Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[mattjames2010]

No. You have decided to go to the extreme and make up things about what people want. Then put those people down for your made up numbers. People just wanting to make the team better by adding the best running back in the league.

You have no idea how this season will turn out either.

I have not, there have been people in this thread that have specifically said; Peterson will get 2,000 yards behind our line. I'm pretty sure you were one of them, but I don't feel like going through 150 pages of circle jerking and arguments to find the quotes, so I won't pin it on you specifically. But I'm certain it has been said. It has also been said, in this very thread, that 20+/40+ runs in the league are common and was used as a knock against Murray, me and another poster proved that wrong.

You and others here have certainly created high expectations for the running game. So tell me, how are you going to feel if we traded away a first and a couple players for Peterson, and he only gives us his usual 1,200-1,300 yards with 10-12 TDs? Is he still worth it? Would he still be worth it if a couple of the young RBs in this draft go on to have similar production with another team?

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I am saying you don't pay premium for a 30 year old RB. Period. We should have learned this lesson sometime in the last 20 years but it appears that a flashy name make many forget the lessons of the past.

Who is "we" ?

Is that what you think AP is? A flashy name?

Many think you do exactly what I and others think the Cowboys should do. Which is why so many not only on this board but beat writers in Dallas and players like Emmitt Smith and other high profile respected players have said. You do exactly that. You do give a premuim pick for Adrain Peterson, and guess what. You probably make a Super Bowl...at least your chances become significantly better.

But I get it, Dallas and some of its fan base have been neutered. They are gun shy. The Super Bowl isnt something you actually go after! You just "hope" you find your way there with backup RBs and rookies carrying the rock. It a magical place only reserved for other franchises.....Who can blame them? Its been two decades since we got there....but go ahead and blame two decades on the Galloway and RW trades....

I'll wait to see how the season unfolds before I make my judgement on how "smart" this decision has been. Before I go all smuglike on everybody and say "I told you so, you people are idiots". Lets see the Cowboys win something first. Hope that rookie can take a few shots and hold up when its crunch time. Because we know Mcfadden cant. That leaves Williams to force the D into stacking the box. Just because you and the Cowboys front office thinks its the right move, doesn't mean, its the right move.

I will wait and see how things unfold this season. For me and many others, its all about getting to and winning a Super Bowl. Everything else is debate club and background noise.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Agree but two totally diff things I just think the team is pigeon holed with that first pick now.

Nothing happened today to change that.

 

[pansophy]

I have not, there have been people in this thread that have specifically said; Peterson will get 2,000 yards behind our line. I'm pretty sure you were one of them, but I don't feel like going through 150 pages of circle jerking and arguments to find the quotes, so I won't pin it on you specifically. But I'm certain it has been said. It has also been said, in this very thread, that 20+/40+ runs in the league are common and was used as a knock against Murray, me and another poster proved that wrong.

You and others here have certainly created high expectations for the running game. So tell me, how are you going to feel if we traded away a first and a couple players for Peterson, and he only gives us his usual 1,200-1,300 yards with 10-12 TDs? Is he still worth it? Would he still be worth it if a couple of the young RBs in this draft go on to have similar production with another team?

Given that Murray got us 1800 yards, I don't see how Peterson getting 2000 yards really pushes us over the top. We need defense and we can live with a top 10 rushing attack instead of the 2nd best.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I have not, there have been people in this thread that have specifically said; Peterson will get 2,000 yards behind our line. I'm pretty sure you were one of them, but I don't feel like going through 150 pages of circle jerking and arguments to find the quotes, so I won't pin it on you specifically. But I'm certain it has been said. It has also been said, in this very thread, that 20+/40+ runs in the league are common and was used as a knock against Murray, me and another poster proved that wrong.

You and others here have certainly created high expectations for the running game. So tell me, how are you going to feel if we traded away a first and a couple players for Peterson, and he only gives us his usual 1,200-1,300 yards with 10-12 TDs? Is he still worth it? Would he still be worth it if a couple of the young RBs in this draft go on to have similar production with another team?

are you counting Rowdy as a player?

I dont care how many yards are running game gets. i do care if are running backs cant finish the game after get pounded by Cam Chancellor and the Seattle Defense or by Peppers and whatshisface in GB. Can any one of are Runnign backs carrying a few guys on 3rd and 3 and pick up 4 yards despite missed block by a linemen. We can only give it to one of them in that situation, which one is taking on Cam and that defense in the playoff game? And if he doesn't get the yards, we punt, when we really need a time consuming drive.....

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Given that Murray got us 1800 yards, I don't see how Peterson getting 2000 yards really pushes us over the top. We need defense and we can live with a top 10 rushing attack instead of the 2nd best.

of course you dont see it. Your wrapped up in numbers.

 

[pansophy]

of course you dont see it. Your wrapped up in numbers.

What does Peterson do for us that doesn't get translated into a number? He's not Ray Lewis.

 

[pansophy]

are you counting Rowdy as a player?

I dont care how many yards are running game gets. i do care if are running backs cant finish the game after get pounded by Cam Chancellor and the Seattle Defense or by Peppers and whatshisface in GB. Can any one of are Runnign backs carrying a few guys on 3rd and 3 and pick up 4 yards despite missed block by a linemen. We can only give it to one of them in that situation, which one is taking on Cam and that defense in the playoff game? And if he doesn't get the yards, we punt, when we really need a time consuming drive.....

1000 yards before contact. You should let that number sink in. Most backs don't get 1000 and Murray got that many yards before anyone touched him.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

What does Peterson do for us that doesn't get translated into a number? He's not Ray Lewis.

Actually I would argue he is the closest thing you might find to the offensive equivalent of a Ray Lewis

 

[JoeBoBBY]

1000 yards before contact. You should let that number sink in. Most backs don't get 1000 and Murray got that many yards before anyone touched him.

So i guess my 15 year old nephew could get those 1000 yards too? Is that what you are implying?

 

[speedkilz88]

So i guess my 15 year old nephew could get those 1000 yards too? Is that what you are implying?

How about any competent RB?

 

[Nightman]

So i guess my 15 year old nephew could get those 1000 yards too? Is that what you are implying?

It also means he got well over 800 yards after contact, which would be a good year for a RB by itself.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

How about any competent RB?

Is that same competent back going to pick up the blitz as well as DM did? Get 3 yards when nothing is there on first and 10? Be a leader on offense inspiring guys to come together, block, catch balls and make crucial plays like DM did? He is not going to break after a few big time hits or fold and go down easy? The running game is an attitude. The RB is the leader of that part of the game.

 

[mattjames2010]

It also means he got well over 800 yards after contact, which would be a good year for a RB by itself.

Don't bother with it. I've beat them over the heads with that statistic and they still spin it to be from the amount of carries and the line. It's hopeless at this point.

 

[speedkilz88]

Is that same competent back going to pick up the blitz as well as DM did? Get 3 yards when nothing is there on first and 10? Be a leader on offense inspiring guys to come together, block, catch balls and make crucial plays like DM did? He is not going to break after a few big time hits or fold and go down easy? The running game is an attitude. The RB is the leader of that part of the game.

Did you know that DM allowed the most sacks by a rb last year? I believe it was 3 sacks.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I am saying you don't pay premium for a 30 year old RB. Period. We should have learned this lesson sometime in the last 20 years but it appears that a flashy name make many forget the lessons of the past.

Yeah but you never really answered my question.

Do you think are chances of winning a Super Bowl go up or down, if we were to acquire AP?

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Did you know that DM allowed the most sacks by a rb last year? I believe it was 3 sacks.

Sure didn't. But how much do you wanna bet Romo gets sacked more this year then he did last year? I would bet a 50 dollar donation on that! You in?

 

[mattjames2010]

Yeah, that's a legit criticism of Murray. He was ranked, I believe, 26th-27th or so in blocking for RBs.

Though, I'd really like to read more into that stat. How many of the starting RBs were on the field as much as Murray, and if the majority was less, what was their statistics and what would were they on pace for if they were on the field as much as Murray. We really overused Murray in the running and passing game last year, it worked, but our backups got very little work in.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Yeah, that's a legit criticism of Murray. He was ranked, I believe, 26th-27th or so in blocking for RBs.

Though, I'd really like to read more into that stat. How many of the starting RBs were on the field as much as Murray, and if the majority was less, what was their statistics and what would were they on pace for if they were on the field as much as Murray. We really overused Murray in the running and passing game last year, it worked, but our backups got very little work in.

You take that bet Matt? We could even narrow it down to the total of the RBBC vs Murray. Even though I think that stat will rise becuase we are going to be passing the ball more. But I will go ahead and let that slide....for the betting purposes.

 

[mattjames2010]

You take that bet Matt? We could even narrow it down to the total of the RBBC vs Murray. Even though I think that stat will rise becuase we are going to be passing the ball more. But I will go ahead and let that slide....for the betting purposes.

That Romo will be sacked more? Are we talking about RBs giving up sacks? If you want to bet a rookie RB will give up a couple more sacks than Murray or the same amount, I wouldn't bet against that. As for the entire year total, you really think Romo will be sacked more than 29 times? I don't. Frederick, Leary, and Martin are just going to get better in pass protection and we already know what Smith is capable of. I see the stat line being similar to 2007 in terms of sacks, around 24-25.

And I don't see us passing the ball more. I see us using our backups more effectively to give our starting RB a break, like we wanted to last year.