Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Declining against 11 in the box LOL

Nice to see you surrendered the personnel argument. It had no substance after all.

 

[Stash]

What type of contract are you willing to offer Peterson? Give me the absolute most you'd be willing to offer...MAXIMUM

3 years $25 million, half guaranteed. But if this is simply a ploy to get more guaranteed cash in Minnesota and NOT an honest effort to leave there and come to Dallas, I'm not interested in being a bargaining chip.

 

[KalEl]

Nice to see you surrendered the personnel argument. It had no substance after all.

What are you talking about?

 

[Stash]

I never said that and you beating up strawmen is a waste of both our times.

So what did you say then?

It seems like these rules only apply when they can be used against Peterson.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Begging the question is not an argument.

I'm not begging the question. I'm stating an obvious. Of course his numbers would decline. If Dez Bryant played with Ponder his would too.

 

[Stash]

So he didn't live up to his draft status and was still functional? You don't say. . . .

As opposed to an actual star at the position who can do the job himself. Julius Jones was a mistake, just like Felix Jones was. No amount of spin changes that.

I agree paying seemingly very good RB is folly.

While obtaining Hall of Fame talent if you can is a smart move.

 

[JBS]

3 years $25 million, half guaranteed. But if this is simply a ploy to get more guaranteed cash in Minnesota and NOT an honest effort to leave there and come to Dallas, I'm not interested in being a bargaining chip.

Peterson can want out as much as he wants...doesn't mean he'll sign a deal he doesn't like...

12-13M guaranteed isn't getting him to rework his deal...could trade for him and not redo his contract also

 

[Stash]

Peterson can want out as much as he wants...doesn't mean he'll sign a deal he doesn't like...

No, but if he wats out of Minnesota, he wants out. That shouldn't come with a price.

12-13M guaranteed isn't getting him to rework his deal...could trade for him and not redo his contract also

I don't think anybody - Vikings included - wants that contract.

 

[Beast_from_East]

The SAME coaches that had a great OL in place, opening holes for Murray. Ya, those same coaches.

So the bottom line is that you and others think it is 100% the offensive line and the running back himself really doesn't matter, any jag will do.

Like I said, I hope the offensive line is as good as yall seem to think it is.

 

[ufcrules1]

And the last time that happened was when?

Andre Johnson last year in Houston.

 

[dallasdave]

Hey Yo Adrian

 

[Nation]

That's 2016... we are talking about 2015 right now and having a chance to go to a super bowl NOW. Tony might not even make it to 2016.

That's not how good teams operate. All-In philosophy has never worked in the NFL. The Patriots just used their 1st and 2nd rounders on a redshirt DT and a future backup QB and still won the Super Bowl while the Broncos made all sorts of dumb moves that didn't win them a playoff game and set them back for the future. And if you're worried about a QB not making it through the year you really don't mortgage your future. This team will have a strong running game with the current backs and whoever they add in the draft. There is no need to throw away a first plus veteran money at the position. The team scored plenty of points when they played Indy with Murray hurt. They didn't move the ball when Romo was out verse Arizona and Sweden was in. RB is not the straw that stirs the drink in this offense.

 

[Stash]

Vikings can make all the deadlines they want but I do not believe they are going to pay him near $13m if he is going to be a malcontent.

And I am of the opinion that at least part of the reason he is being a malcontent is that the Vikings approached him about not paying him near $13 million.

The organization said numerous times they 'welcome him back', but when they've been asked about the salary and contract, nobody has a thing to say.

I think they asked him to take a pay cut, he's refused, and we have this stalemate.

 

[Stash]

That's not how good teams operate. All-In philosophy has never worked in the NFL. The Patriots just used their 1st and 2nd rounders on a redshirt DT and a future backup QB and still won the Super Bowl while the Broncos made all sorts of dumb moves that didn't win them a playoff game and set them back for the future. And if you're worried about a QB not making it through the year you really don't mortgage your future. This team will have a strong running game with the current backs and whoever they add in the draft. There is no need to throw away a first plus veteran money at the position. The team scored plenty of points when they played Indy with Murray hurt. They didn't move the ball when Romo was out verse Arizona and Sweden was in. RB is not the straw that stirs the drink in this offense.

Don't forget those same Patriots went 'all in' and acquired the league's best cornerback and paid him $12 million for one year. As it resulted in a championship it looks like it was worth it.

 

[Stash]

And the last time that happened was when?

The Texans made Andre Johnson stay for another year.

They won nothing, and then cut him this year, getting nothing in the process.

Johnson then signed with the division champ Colts within the week.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I can't speak for everyone who wants Peterson (party because I am on the fence still), but my reason for wanting him has a lot to do with not trusting the rookie RB's and watching our Super Bowl chances the next 2 seasons take a hit from the annual NFL Crapshoot aka the draft.

I dont trust Gordon because every back from his school looks awesome and then becomes another committee back in the pros. I don't trust that Gurley will be there at 27 and I don't trust him to stay healthy since he hasn't had a healthy season since high school. He runs with a reckless style that concerns me. After Gordon and Gurley the rest of the backs all look like committee running backs. None look like game breakers and all have question marks.

So the desire to get Peterson is about knowing that the next 2 years could be special years when you have the most physically complete back the game has seen in the last decade running behind the best offensive line in football.

I have learned a lesson over the years about the draft. I have seen too many Trent Richardsons and Darren McFaddens come out and let teams down to trust anything I see in a college highlight reel or game tape. I am nervous about relying on that when our offense last year was awesome as a run first offense. I can see us having to go back to a pass first offense if McFadden and the committee are putting up 3 ypc.

Excellent post...................what if the RB we draft is Trent Richardson 2.0 and McFadden actually does suck? Then what happens?

That is what none of the posters who are against the AP trade can answer. We know rookie RBs have a 50% bust rate and that McFadden has the second lowest yards per carry in the league, even his own teammates were better. The reason we finally broke through the 8-8 ceiling was because of our dominant running game and you guys want us to basically flip a coin to see if we can keep it going. Even if Peterson is not the same back he was, he will at least get attention from the defense based on name alone. They will come into the game thinking "we got to stop AP", and will contribute resources to do it. If we have a rookie that is struggling to learn the pro game (remember, 50% chance he is a bust from day 1) or if we got a broke down McFadden in the backfield, opposing defenses are going to laugh, not be scared. Then we have to go back to a more pass oriented offense which increases the odds of Romo getting hurt and injured.

I am not willing to risk this scenario on basically a coin flip, but maybe that is just me.

 

[Stash]

Sure does but that isn't what happened.

Then what did?

 

[Stash]

I always took from it that he was lying about his injury and being a malcontent to get released. Sure seemed taht way.

To all of us...

 

[Toruk_Makto]

No, playing smart GM.

Peterson wants out. The Vikings know it and every team in the league knows it. Not every team in the league is interested and those that are don't want to give up any premium picks for a 30-year-old back with issues.

The question is what are the teams interested willing to give up. My bet is nothing higher than a third.

I see getting a starting cornerback as better than getting a third-round pick. I see getting a former first-round pick and a fourth better than getting a third, but that one could be argued since Claiborne has been a bust up to this point.

I also think Carr is thought more highly of in the league than he is on this board.

You are high out of your mind if you think the Vikings are trading Peterson for the right to pay Carr 8m. Or taking a 4th and one cost controlled year of Mo coming off serious injury that might not even have him ready to start the season.

High out of your mind.

 

[speedkilz88]

You would have to pretty thick not to see it that way.