A movie franchise rescue?

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  1. Runwildboys

    Runwildboys Well-Known Member

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    I loved Goldblum in that! It's hilarious to see someone be so dorky, smarmy, and remorseless, all at the same time.
     
  2. DallasEast

    DallasEast Cowboys 24/7/365 Staff Member

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    Silly? We do not agree in that aspect. A fight between a Lantern bearer and an enemy would require near instantaneous continuous thought. What type of mental complex inventory would anyone draw from in a split second between blows? I would think the appropriate choices would be between those that are the most simple to recall, conceive, and create. Just my opinion though.
     
  3. stasheroo

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    I can certainly see how people could take it that way.
     
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  4. DallasEast

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    Out of the two Elders seen thus far in the MCU, I thought Benicio Del Toro presented his The Collector far better than Goldblum has with Grandmaster.
     
  5. DallasEast

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    I understand. :)
     
  6. DallasEast

    DallasEast Cowboys 24/7/365 Staff Member

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    FYI: taking a break guys. Check back later.
     
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  7. Runwildboys

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    My thought process is this: Why develop a whole (for example) Samurai warrior to swing a sword, when you can simply conjure a blade to cut through your enemy's neck? Are the details necessary for the laws of physics to apply?
     
  8. Runwildboys

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    I prefer Goldblum. Much more character and personality. I could picture just about anyone as The Collector, to be honest....other than Clint Eastwood.
     
  9. LittleBoyBlue

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    Man.. you ain’t kidding. Not the same feel... like it was purposely done to be Superhero BIG.
     
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  10. LittleBoyBlue

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    I mean I get it when it comes to BvS and justice league. Neither is very good. Disjointed and odd and corny but.... for me.... seeing the “Superfriends” on the big screen buys a lot of forgiveness.
     
  11. stasheroo

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    Is that your way of saying you liked Justice League?
    :huh:
     
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  12. LittleBoyBlue

    LittleBoyBlue Redvolution

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    Sorry I wasn’t clear.

    There was lots wrong with it but YES I LIKED IT!
     
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  13. stasheroo

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    I agree with you. It was certainly flawed but I thought it got more grief than it deserved.
     
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  14. DallasEast

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    Justice League is an example for why I finally stopped analyzing audience reaction as strongly as I did years ago. I witnessed reaction to Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, saw Justice League and immediately thought, "oh boy." I thought JL would catch more grief than BvS and it has not in my opinion.
     
  15. stasheroo

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    I thought the opposite. I thought that based on the Batman v Superman backlash that Justice League was treated unfairly.

    To me it is and always has been Zack Snyder. They picked the wrong man for the job. He made two huge mistakes in my opinion:
    1. He tried to make everything dark and gritty, like Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight films. What works there for that character doesn't work for an entire universe.
    2. He bit off more than he could chew and tried to cram far, far too much material into single films. I can appreciate his enthusiasm, but he ended up over-complicating everything he touched.
    And the proof is in the pudding. Their most successful films have been those that he has had little to no involvement with, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman, coincidentally, two of the lesser-regarded names in DC's universe to that point.
     
  16. DeathMonkey

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    Regarding point 2, it might not have been his fault. Typically when that happens, it's studio execs meddling that causes that.
     
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  17. stasheroo

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    I think it was that at the end, when the results were not meeting expectations, but not at the beginning. I think that was "his vision" and a convoluted one it was. See Sucker Punch for an example of the destruction Snyder can cause if left unchecked.

    But yeah, I firmly believe that Justice League was taken away from him. I know about the issues with his daughter, but I also know that he wanted to return to the project and the studio said no. There's only so much another director in Whedon could do at that point, and trying to mash up two disparate visions worked to the overall film's detriment.

    Justice League should have been Warner Bros Avengers. Instead, it turned out to be an exit for their biggest characters and a soft reboot of their entire Universe.
     
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  18. DallasEast

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    Not sure if Snyder should or should not be blamed but the constant retelling of origin stories in detail should not be necessary anymore. Most original movies are now canon material for audiences, old and young.

    Man of Steel and BvS are two examples of movies where large parts of origin stories could have been left out in favor of the larger movie plot. I like how Spider-Man; Homecoming basically dissed how Peter Parker became Webhead. It was a logical thing to do since 'everyone' knows and has an inkling how Parker becomes Spider-Man from the earlier movies.
     
  19. stasheroo

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    I agree, and the same old "origin story routine" get really old, really fast. I actually like how Marvel has introduced several secondary characters within the context of other films rather than having to give everyone their own movie. Conversely, Warner Bros' decision to jump right into Justice League while trying to backfill in stories for Flash and Cyborg at the same time? That was a failure.

    Even Hawkeye and Black Widow had introductions in other films first prior to the original Avengers film. A quick flash of a few videos in Batman v Superman doesn't cut it.

    Looking forward, I'm curious as to whether Captain Marvel's origin will be told in a unique enough way so as not to feel "been here, done this"?
     
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  20. DallasEast

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    You say soft. I say marshmallow.

    I have my fingers crossed for the future post-JL DCEU. Aquaman was a solid start in my opinion.

    Hopefully, the little things will not continue bugging me. For example, I positively loved Superman's suit in MoS and BvS. His JL suit made me want to gag. On the other hand, I was anxious about Arthur ditching the brown/black Atlantean suit he wore in JL in favor of the traditional pre-Crisis of Infinite Earths suit. I must admit the updated but classically lined orange and yellow outfit looked good on Jason Mamoa.
     

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