Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

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This is not a common occurrence but the WR for the Seachickens made a stink and forced his way out. Favre created a stink to get out of Green Bay. In general teams cut players with huge salaries all the time. That is just off the top of my head.

I agree. I dont see minny "wanting" to keep Peterson around. They will play.

Getting everybody on terms all parties are okay with, may be the tricky part. Minny, AP, and the team that gets him.
 

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Physical gifts and what happens when you age are two completely different topics. But genetics plays a role as well, and that is part of my point. I think it's a factor in why Sean Lee gets hurt and anyone player doesn't.

[quite]. tosb is otw.

Can you elaborate on this?

It is a huge risk as much as you want to ignore it to get your name.

No more 'huge' of a 'risk' than going into the draft and ending up with the next Felix or Julius Jones.

If you're eliminating Peterson because of his past knee injury, is Todd Gurley off limits for you as well?
 

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Still 4.5 per carry with a 78-yard Td and a QB that could barely fog a mirror.

Murray couldn't run 78 yards. At least not in a row.

Christian Ponder was his QB in 2012 and he had a career year. Same OL with Kalil Loadholt and Sullivan too.

AP 2012 over 2000 yards. AP 2013 1200 yards. I never said he wasn't good. I said he was declining,
 

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Can you elaborate on this?



No more 'huge' of a 'risk' than going into the draft and ending up with the next Felix or Julius Jones.

If you're eliminating Peterson because of his past knee injury, is Todd Gurley off limits for you as well?

Is Gurley 30?

Julius and Barber made an excellent RB committee in 2007 for as much as you poo on him.
 

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If this is accurate, he can stay in Minnesota in my opinion.

Much of what else Cole said about him needing to 'get nastier' I agree with, but if this is simply a ploy for more guaranteed money, I no longer want to be involved.

What type of contract are you willing to offer Peterson? Give me the absolute most you'd be willing to offer...MAXIMUM
 

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What makes this tricky is the restructuring/renegotiation. It's not like they can just trade with Dallas on the clock. The Cowboys will want a deal in place beforehand.

And every part of me says that Minnesota would rather trade him to anybody than Dallas, with Green Bay as the lone exception.

With the way the draft is structured now, there are plenty of opportunities to make trades between the early rounds. For instance, if Dallas doesn't get a back in the first round, it has the rest of that day and that night to work out the parameters of a contract.

I think the initial phase of that will be a simple restructure of this year's salary, which would allow him to get all of the money due him for 2015 guaranteed. Then, Dallas would have to spend next offseason working out a longer-term deal if he turns out to be what many of us believe him to still be.
 

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I would never agree to something like this unless that name is Adrian Peterson.
I responded by discussing the backs in your post. I don't believe you mentioned Simpson or Dickerson - if you did, I apologize for overlooking them. In terms of greatest of all time, Dickerson is in my top 5. As great as Simpson was, IMO, I would take Peterson over him.

As for Dickerson, you are right: he did fall off a cliff at age 30. He had the most upright running style - even going through the hole - of any back I can remember. He was 6'3" with 4.4 speed, had 400 or more touches in five different seasons, and it could well be that he simply lost his legs after seven years of punishment. Dickerson was, for me, one of the three most spectacular backs to watch play (Sayers, Dorsett) because of his acceleration and explosiveness. Peterson is built more solidly and stronger pound-for-pound than Dickerson, runs with more of a lean, and dishes out a lot of punishment of his own, more so than Dickerson or Simpson ever did.

Tony Dorsett was smaller but did not take as much punishment because he was more elusive than Dickerson. Dorsett ran a 4.38 at age 34 in the Denver training camp. At 31, Dorsett had his third best rushing season with the Cowboys, and at 29-30 Dorsett had a combined 3256 yd from scrimmage. By age 32, Hershel Walker was there and TD was a part-time player. For a 190 lb speed back, Dorsett still was producing in is early 30s. Simpson had a dramatic drop-off at age 30, but he only had three spectacular seasons out of his nine in Buffalo (which is surprising given he had a very good O-line). His last year in Buffalo and two season in SF were far from memorable.

Gale Sayers played only 50 NFL games when he was healthy. Adrian Peterson returned from a serious knee injury in nine months and came within nine yards of the all-time rushing record. The difference may have been medical advances between 1968 and 2011. If medical technology was then what it is now, I believe Sayers would have been producing jaw-dropping highlights when he was 29, 30, 31. But we will never know. What we do know is that Peterson, like Gale, sustained a serious knee injury and then returned in record time to fall just short of making history. That tells me something about the man's character and grit, just as Sayers showed such grit and determination in 1968-69 when Brian Piccolo pushed Gale hard during rehab to return from what was then a simply devastating injury.

I don't know the reason(s) why Brown and Barry retired in their prime (perhaps you know more than I in that regard). I had heard Brown wanted to get into acting. Barry was just tired of playing, as I recall. Both had a lot of tread left on their tires.

You are squarely in the camp that believes since backs hit a wall at age 30, the Cowboys should stay clear of Adrian Peterson. Your determining factor is age. I point out that Gale Sayers left football at age 27 because he was born decades before orthopedic surgeons could arthroscopically repair mangled knees, and that two other HOFers were still performing at an All-Pro level at age 29 or 30. I point all this out to counter your statement that the very backs I refer to were over and done with by age 29, and yet you dismiss my rebuttal out of hand and accuse me of some sort of bias.

I brought up Walter Payton because I watched his entire career. His determination, drive and off-season physical conditioning were the stuff of legend. Adrian Peterson, more than the vast majority of RBs who ever played, has those similar traits. For that reason, my expectation is that Peterson will return to the NFL with a chip on his shoulder and he will make a statement.

I'm an engineer; I work with numbers and formulae, facts and figures (my first posts on this forum dealt with deflated footballs and the Ideal Gas Law). I get it that, by and large, RBs hit a wall after age 29. One can plot performance versus age on an x-y plot, do a regression analysis and plot the best-fit straight line, but there will be outliers on that plot. IMO, Peterson would be one of those outliers. Is it conjecture on my part? Sure it is. There will be no empirical data until after the 2015 season. Neither will we know if Melvin Gordon is an offensive ROY candidate or a huge bust out of Wisconsin until after the season. I think Gordon will be a fine NFL back. I think he is far from an Adrian Peterson, however. Even a 30 year old Adrian Peterson.

I don't know if you ever watched Sayers play. I also watched Payton's career - I'm not sure if you did. I see something special in the guy who wears no. 28 in Minnesota - something that makes me think of that which set Payton and Sayers apart from the rest during their respective careers. If Peterson is wearing no. 28 in Dallas in 2015-16, I think the Cowboys can add another Lombardi Trophy to their shelf at Valley Ranch.

I responded to you based on the RBs you mentioned. I'm not an NFL historian but I've watched the very best since I was a young boy who marveled at no. 40, the Kansas Comet. My gut tells me that if no. 28 is lining up next to no. 9 in the Cowboys backfield this year, the Cowboys will win their sixth SB.

Again, all of this is simply my opinion. I have been wrong in the past - many, many times - and could very well be wrong again.

Thank you.

I'm a software engineer.

Adrian is the best of this generation and is highly motivated. I predict a monster year next year like 2012. not so sure about the year after that.
 

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This is goofy. AP has other options than to not show up at all.

He can show up and do the absolutely minimum and make waves in the locker room and still get paid $13m. Where is the leverage there?

Nobody is paying him $13m even them. They have no leverage come the first day of the season when his salary becomes guaranteed.

Exactly. If you saw the earlier tweet he wants his 13 mil to play with the Vikings insinuating what I mentioned as a possibility a few days ago, that the Vikings may have asked him to take a pay cut which led to him wanting out. Take a pay cut to stay in MIN or play in Dallas with a pay cut what do you think he wants to do?
 

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Is Gurley 30?

So now past injury isn't a factor? It sure seems like a cant win situation for Peterson then.

Julius and Barber made an excellent RB committee in 2007 for as much as you poo on him.

Julius Jones never lived up to the draft pick investment made in him, and Barber never came close to earning the contract he was given. We obviously blew it when we had the chance on the bellcow back in Steven Jackson.

As for 2007, do you want to guess what team was #1 and out gained Dallas by 900 yards?
 

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Julius Jones never lived up to the draft pick investment made in him, and Barber never came close to earning the contract he was given. We obviously blew it when we had the chance on the bellcow back in Steven Jackson.

As for 2007, do you want to guess what team was #1 and out gained Dallas by 900 yards?

So he didn't live up to his draft status and was still functional? You don't say. . . .

I agree paying seemingly very good RB is folly.
 

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Christian Ponder was his QB in 2012 and he had a career year. Same OL with Kalil Loadholt and Sullivan too.

AP 2012 over 2000 yards. AP 2013 1200 yards. I never said he wasn't good. I said he was declining,

Declining against 11 in the box LOL
 
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