A thought for you Jerry bashers...

[zrinkill]

Sorry for going to work, maybe next time I can call in sick :laugh2:


http://www.sportingnews.com/archives/sports2000/trends/143678.html

Ten years ago today, Jerry Jones bought one of the most storied franchises in sports -- the Dallas Cowboys. TSN's Dan Pompei analyzes what Jones has meant to the Cowboys and the league.

The only people who think Jerry Jones hasn't been good for the Cowboys and the NFL must live in our nation's capital, and wear pig snouts or feathered headdresses to games. In 10 years, Jones took a floundering franchise and turned it into a three-time Super Bowl winner and six-time NFC East winner.


The best move he made was hiring Jimmy Johnson. Some of his other good moves were the Herschel Walker trade, dealing Steve Walsh to the Saints for first- and third-round picks, drafting Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith and Larry Allen, trading for Charles Haley, signing Deion Sanders away from the rival 49ers and hiring Chan Gailey.


Jones has been more to the Cowboys than any other NFL owner has been to his team. The Cowboys, and their success, are a testament to Jones' brilliance. He has been a salesman and a showman, a decision-maker who isn't shy about taking credit and blame. His fingerprints are all over every aspect of the Cowboys.


Jones has been a pioneer in marketing his team. Many others have followed his lead. He has made the Cowboys "America's team" again, and quite possibly the most valuable sports franchise in the world. He was at the forefront of the whole concept of making games a corporate event.
What's more, Jones has had an impact on the entire NFL. He is an influential voice on league matters, as influential as any owner. He was on the executive committee for the NFL management council when the collective bargaining agreement was extended. He was on the broadcast committee when the new television deal was struck. And he is one of the few owners to ever hold a seat on the competition committee, which suggests rules changes.


Jones hasn't been perfect, mind you. He may be a little too involved with running the Cowboys. Their personnel staff could be better with a couple more experienced men whose last names aren't Jones. Maybe there was something else Jones could have done to keep Johnson happy. He seemed to have underestimated Johnson's importance to his team. Even though the Cowboys won a Super Bowl with Barry Switzer, hiring him was a mistake. But the positives Jones has brought the Cowboys far outweigh the negatives.


His greatest challenge is ahead of him in the next few years -- making the transition from the Aikman-Smith Cowboys to the next generation. Rebuilding the Cowboys won't be easy, as they are sure to have major salary cap problems. But if anyone can do it, Jones can.

He thought he had finally won an argument against you and got excited.

 

[Bach]

You must think we're all idiots,

Not all, just you and a couple of others.

 

[Bach]

Liar... you start salivatin' and your eyes glaze over each and every time you see a Jerry thread... if you had the money, I have little doubt you'd have your very own Jerry voodoo doll...

I'm a liar? Based on what? You really need to get your facts straight before you go around making silly accusations.

Salivatin', eyes glaze, voodoo doll?

Seriously man, you're a trip. Not idolizing our owner, like you and a few others do, isn't the same as hating.

 

[Bach]

Pro Football Weekly
April 2003

Is your team looking to move up? Not in terms of social status, mind you, or even the standings, but rather in the NFL draft. Or maybe your team is looking to trade down.

Get out your calculators then.

It is now common practice for NFL teams to follow a “draft chart,” which assigns numeric values to every draft pick from No. 1 (3,000 points) to the final pick in the seventh round, No. 262 (0.4 point). The idea of the chart is to create some kind of standard for assessing fair value for trades. And, the way we hear it, there could be a lot of them this weekend.

The practice was brought into vogue by former Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson, who came up with the value system as his Cowboys engineered some of the best trades in the late 1980s and early 1990s as they were building the closest thing to a dynasty that the NFL has seen the past two decades.

The principal deals:

In 1989, Johnson and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones fleeced Vikings GM Mike Lynn by sending RB Herschel Walker and a few late-round picks for five players, including LB Jesse Solomon and CB Isaac Holt, plus three first-round picks, three seconds and a third. That trade set the ball rolling for Dallas to accumulate a boatload of picks with which to deal down the road.

Then Dallas traded QB Steve Walsh — Troy Aikman’s backup but still highly thought of — for first-, second- and third-round picks.

Following these player-draft pick deals, Dallas was then able to maneuver up or down the draft, confident it could not only unearth diamonds in the rough lower in the draft but also package extra picks to move up and get the player it wanted. Johnson’s chart was devised from studying the value of trades over a period of 10 years. Johnson’s research must have paid off: He made 55 trades in five years.

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Let's see. For not having much say in personnel, Johnson really went to a lot of trouble researching and putting this chart together for Jerry so Jerry could make all those blockbuster deals and picks. :laugh2:

 

[zrinkill]

In 1989, Johnson and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones fleeced Vikings GM Mike Lynn by sending RB Herschel Walker and a few late-round picks for five players, including LB Jesse Solomon and CB Isaac Holt, plus three first-round picks, three seconds and a third.

Since you seemed to miss it.

For not having much say in personnel, Johnson really went to a lot of trouble researching and putting this chart together for Jerry so Jerry could make all those blockbuster deals and picks.

Who here has said that Jimmy did not have much say in personnel? You and your partner in silly are the only "fans" who thinks one person had all the control and the other just watched. Funny how the very article you post denies that.

Here is a hint ..... try reading them before you post them.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm not going to claim that Jerry knew anywhere near as much as Jimmy about players they wanted to acquire, but it's pretty well known that Bob Ackles was the one who really came up with that draft value chart.

Jimmy never went out of his way to discourage the idea that he was a genius.

 

[iceberg]

Pro Football Weekly
April 2003

Is your team looking to move up? Not in terms of social status, mind you, or even the standings, but rather in the NFL draft. Or maybe your team is looking to trade down.

Get out your calculators then.

It is now common practice for NFL teams to follow a “draft chart,” which assigns numeric values to every draft pick from No. 1 (3,000 points) to the final pick in the seventh round, No. 262 (0.4 point). The idea of the chart is to create some kind of standard for assessing fair value for trades. And, the way we hear it, there could be a lot of them this weekend.

The practice was brought into vogue by former Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson, who came up with the value system as his Cowboys engineered some of the best trades in the late 1980s and early 1990s as they were building the closest thing to a dynasty that the NFL has seen the past two decades.

The principal deals:

In 1989, Johnson and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones fleeced Vikings GM Mike Lynn by sending RB Herschel Walker and a few late-round picks for five players, including LB Jesse Solomon and CB Isaac Holt, plus three first-round picks, three seconds and a third. That trade set the ball rolling for Dallas to accumulate a boatload of picks with which to deal down the road.

Then Dallas traded QB Steve Walsh — Troy Aikman’s backup but still highly thought of — for first-, second- and third-round picks.

Following these player-draft pick deals, Dallas was then able to maneuver up or down the draft, confident it could not only unearth diamonds in the rough lower in the draft but also package extra picks to move up and get the player it wanted. Johnson’s chart was devised from studying the value of trades over a period of 10 years. Johnson’s research must have paid off: He made 55 trades in five years.

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Let's see. For not having much say in personnel, Johnson really went to a lot of trouble researching and putting this chart together for Jerry so Jerry could make all those blockbuster deals and picks. :laugh2:

so, your own article gives both credit and another poster reminds you it's ackles who made the chart, not johnson.

give up yet?

 

[Bach]

Since you seemed to miss it.



Who here has said that Jimmy did not have much say in personnel? You and your partner in silly are the only "fans" who thinks one person had all the control and the other just watched. Funny how the very article you post denies that.

Here is a hint ..... try reading them before you post them.

No one here thinks one person had all the control. I try to be clear when I mention Jimmy, the staff and scouts. I agreed with another posters assertion that it was more like 70/30 Jimmy/Jerry.

I know Jerry played a key role in negotiations and signings.

I just find it humorous the people who post, but Jerry won three Super Bowls as GM!!?!!!!!111

As if he was the main brains behind the whole operation, which is exactly what they are insinuating, when reality shows he had the title because he gave it to himself, but the great scouting dept and Jimmy were the keys to selecting players back then.

 

[Bach]

so, your own article gives both credit and another poster reminds you it's ackles who made the chart, not johnson.

give up yet?

Like I said, I don't think one person did 100% of the work. But I'm not dumb enough to think it was 50/50 either.

 

[percyhoward]

His recent past, especially the 2007 season, give us reason to hope. I wouldn't give any more weight to what Jerry Jones was doing in the 90's than I would to Romo's high school stats.

 

[iceberg]

Like I said, I don't think one person did 100% of the work. But I'm not dumb enough to think it was 50/50 either.

what difference does it make? together they did something neither has done alone. it's as if you're hunting for reasons to bash jones and just being obtuse.

 

[Bach]

what difference does it make? together they did something neither has done alone. it's as if you're hunting for reasons to bash jones and just being obtuse.

I'm not hunting anything.

And I think it makes a big difference. It shows that we are at our best when we have good personnel men, like Johnson/Ackles/Wooten or like BP/Ireland, as opposed to when JJ surrounds himself with incompetents like Lacewell.

Some people act like it's no big deal because Jerry won SB's before. BUT, he only won them by having great personnel people around him. And we are only back in contention now, because we had great personnel people around the last few years.

That's the point.

 

[silverbear]

Not all, just you and a couple of others.

You can probably anticipate getting a warning, if not an infraction, for that bit of "wit"...

But hey, maybe it was worth it to ya... LOL...

 

[Bach]

You can probably anticipate getting a warning, if not an infraction, for that bit of "wit"...

But hey, maybe it was worth it to ya... LOL...

You don't want an answer to your question, then guess what? Don't ask it.

 

[iceberg]

I'm not hunting anything.

And I think it makes a big difference. It shows that we are at our best when we have good personnel men, like Johnson/Ackles/Wooten or like BP/Ireland, as opposed to when JJ surrounds himself with incompetents like Lacewell.

Some people act like it's no big deal because Jerry won SB's before. BUT, he only won them by having great personnel people around him. And we are only back in contention now, because we had great personnel people around the last few years.

That's the point.

so if these great people are such a slam dunk, how many superbowls did johnson get in miami? i mean, it was him, right?

a team is a team and getting so focused on the individual is what killed one of the greatest combo's in the NFL.

some people just like slapping jones around so they can feel better.

that's what i see regardless of what you say.

 

[silverbear]

I'm a liar? Based on what?

Your claim that you don't hate Jerry, after expending so much time and bandwidth trashing the guy...

"It's great when you're the boss and can take credit for your employees work."

"It wasn't to Jerry, because he thinks he's the brains behind it all anyways."

" I'm sick of it, but that's what we generally get from Jerruh."

And when Catch17 opined that "There is positives with having Jerry as a GM and there is negatives.", your sarcastic response was "what's some of the positives?", clearly implying there weren't any... now in this thread, suddenly you're willing to give Jerry SOME credit...

They call that talking out of both sides of your mouth...

Note that all of these insults have been posted in the past 24 hours, in an assortment of threads... and they all came from your keyboard... but you don't hate the guy...

SURE you don't... I shudder to think of how you'd talk about somebody you DID hate, then...

 

[silverbear]

You don't want an answer to your question, then guess what? Don't ask it.

I see-- you were incapable of answering the question (which was obviously rhetorical in the first place), without breaking the rules of this board... seems to me a really intelligent man would be able to get his sarcastic point across and still stay within the rules, did I overestimate your intelligence??

Well, you'll either learn how to play by the rules, or the mods will deal with you... it ain't no biggie to me either way... my natural instinct, of course, is to swap insults with you, but I kinda want to stick around a while... you have no idea how fortunate you are that I feel that way, LOL...

 

[Bach]

Well, you'll either learn how to play by the rules, or the mods will deal with you... it ain't no biggie to me either way... my natural instinct, of course, is to swap insults with you, but I kinda want to stick around a while... you have no idea how fortunate you are that I feel that way, LOL...

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[dogunwo]

Not all, just you and a couple of others.

Bach, you are so hilarious.

I apologize to everyone for unintentionally luring Bach into this thread, and getting him going. Please don't burn me at the stake.

 

[CowboyJeff]

Who were SO savagely critical of him last year, right after Parcells bailed out...

You guys were SO certain that Jerry was screwing up, hiring an offensive coordinator before he hired a head coach... no playoff team could function that way, you told us...

Well, here we are, at the end of the regular season, the Cowboys are 13-3, teams are raiding our staff-- the staff that Jerry put together-- for talent, and that offensive coordinator that Jerry was SO stupid to hire is one of the hottest names out there among teams looking for a new head coach...

So, as incompetent as some of you would have us believe Jerry the GM is, it sure looks like his decisions last offseason were sound, right down the line...

Naturally, this will not keep you Jerry bashers from trashing him again this offseason... indeed, it's already started, as the Chicken Littles are out in full force in the wake of Jeff Ireland moving on to the Fins... never mind that most close to the situation are confident that Tom Ciskowski will be able to take over for Ireland without the Cowboys missing a beat...

Technically, you can say Jerry did everything. He is the owner and GM. Realistically, he did not put together Ireland or Sparano. My biggest gripe with Jerry has always been that he listens to people he should not listen to on draft day, namely Larry Lacewell.