Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Same peopel pretending like because he is AP he is not human and like other HoF human RB. He is a sure thing at 30 years old because . . . . . wishful thinking.

Over 2/3 of even HoF RB never have a 1000 yard season following their 30th birthday. AP is also a very violent runner. He was not like Sweetness and Emmitt finding creases and avoiding hits. AP puts his shoulder down and trucks defenders.

Paying age still is a bad investment in the NFL. It still stands for Not For Long particularly at that position. Now way you give a premium draft pick for an aging vet. Raiders trading a first for Moss: dumb as hell. Patriots trading a 4th for Moss: Brilliant!

4th and a paycut.

I definitely need to invite some of you guys to poker night.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You take that bet Matt? We could even narrow it down to the total of the RBBC vs Murray. Even though I think that stat will rise becuase we are going to be passing the ball more. But I will go ahead and let that slide....for the betting purposes.

If all you have is a bet then you have nothing. Machismo is so worthless on the interwebs and it proves nothing other than your personality.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Actually Snyder, it's your panicking that would leave us without picks. You wouldn't have the patience to ever run a team if you're willing to give up picks for a 30 year old RB. And seeing the rumors of what crappy franchises would, I'm going to say I'm right.

So now your showing your math skills....let me help little guy...7-1=6...see that does not equal zero picks...you keep trying you will get there some day...poor fella

 

[Silver N Blue]

I wouldn't even offer this trade...not once have I seen any of us pro guys make this type of offer...anyway no way can you trade Dez.

Question: Trade scenario – Vikings get Dez, Cowboys get AD & Vikes 2nd rounder. Money for each is about the same for this year and Cowboys can get a WR/CB/DE in no particular order with 3 picks in the first 60. Thoughts?

Bob Sturm: I am not trading Dez for a 30-year old RB with 2,000 carries. I also would argue that my WR crew looks very ordinary without him, so now I need to get a WR in Round 1 to expect anything special that demands major coverage. I will not do that, personally. I pay Dez.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

If all you have is a bet then you have nothing. Machismo is so worthless on the interwebs and it proves nothing other than your personality.

I think thats extremely unfair, misguided, and uncalled for. At this point were just going over the same old arguments. All we really have left is a bet. A simple friendly bet. . Get the zone a donation!! I thought it would be fun and a good way to check in through out the season,

What happened to no personal attacks? You attacking my personality because of it?

Machismo? Over a friendly bet? I have stated my case they have stated theirs. I actually believe in mine. No one has taken the bet if you notice. I would appreciate it if you would just not read my posts anymore. In fact, i think there is an ignore button, Problem solved fuzzy,

 

[JoeBoBBY]

That Romo will be sacked more? Are we talking about RBs giving up sacks? If you want to bet a rookie RB will give up a couple more sacks than Murray or the same amount, I wouldn't bet against that. As for the entire year total, you really think Romo will be sacked more than 29 times? I don't. Frederick, Leary, and Martin are just going to get better in pass protection and we already know what Smith is capable of. I see the stat line being similar to 2007 in terms of sacks, around 24-25.

And I don't see us passing the ball more. I see us using our backups more effectively to give our starting RB a break, like we wanted to last year.

I think Romo will be dropping back to pass more this season because we wont have Murray to depend on anymore. I have no confidence in the RBBC or any of the current players or rookies to provide what we need to have a dominating run game. I dont see Romo and Lineham and Garret trusting any of those guys during crucial moments of the game.

So if he drops back more thats more opportunities for him to get sacked. I do think a rookie will most likely give up a few more. But I would be willing to bet, total sacks assigned to the RBBC vs Murrays total for all sacks assigned to him. ? If you wanna bet on other things, I am up for that to. we dont have to do 50 bones. maybe 20? And it will be a donation at this point,

I hate what we have done this offseason, by letting Murray walk and the backup plan to that was , not even make a play for AP, and sign DMC and rookie. I dont think we will be as good as we were last year. At least when it comes to the running the game.

Its hard to predict the future , thats for sure. But, these moves have not made us a better team imho

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I wouldn't even offer this trade...not once have I seen any of us pro guys make this type of offer...anyway no way can you trade Dez.

Question: Trade scenario – Vikings get Dez, Cowboys get AD & Vikes 2nd rounder. Money for each is about the same for this year and Cowboys can get a WR/CB/DE in no particular order with 3 picks in the first 60. Thoughts?

Bob Sturm: I am not trading Dez for a 30-year old RB with 2,000 carries. I also would argue that my WR crew looks very ordinary without him, so now I need to get a WR in Round 1 to expect anything special that demands major coverage. I will not do that, personally. I pay Dez.

No way am I trading Dez..... Well, there is a price for everything, bu no wayyy am i trading Dez!

 

[esloan]

I think Romo will be dropping back to pass more this season because we wont have Murray t depend on anymore. I have no confidence in the RBBC or any of the current or players or rookies to provide what we need to have a dominating run game. I dont see Romo and Lineham and Garret falling trusting any of those guys during crucial moments of the game.

So if he drops back more thats more opportunities for him to get sacked. I do think rookie will most likely give up a few more. But I would be willing to bet, total sacks assigned to the RBBC vs Murrays total for all sacks assigned to him. ? If you wanna bet on other things, I am up for that to. we dont have to do 50 bones. maybe 20? And it will be a donation at this point,

I hate what we have done this offseason, by letting Murray walk and the backup plan to that was , not even make a play for AP, an sign DMC and rookie. I dont think we will be as good as we were last year. At least when it comes to the running the game.

Its hard to predict the future , thats for sure. But, these moves have not made us a better team imho

Did you have confidence in Murray going into last season? Did Murray, at any point before last season, make you think that he was going to have a season like he did last season? I bet not.

What changed last season from the seasons before? The offensive line and the playcalling. That is pretty much it. Murray showed us nothing in the years prior to last year to have us believe he was going to have a season like he did. I think you are woefully underestimating the offensive line and the improved playcalling. We still have both of those and we have a chance at a very good rookie in this deep RB draft.

 

[esloan]

I wouldn't even offer this trade...not once have I seen any of us pro guys make this type of offer...anyway no way can you trade Dez.

Question: Trade scenario – Vikings get Dez, Cowboys get AD & Vikes 2nd rounder. Money for each is about the same for this year and Cowboys can get a WR/CB/DE in no particular order with 3 picks in the first 60. Thoughts?

Bob Sturm: I am not trading Dez for a 30-year old RB with 2,000 carries. I also would argue that my WR crew looks very ordinary without him, so now I need to get a WR in Round 1 to expect anything special that demands major coverage. I will not do that, personally. I pay Dez.

For once we agree. Trading an elite WR in his prime for a 30 year old RB makes no damn sense at all. SMDH. People are so cut up with the name Adrian Peterson that it makes all semblance of common sense leave them.

 

[dallasdave]

No way am I trading Dez..... Well, there is a price for everything, bu no wayyy am i trading Dez!

DEZ is the best player on the Cowboys, and he is off the table for trade talks.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Did you have confidence in Murray going into last season? Did Murray, at any point before last season, make you think that he was going to have a season like he did last season? I bet not.

What changed last season from the seasons before? The offensive line and the playcalling. That is pretty much it. Murray showed us nothing in the years prior to last year to have us believe he was going to have a season like he did. I think you are woefully underestimating the offensive line and the improved playcalling. We still have both of those and we have a chance at a very good rookie in this deep RB draft.

I had no problems with Murray. He had shown in prior year he was solid and would even take over some games. He was a rookie, then a soph and developed nicely into a leader on this team both off and on the field. Now did I think he would 1800 up? No, and I doubt you did either,

It was a TEAM effort last year. Not just the offensive line, Although they do look good, it wasn't just them.... There is a lot that goes into a Team. A lot of intangibles that are hard to measure.

 

[esloan]

I had no problems with Murray. He had shown in prior year he was solid and would even take over some games. He was a rookie, then a soph and developed nicely into a leader on this team both off and on the field. Now did I think he would 1800 up? No, and I doubt you did either,

It was a TEAM effort last year. Not just the offensive line, Although they do look good, it wasn't just them.... There is a lot that goes into a Team. A lot of intangibles that are hard to measure.

I said that I did not expect him to go for 1800. No one did. Before last season he was a decent RB and not much more. The offensive line and improved play calling made him what he was last year. That and the fact he played through injury which he did not do before.

Murray is a good back but he is not irreplaceable and we certainly do not need a HoF'er to replace him. We will be fine without AP.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

For once we agree. Trading an elite WR in his prime for a 30 year old RB makes no damn sense at all. SMDH. People are so cut up with the name Adrian Peterson that it makes all semblance of common sense leave them.

I am not sure about that. There is a reason why so many people like and want AP on their team.
And it has nothing to do with his name. Or is lofty status....... Just watch the guy play the game. I would argue that most of us havent got to see AP play, game in and game out. And we underestimate him.... There is a reason he commands so much respect from coaches and players. The guy is on another level. You dont come across too many guys in the NFL that play on another level. Most of those guys , you never even get a chance to sign.....

 

[esloan]

I am not sure about that. There is a reason why so many people like and want AP on their team.
And it has nothing to do with his name. Or is lofty status....... Just watch the guy play the game. I would argue that most of us havent got to see AP play, game in and game out. And we underestimate him.... There is a reason he commands so much respect from coaches and players. The guy is on another level. You dont come across too many guys in the NFL that play on another level. Most of those guys , you never even get a chance to sign.....

You would trade Dez for AP? Are you insane? One is in his prime and the other is 30 years old and about to fall off the same cliff every other RB does at that age.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I said that I did not expect him to go for 1800. No one did. Before last season he was a decent RB and not much more. The offensive line and improved play calling made him what he was last year. That and the fact he played through injury which he did not do before.

Murray is a good back but he is not irreplaceable and we certainly do not need a HoF'er to replace him. We will be fine without AP.

Well, no one expects to replace a departing player in Free Agency with a HOFer, but why wouldn't we, if by luck, he happens to be available.


And, we are hoping to be "fine". With AP we are great! and pushing for a SB, instead of hoping.

But I suspect, we will be in the top 3 in salary cap numbers in a few years.

 

[esloan]

Well, no one expects to replace a departing player in Free Agency with a HOFer, but why wouldn't we, if by luck, he happens to be available.


And, we are hoping to be "fine". With AP we are great! and pushing for a SB, instead of hoping.

AP won't put us in the SB. He would be just another cog in the machine. There are too many variables for one person to put a team in the SB. You are also probably going to have to give a large contract and draft picks to a 30 year old RB. It ain't happening. Jones and company have learned that lesson. AP coming here was nothing but a pipe dream. Unless Minnesota drops their expectations to a 4th rounder and AP decides he will take $5 million a year or less or a one year deal, it simply ain't happening.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

You would trade Dez for AP? Are you insane? One is in his prime and the other is 30 years old and about to fall off the same cliff every other RB does at that age.

What are you talking about?

 

[Alexander]

A report surfaced Tuesday that if the Minnesota Vikings did not trade running back Adrian Peterson by the conclusion of next week's NFL Draft, they would end up holding on to their star.

A guest of Bickley and Marotta on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM Wednesday, Yahoo! Sports NFL columnist Charles Robinson said he is 100 percent confident that if the Arizona Cardinals called up the Vikings and offered their first-round pick for Peterson, Minnesota would listen.

But are the Cardinals -- or any team, for that matter -- willing to surrender their top draft choice and more for a 30-year-old running back?

That remains to be seen, but one team Robinson said is not in the running for the six-time Pro Bowler's services is the Dallas Cowboys.

"Whoever says otherwise is 1,000 percent wrong," he said. "The Cowboys have not spoken to the Minnesota Vikings about Adrian Peterson. It has not happened. They haven't offered a draft pick, they have not picked up the telephone to talk to the Minnesota Vikings about Adrian Peterson. It simply has not happened."

http://arizonasports.com/40/1827796/Yah

 

[esloan]

What are you talking about?

You said that you were not sure about that in reply to my comment about how trading Dez for AP was insane.

 

[erod]

DEZ is the best player on the Cowboys, and he is off the table for trade talks.

Nobody is off the table. Ever.