A thought for you Jerry bashers...

Doomsday101

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When Jerry Jones bought this team he said from day 1 he would be involved in every aspect of this team from the socks to the jocks and that has never changed. When things have gone bad he has taken the heat I think he deserves the credit for the success as well from the beginning to the present.
 

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mickgreen58;1876425 said:
I really hate to talk about Jerry Jones not being around, but I think we will have to lose him for some fans to eventually appreciate just what type of owner he is.
Two words: Dan Synder.
 

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Doomsday101;1876448 said:
When Jerry Jones bought this team he said from day 1 he would be involved in every aspect of this team from the socks to the jocks and that has never changed. When things have gone bad he has taken the heat I think he deserves the credit for the success as well from the beginning to the present.


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BigDFan5;1876308 said:
So if I go find an article saying Jerry was responsible for making trades and some draft picks that contradicts this article, you will say what?

I'll say as of now, I've shown you two (articles), complete with quotes from the men that made it happen, why it happened, and some of their insights as to what direction they wanted to go in and what vision they had for the team; Up until now, you haven't shown me any.

BigDFan5;1876308 said:
I go by the version that the men themselves happened, they both worked together doing these things

The versions I posted links for are from the DMN, complete with quotes from the men themselves. I don't know what else you're looking for. I don't think Jimmy was a business man that could have done for the Cowboys and the NFL what Jerry did no more than I fancy Jerry as a personnel guru who picked/drafted players in those years. They were an unstoppable team and I'll always be grateful for those years. I don't know why so many people take that as a personal slight against Jerry Jones.


http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sharedc...lassic/recordbook/draft/1989/042589draft.html


Johnson's draft game plan pays off
4/25/1989
By BERNIE MIKLASZ / The Dallas Morning News

For his first NFL draft, Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson established an agenda and followed it faithfully.

After selecting 14 players, Johnson declared Monday that he had satisfied his checklist. "We were pleased with what we drafted," Johnson said. "I would be disappointed if we don't have at least three or four of them start as rookies."
Surprisingly poised for a first-year NFL head coach, Johnson headed into the draft room early Sunday morning with firm ideas about what to do. Yes, he sought players to fill specific positions. Teams coming off 3-13 seasons have major, easily identified needs.

But Johnson was also on the lookout for a specific style of player: guys who can run and hit. Guys who love to compete. Guys who were well known to him. Guys who fit – in talent and temperament – the attacking, high-pressure style Johnson plans to utilize on both sides of the ball.

Johnson came out of the draft room late Monday afternoon with just about everything he wanted – and then some. He made a successful trade with the Raiders – moving down a few spots in the second round – to gain two extra draft choices in the first five rounds.

It was an impressive first draft, especially considering that Johnson had only two months to prepare. Johnson's list of accomplishments in the 1989 draft:

• Johnson wanted instant impact.

So with his first two picks, he landed two centerpieces for the 1990s, UCLA quarterback Troy Aikman and Syracuse fullback Daryl Johnston. Concerned about the unsettled offensive line, Johnson used his first third-round choice for Pitt's Mark Stepnoski, who is capable of starting at three positions: right guard, left guard or center.

• Johnson wanted help for his defensive front seven.

So he drafted three defensive linemen in the first five rounds: Florida's Rhondy Weston, UTEP's Tony Tolbert and Florida's Jeff Roth. All three should contribute as rookies, because Johnson plans to rotate his defensive linemen to keep everyone fresh and ready to rush the quarterback.
Johnson took a linebacker in rounds five, seven, 10 and 11.

• He wanted competitors.

Perhaps because he inherited a Cowboys team that lost five games by a field goal or less last season and a team that usually faltered in the fourth quarter, Johnson went for spirited players who won't quit.
"For the most part, these players are overachievers," Johnson said. "They are tough players. Contact players who don't mind hard work and who enjoy competition. Players who like to mix it up."

• Johnson wanted players he knew.

Johnson or his staff personally checked out 12 of the 14 draftees. The only two who are relatively unfamiliar to him are Peterson and running back Charvez Foger (No. 8).

Johnson scouted some of the players. He coached others in post-season all-star games. And his University of Miami team faced others. It eliminated much of the guesswork involved in NFL drafting. Johnson didn't have to rely on clues.

"We had prior knowledge of just about all of them before we came to Dallas," he said. "And it gave us some insight."

In one case, Johnson's diligent background work paid off in a selection that might have provided that missing pass rusher. A lot of NFL scouts didn't know what to make of UTEP's Tolbert, a 6-6 blitzing outside linebacker who weighed only 227 pounds. Some questioned Tolbert's 4.9 speed.

Johnson has a history of successfully converting outside linebackers to end; he did so with Dexter Manley at Oklahoma State. Tolbert intrigued him. Johnson learned that Tolbert had gained weight and was up to 245 pounds. Then he timed Tolbert at 4.75 in the 40. With a more close-up inspection, Johnson came up with a speed rusher that others overlooked.

• In another slap at Cowboys vice president of player personnel Gil Brandt, Johnson said wanted to stay away from taking project-type selections such as linebacker Ken Norton, the team's No. 2 pick last year.
"I don't like to get into the might-bes," Johnson said. "I want players who can play."

But when Johnson did take a gamble, it was well calculated and relatively safe. An example was tight end Keith Jennings in the fifth round. It was a poor draft for tight ends, and Johnson needs one who can become a receiving threat.

Jennings was a 6-4, 225-pound wide receiver at Clemson. "Very few teams thought that he could play tight end," Johnson said. Johnson thought that Jennings had the frame for the position and went to Clemson to work Jennings out. Johnson saw that Jennings had bulked up to 260 pounds without losing much speed and figured it was worth a No. 5 pick.

During his two days in the draft room, Johnson sat next to his friend and employer, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones.

"Jerry was pretty excitable," Johnson said, smiling. "But I was happy that he didn't give us a lot of suggestions."

As it turned out, Johnson didn't need any.
 

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BigDFan5;1876356 said:
Facts? What facts he had an article that didnt say anything substantive, I can post an article saying Jerry was making these decisions. If I do will you consider the article a fact?

Please do.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;1876387 said:
Good grief. It's his team. He can do anything he wants to (obviously).

If that is the worst thing he does, then the Cowboys have a great owner.

If there is a better, more involved, more enthusiastic owners in the NFL, I'd like to know about that owner.
No one comes close.
And jerra has three rings to prove it.

zrinkill;1876406 said:
Now I have to rethink my whole opinion.
:eek:

There's a possibility for world peace after all......!!!:D
 

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There is no doubt that Jimmy played a very big role, most of the guys we drafted were guys that Jimmy has seen through the days of recruiting at Maimi. However to think Jerry played no role I think is misguided. Myself I have never had an issue giving credit for those involved only thing that hacks me off is the BS that any thing that has gone wrong was all Jerry but if something good happens well someone else did that not Jerry. Jerry has been and always will be very involved with every aspect of this team and while no one man deserves all the credit Jerry certainly deserves his fair share which seems to be a big problem for some.
 

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Doomsday101;1876479 said:
There is no doubt that Jimmy played a very big role, most of the guys we drafted were guys that Jimmy has seen through the days of recruiting at Maimi. However to think Jerry played no role I think is misguided. Myself I have never had an issue giving credit for those involved only thing that hacks me off is the BS that any thing that has gone wrong was all Jerry but if something good happens well someone else did that not Jerry. Jerry has been and always will be very involved with every aspect of this team and while no one man deserves all the credit Jerry certainly deserves his fair share which seems to be a big problem for some.

I have always thought of it as a 70-30 thing. Jerry is the best at owning.
One of the worst at GMing. He struck gold twice. Jimmy and Bill. He didn't learn after Jimmy and I'm hoping he did after Bill.
The years in between were horrendous.
 

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Dave_in-NC;1876491 said:
I have always thought of it as a 70-30 thing. Jerry is the best at owning.
One of the worst at GMing. He struck gold twice. Jimmy and Bill. He didn't learn after Jimmy and I'm hoping he did after Bill.
The years in between were horrendous.

Well remember Jerry also picked up FA like Owens, I love BP but I don't believe for a second that BP went to Jerry and said please go get TO. He also went out and got Davis and Hamlin. I do think Jerry has learned over the years and that does not mean he has learned not to get involved I think he is very involved in personnel moves but I think now it is based on opinions and debate. After all it was Jones and the scouting department that over ruled BP on taking Newman instead of DT Kevin Williams
 

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Dave_in-NC;1876491 said:
I have always thought of it as a 70-30 thing. Jerry is the best at owning.
One of the worst at GMing. He struck gold twice. Jimmy and Bill. He didn't learn after Jimmy and I'm hoping he did after Bill.
The years in between were horrendous.

That's about right. Good summation.
 

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ladiewolve;1875678 said:
He might have been doing a good job...but I still wish he would stay off the da** field when ever a game is not going the way he wants. I would think that it would just make the players more nervous with him out there pacing around. I hate it when he goes out there!!

Let me see. I spent 60 million in signing bonues. I own the team. I am the GM. I pretty much own the stadium and the seats you sit in and you don't want to allow me to go down to the sidelines?

It looks funny on TV I know. Again - I ask you.

I spent 60 million in signing bonues. I own the team. I am the GM. I pretty much own the stadium and the seats you sit in and you don't want to allow me to go down to the sidelines?

How would you like it if I said you can't sit on your front porch at your house? You can only stay inside and on occasion come outside to play on the LAWN only, but you cannot be on the porch. How would that make you feel?


Why can't I? :rolleyes:
 

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Dallas;1876570 said:
Let me see. I spent 60 million in signing bonues. I own the team. I am the GM. I pretty much own the stadium and the seats you sit in and you don't want to allow me to go down to the sidelines?

It looks funny on TV I know. Again - I ask you.

I spent 60 million in signing bonues. I own the team. I am the GM. I pretty much own the stadium and the seats you sit in and you don't want to allow me to go down to the sidelines?


Why can't I? :rolleyes:

Wouldn't you do the same? I know I would. Hell I'm paying these players I may as well go down there and give my encouragement to them and show them I'm fully supporting them. I would think the players like the fact that with Jerry it is not all about the money he wants to win
 

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Doomsday101;1876580 said:
Wouldn't you do the same? I know I would. Hell I'm paying these players I may as well go down there and give my encouragement to them and show them I'm fully supporting them. I would think the players like the fact that with Jerry it is not all about the money he wants to win

With Jones it's all about winning. That is why I love the guy. :star:

I think he is the best owner in the league.

We could have the Bengals or Cardinals or Philthy owners. Which would you prefer?

Give me JJ all day.
 

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BigDFan5;1876356 said:
Facts? What facts he had an article that didnt say anything substantive, I can post an article saying Jerry was making these decisions. If I do will you consider the article a fact?

Dodger12;1876468 said:
Please do.


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Dallas;1876608 said:
With Jones it's all about winning. That is why I love the guy. :star:

I think he is the best owner in the league.

We could have the Bengals or Cardinals or Philthy owners. Which would you prefer?

Give me JJ all day.

I have been a Jones backer for a long time now and I love the fact this frachise should remain stable in the future after Jerry is gone. With Stephen Jones and Jerry Jones Jr involved in the operations of this team the Jones family should remain a big part of the Cowboys for a long time
 

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Doomsday101;1876448 said:
When Jerry Jones bought this team he said from day 1 he would be involved in every aspect of this team from the socks to the jocks and that has never changed. When things have gone bad he has taken the heat I think he deserves the credit for the success as well from the beginning to the present.

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