A look at the Roy Williams trade

[Randy White]

You guys are failing to see that any WR we COULD have drafted would be facing the same problems RW is facing with less developed talent and experience. Some how i'm not seeing that working out.

And here's another one of them common sense posts.

You guys get pleasure from ruining dilusional ideas, do you ? I mean, you just can let a guy live quietly in a fantasy world, where receivers who have been targeted exactly 25 times in 4 games are supposed to put up the same stats that receivers targeted 60, 70 times in 5 games are putting up.

You always have to insert facts into everything..

:bang2:

 

[Venger]

The reason it matters what Roy Williams gets paid is because there is a finite amount of money allocated in the cap, and money spent to pay Roy is NOT available to pay anyone else. That means fewer possible players, or not being able to pay a particular player an in-demand wage.

I am not sure why we're even talking about this - Roy Williams is Joey Galloway part deux. He is a receiver we seriously overpaid for, not only in contract but in assets to acquire.

When a WR gets such damnably faint praise for "downfield blocking", then you know you are dealing with underperformance.

I like RW, but he is a terrible value for the franchise and will never be a guy who defenses have to account for.

 

[Randy White]

I don't consider that Roy's fault though. Brad could throw him a td. Kitna could get him the ball in that hell hole Detroit. But for some reason Tony can't

Last year, Tony Romo got well deserved criticism for trying to force the ball to T.O. After the season was over, and T.O. was shipped out, one of the mottos on offense was: " we're going to spread the ball. We're going to get everybody involved ".

After 5 games in the 2009 season:

( Targeted = " thrown the ball to " )

Jason Witten = 5 games, 33 times
Patrick Crayton = 5 games, 32 times
Miles Austin = 5 games, 27 times
Roy Williams = 4 games, 25 times.
Tashard Choice = 5 games, 17 times.


Now, here's the question:

Do you Cowboys' fans want the Cowboys to go back and throw the ball to Roy Williams an average of approx 10-15 times per game ( the way Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Randy Moss, get targeted ) so he can justify in your eyes his position on the team OR do you want the Cowboys to keep distributing the ball, trying to get everybody involved, trying to stay with the " throw it to the open man " philosophy ?


Which one do you want ?

 

[RS12]

Roy need time.

Roy had a year, does he have a learning disability along with his asthma?

 

[RS12]

Now, here's the question:

Do you Cowboys' fans want the Cowboys to go back and throw the ball to Roy Williams an average of approx 10-15 times per game ( the way Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Randy Moss, get targeted ) so he can justify in your eyes his position on the team OR do you want the Cowboys to keep distributing the ball, trying to get everybody involved, trying to stay with the " throw it to the open man " philosophy ?

Throwing him the ball 10-15 times wont have the same outcome as those guys, because he is nowhere near as good as they are. He is above average to good, they are super stars.

 

[craig71]

Last year, Tony Romo got well deserved criticism for trying to force the ball to T.O. After the season was over, and T.O. was shipped out, one of the mottos on offense was: " we're going to spread the ball. We're going to get everybody involved ".

After 5 games in the 2009 season:

( Targeted = " thrown the ball to " )

Jason Witten = 5 games, 33 times
Patrick Crayton = 5 games, 32 times
Miles Austin = 5 games, 27 times
Roy Williams = 4 games, 25 times.
Tashard Choice = 5 games, 17 times.


Now, here's the question:

Do you Cowboys' fans want the Cowboys to go back and throw the ball to Roy Williams an average of approx 10-15 times per game ( the way Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Randy Moss, get targeted ) so he can justify in your eyes his position on the team OR do you want the Cowboys to keep distributing the ball, trying to get everybody involved, trying to stay with the " throw it to the open man " philosophy ?


Which one do you want ?

I think your logic will fall upon deaf ears.

Craig

 

[Randy White]

It was a poor anology.

But my points was if you could get the same thing for less, you would take that everytime..

No, you don't. ESPECIALLY if you're in construction.

Order 100 yards of 7000 regular psi concrete, 6" slump, for a floor slab on a high rise building from a company that's going to give it you at $30 per cubic yard ( most repudiable places wouldn't sell it for less than $70 ) only the next day when you're going to pull the straining cables, they slice through it like hot knives through butter because the company cut corners on the cement for the mix and the concrete didn't cure correctly.

 

[TheSport78]

The reason it matters what Roy Williams gets paid is because there is a finite amount of money allocated in the cap, and money spent to pay Roy is NOT available to pay anyone else. That means fewer possible players, or not being able to pay a particular player an in-demand wage.

I am not sure why we're even talking about this - Roy Williams is Joey Galloway part deux. He is a receiver we seriously overpaid for, not only in contract but in assets to acquire.

When a WR gets such damnably faint praise for "downfield blocking", then you know you are dealing with underperformance.

I like RW, but he is a terrible value for the franchise and will never be a guy who defenses have to account for.

Great post. I respect everyone's opinion in the thread but there have been a lot of "homer" comments. If you ask any fan of football outside of Cowboys fans, they will instantly say we overpaid for Roy and spent two many draft picks to get him. Please, Braylon Edwards was had for a 2nd and a couple of mediocre players. Roy is what he is, he's a good possession receiver that will never be a #1 WR like Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, etc. I really think Jerry thinks Roy IS at that level. This is where the problem lies, because Jerry is the ONLY person who feels this way in the front office. Wow, I can't wait for Stephen to take over.

 

[Randy White]

The reason it matters what Roy Williams gets paid is because there is a finite amount of money allocated in the cap, and money spent to pay Roy is NOT available to pay anyone else..

Such as whom ?

 

[TheSport78]

The one thing that bothers me the most about Roy is his on the field body language. It just seems like something is off with him. I don't know if it's him not getting the ball, being tired, or doesn't like running precise routes; it just doesn't look normal. Thoughts?

 

[Randy White]

Throwing him the ball 10-15 times wont have the same outcome as those guys, because he is nowhere near as good as they are. He is above average to good, they are super stars.

Read the question again. I didn't say he was as good as Fitzgerald or Johnson or Moss. I asked:

Do YOU want the Cowboys to throw him the ball 10-15 times per game ( the way those top receivers get targeted ) so he put up the stats to justify his position ( in your eyes ) on the team OR do you want the Cowboys to keep spreading the ball ?

Simple question.


By the way:

Steve Smith ( Giants ) = 55 tageted ( 3rd )
Nate Burleson = 54 targeted ( 4th )
TJ Houshmandzadeh = 53 targeted ( 5th )
Ochocinco = 53 targeted ( 5th )
Wes Welker = 52 targeted ( 6th )
Hines Ward = 52 targeted ( 6th )


Is Roy WIlliams " no where near as good " as those guys either ?

 

[craig71]

Great post. I respect everyone's opinion in the thread but there have been a lot of "homer" comments. If you ask any fan of football outside of Cowboys fans, they will instantly say we overpaid for Roy and spent two many draft picks to get him. Please, Braylon Edwards was had for a 2nd and a couple of mediocre players. Roy is what he is, he's a good possession receiver that will never be a #1 WR like Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, etc. I really think Jerry thinks Roy IS at that level. This is where the problem lies, because Jerry is the ONLY person who feels this way in the front office. Wow, I can't wait for Stephen to take over.

I believe the main reason Roy was brought in was to get this team a championship last year,Jerry thought trading for Roy would get this team to the big game.Jerry gambled and lost,but that doesn't mean that Roy Williams won't be a player for this team.

Craig

 

[Randy White]

The one thing that bothers me the most about Roy is his on the field body language. It just seems like something is off with him. I don't know if it's him not getting the ball, being tired, or doesn't like running precise routes; it just doesn't look normal. Thoughts?

Now is body language ?


Where's that wonderful post I saw last week ( that should be a sticky IMO ) about phrases, expressions, " body language ", words that a Cowboys player should use all the time in order to keep us " happy " ?

 

[CATCH17]

I believe the main reason Roy was brought in was to get this team a championship last year,Jerry thought trading for Roy would get this team to the big game.Jerry gambled and lost,but that doesn't mean that Roy Williams won't be a player for this team.

Craig

 

[TheSport78]

Last year, Tony Romo got well deserved criticism for trying to force the ball to T.O. After the season was over, and T.O. was shipped out, one of the mottos on offense was: " we're going to spread the ball. We're going to get everybody involved ".

After 5 games in the 2009 season:

( Targeted = " thrown the ball to " )

Jason Witten = 5 games, 33 times
Patrick Crayton = 5 games, 32 times
Miles Austin = 5 games, 27 times
Roy Williams = 4 games, 25 times.
Tashard Choice = 5 games, 17 times.


Now, here's the question:

Do you Cowboys' fans want the Cowboys to go back and throw the ball to Roy Williams an average of approx 10-15 times per game ( the way Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Randy Moss, get targeted ) so he can justify in your eyes his position on the team OR do you want the Cowboys to keep distributing the ball, trying to get everybody involved, trying to stay with the " throw it to the open man " philosophy ?


Which one do you want ?

I simply want Roy to make a big play in a BIG GAME. Roy's plays have come against the Bucs and the Panthers, but disappeared against the Giants and the Broncos. I'm not putting any blame on Romo, I just don't think he's used to his WR's not getting separation so he's holding on to the ball longer.

History has shown that Romo can have a great game in BIG games (Colts in 06', Eagles, Giants and Packers in 07'). I'm not worried about him. I'm worried about Roy being that WR who can make the BIG play in crucial situations. I have my doubts.

 

[craig71]

The one thing that bothers me the most about Roy is his on the field body language. It just seems like something is off with him. I don't know if it's him not getting the ball, being tired, or doesn't like running precise routes; it just doesn't look normal. Thoughts?

That same thing could be said about almost any player on the roster at this point in the season.

Craig

 

[Angus]

The one thing that bothers me the most about Roy is his on the field body language. It just seems like something is off with him. I don't know if it's him not getting the ball, being tired, or doesn't like running precise routes; it just doesn't look normal. Thoughts?

The main reason Romo does not throw to him more, I think. He can't trust Williams to be where he is supposed to be if the ball is thrown. And when it is thrown to where Williams is supposed to be to catch it, he is not there.

 

[TheSport78]

The main reason Romo does not throw to him more, I think. He can't trust Williams to be where he is supposed to be if the ball is thrown. And when it is thrown to where Williams is supposed to be to catch it, he is not there.

Good point.

 

[Bleu Star]

The reason it matters what Roy Williams gets paid is because there is a finite amount of money allocated in the cap, and money spent to pay Roy is NOT available to pay anyone else. That means fewer possible players, or not being able to pay a particular player an in-demand wage.

I am not sure why we're even talking about this - Roy Williams is Joey Galloway part deux. He is a receiver we seriously overpaid for, not only in contract but in assets to acquire.

When a WR gets such damnably faint praise for "downfield blocking", then you know you are dealing with underperformance.

I like RW, but he is a terrible value for the franchise and will never be a guy who defenses have to account for.

Way to insert common fantasy into an otherwise sensible thread. You nailed it.

 

[Bleu Star]

Roy had a year, does he have a learning disability along with his asthma?

That's the only logical explanation.