Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[dallasdave]

Thats a good point. He didn't clarify which years draft picks....

You tell em.

 

[dallasdave]

Wow... Hardy suspended 10 games.. now we really need Peterson to help out our defense. The best defense is a good offense.

Last year we did just that, control the ball and keep the other teams offense off the field.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Guess we can afford AP now

 

[mattjames2010]

Yeah cause I am willing to trade 1 away be it a 2nd or a 3rd for the best rb in the NFL. You two should change your name to Harry and Lloyd cause that is all that comes out of your rants.

Actually Snyder, it's your panicking that would leave us without picks. You wouldn't have the patience to ever run a team if you're willing to give up picks for a 30 year old RB. And seeing the rumors of what crappy franchises would, I'm going to say I'm right.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Guess we can afford AP now

Thats another good point.

Guys, we gotta get AP. No choice now....

27th, Carr and Rowdy.

Its a fair deal.

 

[esloan]

Thats another good point.

Guys, we gotta get AP. No choice now....

27th, Carr and Rowdy.

Its a fair deal.

I am so glad you don't run the team either.

 

[pacy]

....and throw in a bag of peanuts.

 

[pansophy]

If we had kept Murray, wouldn't that number of 'all pro's' have been the same? Would you have railed against the Murray re-signing with the same vigor? Or is this yet another attempt at a strike only against acquiring Peterson? I think I know the answer.

Actually for me I was glad we let Murray go. I think the Eagles are going to be in a bind because of that contract.

Peterson is likely still better at 30 even with a year off, but I just don't believe in spending significant resources at RB. More my part at least I'd only like to see us use the 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB if all the other players we would want at that spot are taken.

 

[khiladi]

First off, we are not discussing the talent of Foles here. You said there wasn't a threat of a passing game for McCoy, Foles was throwing the ball well in 2013, there was a threat of a passing game. If you want to say it was the system, whatever, it doesn't matter. The Eagles have had a great run blocking line for a season and a half (They got significantly better in 2014 as the season went on).

40+ yard runs aren't going to jump much higher in with 50-80 carries more. The only fact here is, 20+-40+ yard runs aren't significantly high for nearly EVERY RB. Criticizing an RB for having 3,4,5 40+ yards in a season is not a valid criticism. It's absurd expectations and obvious bias.

We are talking about being a home-run hitter and break away speed. You can spin it anyway you want, Murray had around 80 plus more carries, he actually had less forty plus yards than the year prior, and he had more twenty plus used runs. He was getting per your definition more home run hits via twenty plus runs, yet you wasn't breaking as many for long gains.

And around1000 of his yards rushing was before being hit by the first defended.

So yeah, it is a valid criticism when we are talking about him as a home run hitter.

And yeah Nick Foles is a scrub. Ark Sanchez is also a scrub but he performed a lot better because of the system. Foles like Sanchez were under pressure all the time and Sanchez got hammered on his starts as well. A lot of their yardage was based on the fast pace and schematic design.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I am so glad you don't run the team either.

Bet I couldve got at least one Super Bowl in two decades.

 

[esloan]

Bet I couldve got at least one Super Bowl in two decades.

No. I doubt it. You are wanting to do the same thing now that got Jones in trouble for the last two decades. Pay a premium for an aging superstar. That is one of the big reasons we have not won.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

No. I doubt it. You are wanting to do the same thing now that got Jones in trouble for the last two decades. Pay a premium for an aging superstar. That is one of the big reasons we have not won.

you know I hear that alot. And we throw it around like its the only reason. Its not.

Bad drafting. Picking the wrong people sign to big contracts. Bad trades. Mismanagement of resources. Lack of accountability and a flawed management/coaching structure.
And bad timing.

There is usually much more to the story, behind the safe stock/predictable, regurgitated answer that becomes accepted by the group an tossed around.

 

[esloan]

you know I hear that alot. And we throw it around like its the only reason. Its not.

Bad drafting. Picking the wrong people sign to big contracts. Bad trades. Mismanagement of resources. Lack of accountability and a flawed management/coaching structure.
And bad timing.

There is usually much more to the story, behind the safe stock/predictable, regurgitated answer that becomes accepted by the group an tossed around.

Well trading for Peterson would encompass most of those. Bad trade? Check. Mismanagement of resources? Check. Flawed management? Check. It would impact the draft so throw bad drafting in there too. Top it off with paying premiums for aging superstars and you have most of the reasons why we have been mediocre for twenty years all wrapped up in an insane grab for Adrian Peterson.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Well trading for Peterson would encompass most of those. Bad trade? Check. Mismanagement of resources? Check. Flawed management? Check. It would impact the draft so throw bad drafting in there too. Top it off with paying premiums for aging superstars and you have most of the reasons why we have been mediocre for twenty years all wrapped up in an insane grab for Adrian Peterson.

So your saying we have more of a chance to make the Super Bowl, without AP?

 

[esloan]

So your saying we have more of a chance to make the Super Bowl, without AP?

I am saying you don't pay premium for a 30 year old RB. Period. We should have learned this lesson sometime in the last 20 years but it appears that a flashy name make many forget the lessons of the past.

 

[mattjames2010]

We are talking about being a home-run hitter and break away speed. You can spin it anyway you want, Murray had around 80 plus more carries, he actually had less forty plus yards than the year prior, and he had more twenty plus used runs. He was getting per your definition more home run hits via twenty plus runs, yet you wasn't breaking as many for long gains.

And around1000 of his yards rushing was before being hit by the first defended.

So yeah, it is a valid criticism when we are talking about him as a home run hitter.

And yeah Nick Foles is a scrub. Ark Sanchez is also a scrub but he performed a lot better because of the system. Foles like Sanchez were under pressure all the time and Sanchez got hammered on his starts as well. A lot of their yardage was based on the fast pace and schematic design.

He had nearly the same amount of yards AFTER contact. What are you not understanding here? You've lost the argument, man. Just stop. 40+ yard runs in the league, whether the RB is fast or not, is rare. I gave you the link, it tells you the facts, and you are blatantly ignoring it. No one is "spinning" anything, you're just ignoring the facts.

It doesn't matter if he had 3-4 40+ yard runs with 250 carries or with 390 carries. I just provided you the link, there have been players with 350, sometimes 380 carries who have had 3-4 40+ yard runs and sometimes LESS. Having just 6 40+ yard runs is having a damn good year. You are taking a high amount of 40+ yard carries and making that the expectation for EVERY RB in the league when even HOF RBs had trouble doing that. No, it's not valid criticism, it's a bias stance.

And what are you trying to prove with Foles and Sanchez? Who here said they were great QBs? I don't care about your opinion of their play, your argument was that there was no fear of the passing game, that the passing game did nothing to help McCoy, it obviously did. If it was because of the system, like you said, it doesn't matter. The threat of the passing game was there. You're forgetting your original argument.

 

[AsthmaField]

I think we will have a legit shot at Gordon. He is my pick.

I shall sacrifice a goat to the football gods so that it might be so...

 

[mattjames2010]

I am saying you don't pay premium for a 30 year old RB. Period. We should have learned this lesson sometime in the last 20 years but it appears that a flashy name make many forget the lessons of the past.

Myths about players also help with this, like Peterson's ultra healing powers. Takes a future HOF player even above that and makes people believe a 30 year old RB will never slow down and will play at a high level until he decides to retire. ****, people already have the expectations that he'll rush for 2,000 yards behind our line. Can you imagine if he doesn't?

These expectations, even for a player like Peterson, are unbelievable.

Judging by this thread, people won't be happy unless we have a 2,000 yard RB, high amount of receptions and yards, along with having countless 20+/40+ yard runs. They basically have to be Barry Sanders in his best years for anyone to be satisfied with RB production. Outside of that, easily replaceable.

 

[Stash]

Actually for me I was glad we let Murray go. I think the Eagles are going to be in a bind because of that contract.

I agree. I'm getting a Ricky Watters 'for who, for what?' vibe for sure. I don't think it's going to turn out well in Philly for Demarco.

Peterson is likely still better at 30 even with a year off, but I just don't believe in spending significant resources at RB. More my part at least I'd only like to see us use the 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB if all the other players we would want at that spot are taken.

And I can understand and respect your opinion.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Myths about players also help with this, like Peterson's ultra healing powers. Takes a future HOF player even above that and makes people believe a 30 year old RB will never slow down and will play at a high level until he decides to retire. ****, people already have the expectations that he'll rush for 2,000 yards behind our line. Can you imagine if he doesn't?

These expectations, even for a player like Peterson, are unbelievable.

Judging by this thread, people won't be happy unless we have a 2,000 yard RB, high amount of receptions and yards, along with having countless 20+/40+ yard runs. They basically have to be Barry Sanders in his best years for anyone to be satisfied with RB production. Outside of that, easily replaceable.

No. You have decided to go to the extreme and make up things about what people want. Then put those people down for your made up numbers. People just wanting to make the team better by adding the best running back in the league.

You have no idea how this season will turn out either.