this point, for the money they've invested in him, I'm sure they would feel a lot better if he was with the team before the draft, and signed, working out with the team. And especially with the players we drafted (most of them special teamers with an eye for the future), a third round pick isn't too much to get an advantage of Williams with the team and Romo throughout the entire offseason. I reckon it isn't a landslide in value for us, but just another way to look at the trade. You can't put injury into the equation because anyone would have been injured on that hit, and you can't predict every injury.

Very good points!

 

[Hostile]

Yeah... The younger, less tenured, Miles Austin is facing all sorts of problems...

This butt hurt over the venerable RW11 is comical. The trade was ridiculous. We gave up ridiculous picks & money for Mr. Plantar Faschitis. :bang2:

The day Roy learns how to run a route will be the day Romo begins to actually consider throwing him the ball more often. How many INTs did Romo toss during Austin's 250 yard performance?

Gotta love butthurt.

There is hope.