Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[mattjames2010]

We do? We have a proven failure and some scrubs. You call that depth?

Proven failure as a STARTING RB. McFadden has been a respectable backup, the same with Randle.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Proven failure as a STARTING RB. McFadden has been a respectable backup, the same with Randle.

They aren't on Peterson's level = thus scrubs.

 

[ufcrules1]

lol at you 2 talking up DMC and Randle. Only thing Randle is good at is stealing underwear. Both will probably be out of the league in a year.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

lol at you 2 talking up DMC and Dunbar.

Yup. If only they were pro bowlers.

 

[Thatkidbob]

This is a great thread for figuring out who to ignore.

I can't believe this is still going on.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So looking back at HoF RB over the years you have Sweetness, Emmitt, and Curtis Martin who were able to carry the load post age 29 and then you have everyone else.

Since success rate of rookies 1st and 2nd rounders has been brought up I figured context was important. While Half of rookies fail, the vast majority of HoF RB in their thirties fail. Eric Dickerson, Jerome Bettis, Gayle Sayers, Marshall Faulk, Floyd Little, Roger Craig, Thurman Thomas, Earl Campbell and Marcus Allen all tanked by 30.

 

[mattjames2010]

lol at you 2 talking up DMC and Randle. Only thing Randle is good at is stealing underwear. Both will probably be out of the league in a year.

Talking them up as backups. What are you having trouble with here? No one is saying these two will be 2,000 yard rushers, and no, we are no saying they are better than your precious Peterson.

We are saying they are good depth for whatever RB we draft. That is all!

 

[mattjames2010]

So looking back at HoF RB over the years you have Sweetness, Emmitt, and Curtis Martin who were able to carry the load post age 29 and then you have everyone else.

Since success rate of rookies 1st and 2nd rounders has been brought up I figured context was important. While Half of rookies fail, the vast majority of HoF RB in their thirties fail. Eric Dickerson, Jerome Bettis, Gayle Sayers, Marshall Faulk, Floyd Little, Roger Craig, Thurman Thomas, Earl Campbell and Marcus Allen all tanked by 30.

But Peterson is a mythological creature with Wolverine healing powers, remember?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

But Peterson is a mythological creature with Wolverine healing powers, remember?

Emmitt, Sweetness, and Martin never had serious knee injuries prior to 30.

 

[Stash]

Maybe you missed this post.

Don't really care much about it because we're not talking about an average running back. Peterson is a once a decade, Hall of Fame caliber talent.

 

[Stash]

That's not the full picture.

It is McFadden/Randle/Williams PLUS a 1st round pick PLUS 8M+ per season in cap space to add other players over the next few years.

How many of the past 5 Super Bowl winners won because they went All-In on a player?

So you're automatically assuming they have to give up the first round pick?

Or do you assume that simply for a negative position?

 

[Stash]

That's not the full picture.

It is McFadden/Randle/Williams PLUS a 1st round pick PLUS 8M+ per season in cap space to add other players over the next few years.

How many of the past 5 Super Bowl winners won because they went All-In on a player?

The New England Patriots. During our most recent season.

 

[Stash]

No, he is s great RB that is nearing the end of a great career. He could give the team two or three years. A RB like Gurley could give his entire career to Dallas. If he is drafted in the first round, Dallas will get a minimum of five years out of him.

But they might not get year one. While Romo gets one more year closer to the end and this team having no quarterback.

And no shot.

 

[Stash]

Agreed. But the RB didn't change, the OL did. We made sure we kept our starters on the OL so that our running game will stay intact. Even if AP can show he is still the best running back in the game for a year or two, we don't need that to have an effective running game with this OL.

Murray got 1000 of his 1800 yards before first contact. People should let that sink in.

Exactly! And Peterson is a far superior running back. So same line plays superior talent equals even better results.

And who wants an 'effective running game'?

I want a dominating one.

 

[mattjames2010]

And Murray nearly got a thousand after contact.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/03/04/free-agent-profile-demarco-murray/

"Though the Dallas offensive line was rightly lauded for fine performances over the season, that shouldn’t take attention away from what Murray was achieving behind them. In addition to leading the league in rushing, Murray nearly eclipsed 1,000 rushing yards after contact and forced the second-most missed tackles with 55. He had particularly good success on first down to often set Dallas up with good situations on second down. Among runners with at least 60 first down carries, Murray ranked fifth with 4-plus yard gains on 39% of those attempts. His 2.68 yards after contact average on first down also ranked in the Top 10."

Would you look at that? It's like both Murray and our line made each other look great. Crazy!

 

[Stash]

So looking back at HoF RB over the years you have Sweetness, Emmitt, and Curtis Martin who were able to carry the load post age 29 and then you have everyone else.

Since success rate of rookies 1st and 2nd rounders has been brought up I figured context was important. While Half of rookies fail, the vast majority of HoF RB in their thirties fail. Eric Dickerson, Jerome Bettis, Gayle Sayers, Marshall Faulk, Floyd Little, Roger Craig, Thurman Thomas, Earl Campbell and Marcus Allen all tanked by 30.

Don't forget Riggins. That guy had his career years at 34 and 35 years old.

Also don't forget the teams that those backs you mention had (or didn't have) around them too.

 

[Silver N Blue]

lol at you 2 talking up DMC and Randle. Only thing Randle is good at is stealing underwear. Both will probably be out of the league in a year.

It's pointless man. Absolutely pointless.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Emmitt, Sweetness, and Martin never had serious knee injuries prior to 30.

Great point but as fast as he came back can you really count it as anything other than an injury? He didn't just come back he dominated.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

In the past, going all in hasn't worked so well. If it does pay off with a Super Bowl, that would be great, but I don't want one Super Bowl every twenty years. For the first time since Jimmy left, this team is showing signs of being a well run organization with long term plans of sucess. I would much rather see the Cowboys be a legit Super Bowl contender every year like the Pats. I know the standard response is going to be that the team's sucess is over once Romo retires. There is no reason for that statement to be true if the team plans for Romo's departure and have a capable QB to take his place. I am not ready to go all in for one or two years and then throw in the towel when there will still be a lot of talent on the team such as Dez and a young oline that is considered to be the best in the league . That is too much talent to give up on and not be prepared to use those players for long term success. As an older fan, I liked the feeling of having a legit chance to win it all every year. I would rather plan for the long term instead of putting all my eggs in one basket for a two year period. I am sure that some fans will disagree, but that would change with a string of playoff appearances and a couple Super Bowl wins.

I don't really consider it going All-In. Did Seattle go All-in when they signed Percy or Lynch? Did NE go All-In when they signed Revis? Did the Packers go All-In when they signed Peppers? No, no they didn't.

They just recognized that they were good, and would most likely be pushing for a SB....and they rented some help. All teams do this.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I'm going to say it again he is coming to Dallas. Whether or not he comes will not change the way I get up in the morning. I think the ones that are going to be disappointed are the ones who won't be able to argue how old and washed up he is. He will be coming with fire he will be coming with a chip on his shoulder he will be coming to remind everyone why he is the best RB on the planet. Now take your doom and gloom speech elsewhere.

Thats exactly what I think will happen too.....

Yeah, we can understand the history of 30 year old back, people can post pretty charts and powerpoint presentations, and we can argue about picks and money etc etc.....thats all pretty fun.

But, when I watch AP play. And who he is. I dont really have much doubt about what were going to see from him, whether its with the Cowboys, Cardinals, or whoever.....

He is going to run the ball like he has been running the ball his entire life. That isnt going to change.

Will he get hurt? You can say that about anybody.... Gurley is coming off injury????

Will he be able to hold up? Will he get Tired? Maybe, but if you notice that, hold him back, let him get his legs back, and give him the rock with fresh legs, in that divisional playoff game or NFCCG when Romo is off, or when we need to kill the clock or when we need to take over the game..... use him wisely.