Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[dallasdave]

If Hardy shouldn't be allowed to play football, what should he be allowed to do?

He should be allowed to play football, and help the Cowboys win the Super Bowl this year, and maybe just maybe we get Peterson to play for the Cowboys.

 

[KalEl]

He was found guilty and appealed. His ten game suspension alone tarnishes the star. Obviously these are my opinions.

Do some research fella. He was not convicted like a normal conviction. NC judicial system is different than most states. He was "convicted" at a bench trial which is the equivalent of a grand jury indictment in most states. In other words, the judge like a grand jury determines if there is enough evidence for trial. That is all he was "convicted" of. Judges in DV cases as I understand it in NC almost always rule guilt to proceed to trial.

So Hardy was not convicted of anything. In fact the trial that was needed to for any type of conviction was dismissed and the suit is now in the system for complete removal.

You must have had a hard time watching that tarnished Star in the 70's and 90's.

 

[dallasdave]

Do some research fella. He was not convicted like a normal conviction. NC judicial system is different than most states. He was "convicted" at a bench trial which is the equivalent of a grand jury indictment in most states. In other words, the judge like a grand jury determines if there is enough evidence for trial. That is all he was "convicted" of. Judges in DV cases as I understand it in NC almost always rule guilt to proceed to trial.

So Hardy was not convicted of anything. In fact the trial that was needed to for any type of conviction was dismissed and the suit is now in the system for complete removal.

You must have had a hard time watching that tarnished Star in the 70's and 90's.

So Hardy was not convicted of anything. In fact the trial that was needed to for any type of conviction was dismissed and the suit is now in the system for complete removal---then if it is removed Mr. Goodell and I use that term Mr. very lightly, has nothing for evidence when he faces the Judge. I like the sound of this.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Do some research fella. He was not convicted like a normal conviction. NC judicial system is different than most states. He was "convicted" at a bench trial which is the equivalent of a grand jury indictment in most states. In other words, the judge like a grand jury determines if there is enough evidence for trial. That is all he was "convicted" of. Judges in DV cases as I understand it in NC almost always rule guilt to proceed to trial.

So Hardy was not convicted of anything. In fact the trial that was needed to for any type of conviction was dismissed and the suit is now in the system for complete removal.

You must have had a hard time watching that tarnished Star in the 70's and 90's.

No research is necessary I am well aware of the facts. He was allowed to appeal because he was convicted and found guilty. Which in turn allows said individual to appeal that conviction. On July 15, 2014, Greg Hardy was sentenced in North Carolina to probation after being convicted in a misdemeanor trial without a jury by Judge Becky Thorne Tin. You left out the 80s...and yes there will always be players that tarnish the star. However like I said I root for the Cowboys on Sunday.

 

[KalEl]

Found guilty at a bench trial. Try again

 

[dallasdave]

Yes, that's all hope we get all the pieces to have the Cowboys return to the glory days of the 90's and win the Super Bowl this year and in multiple years following.

 

[Doomsday101]

I talked to (Peterson) a little while ago and kind of shared some thoughts with him," linebacker Chad Greenway added. "I think everyone is in support of him and trying to come back and try to be a part of this group."
Bridgewater didn't take over as quarterback until after Peterson was shelved on the Commissioner's Exempt List last season.
The young quarterback showed the most promise of all rookie signal-callers thanks to his impressive play down the stretch last season. Couple a Year 2 improvement with the NFL's best running back, and the Vikings have a recipe for cogent encouragement that their offense could be dangerous in 2015.
The special QB-RB tandem is one reason general manager Rick Spielman won't part with Peterson unless a team blows him out of the water with an offer before the end of the week.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...gewater-we-expect-ap-to-be-a-viking-this-year

 

[Stash]

I have to ask the forum:

What is the best-case scenario you see for the 2015 Minnesota Vikings, with or without Adrian Peterson?

At best, I can see them making the playoffs as a wild card. They're not better than any of the top teams in the NFC and could win one playoff game, tops.

I can't see where that's worth paying Peterson $13 million in 2015.

 

[Doomsday101]

I have to ask the forum:

What is the best-case scenario you see for the 2015 Minnesota Vikings, with or without Adrian Peterson?

At best, I can see them making the playoffs as a wild card. They're not better than any of the top teams in the NFC and could win one playoff game, tops.

I can't see where that's worth paying Peterson $13 million in 2015.

Hard to say, how much progress does Bridgewater make this coming season? No doubt in keeping Peterson teams will not be able to pen their ears back and go after the QB which should benefit Bridgewater greatly. Defensively Minn can bring the heat and should they take Trae Waynes they have a chance to greatly improve their secondary or they could go with former teammate of Bridgewater and take DeVante Parker and give Bridgewater a big weapon.

As Spielman said unless a team makes an offer that "blows him out of the water with an offer" I think Minn is very much intent on keeping Peterson

 

[Doc50]

I think the team realizes that a RB core of McFadden, Randle, Dunbar, and Williams would be questionable at best.

Otherwise, why did we spend like half our visits bringing in every decent RB prospect in college.

Just due diligence. This is a RB-rich class, and we might find our next franchise guy there without using a top pick. The structure of our board is all about proper values assigned to assets, so BPA thing has to be thought through in great detail ahead of time, exploring all scenarios that may occur, as much as possible.

The draft is like a chess match among 32 players.

AD may still be a knight in that game, or maybe just a pawn.

 

[Stash]

Hard to say, how much progress does Bridgewater make this coming season? No doubt in keeping Peterson teams will not be able to pen their ears back and go after the QB which should benefit Bridgewater greatly. Defensively Minn can bring the heat and should they take Trae Waynes they have a chance to greatly improve their secondary or they could go with former teammate of Bridgewater and take DeVante Parker and give Bridgewater a big weapon.

I think they have a solid base with two excellent coordinators in Zimmer and Turner, and the future should be bright. But I don't see them competing with the big boys this year, they're simply too lacking in talent.

And I don't see how keeping Peterson at $13 million makes enough of a difference, therefore I don't see it being worth it rather than saving that money for the future.

As Spielman said unless a team makes an offer that "blows him out of the water with an offer" I think Minn is very much intent on keeping Peterson

And I'll believe that when I see it. I still don't buy that the Vikings are 'so happy' to pay $13 million to a guy who says he doesn't want to be there. I personally believe that the Vikings want him to take a pay cut, but at the same time don't want to release him outright.

It's got to be demoralizing to a team to hear that you're not good enough for your best player to want to stay, even when you're grossly overpaying him.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think they have a solid base with two excellent coordinators in Zimmer and Turner, and the future should be bright. But I don't see them competing with the big boys this year, they're simply too lacking in talent.

And I don't see how keeping Peterson at $13 million makes enough of a difference, therefore I don't see it being worth it rather than saving that money for the future.



And I'll believe that when I see it. I still don't buy that the Vikings are 'so happy' to pay $13 million to a guy who says he doesn't want to be there. I personally believe that the Vikings want him to take a pay cut, but at the same time don't want to release him outright.

It's got to be demoralizing to a team to hear that you're not good enough for your best player to want to stay, even when you're grossly overpaying him.

They evidently see it different, they are trying to put together a team yes they are paying 13 mill for Peterson and? does he make their team better? Getting a 3rd rd pick is not going to make them any better than what Peterson does right now. Can they compete? Dallas went 8-8 and turned around and went 12-4. Bridgewater I think is the big key for the Vikes to vastly improve or not and having a top RB in the back field with him can only help him. Anyways Peterson is Superman right? defies age so it has been said here. Maybe Vikes feel the same way and AP can produce at a high level and now with a young legit QB they may be able to vastly improve themselves.

 

[Doc50]

That was funny, but it lead me to an episode of Jimmy Fallon, with guest Russell Crowe, talking about the BP oil spill, and how tar balls are still washing up on the gulf shore. He and Crowe sang "Balls in your mouth, don't swim in the ocean - you'll get balls in your mouth". Classy performance.

 

[Stash]

They evidently see it different, they are trying to put together a team yes they are paying 13 mill for Peterson and? does he make their team better?

Sure he does, for this year. Are they winning it all this year? Not a chance. Then what next year? Pay him even more money while he's a year older, on the most bloated, ridiculous RB contract in NFL history?

Getting a 3rd rd pick is not going to make them any better than what Peterson does right now.

Not for one year, but big picture? Yeah, that 3rd rounder and saving $45 million for the future? That helps immeasurably.

Can they compete? Dallas went 8-8 and turned around and went 12-4.

And we can go up and down each team's roster and you would be hard-pressed to find many positions where the Vikings would be equal to the Cowboys in any of them.

Bridgewater I think is the big key for the Vikes to vastly improve or not and having a top RB in the back field with him can only help him. Anyways Peterson is Superman right? defies age so it has been said here. Maybe Vikes feel the same way and AP can produce at a high level and now with a young legit QB they may be able to vastly improve themselves.

They'd be wrong. They're not winning anything of significance with or without Peterson.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sure he does, for this year. Are they winning it all this year? Not a chance. Then what next year? Pay him even more money while he's a year older, on the most bloated, ridiculous RB contract in NFL history?

Not for one year, but big picture? Yeah, that 3rd rounder and saving $45 million for the future? That helps immeasurably.



And we can go up and down each team's roster and you would be hard-pressed to find many positions where the Vikings would be equal to the Cowboys in any of them.



They'd be wrong. They're not winning anything of significance with or without Peterson.

then why would Dallas want him? He will be great this year and start sucking next year? LOL get down to it this is about your own desire to get Peterson. Minn is willing to trade evidently but they are not going to do it without a fairly big offer which is something Dallas should not do. There are RB in this draft that come at a better price and who have a chance of helping Dallas more than 1 year.

I'm just not on board with this attitude that Dallas must win it all next year or it is over non sense.

As for Minn being equal to Dallas no but then in some regards they are better in some areas. They produced 41 sacks last year vs the Cowboys who managed 28 sacks. Clearly Minn needs help in their secondary and with the 11th overall chances are they will get that help in Wayne or as I said they could bring in Devante Parker at WR giving the Vikes offense a major weapon to go along with their running game.

If you expect Minn to give up and give away players on the cheap then I think you will be sadly disappointed

 

[Stash]

then why would Dallas want him? He will be great this year and start sucking next year? LOL

Hey look, the teenage texting girl is back! And they wonder how arguments get started?

Because Dallas wouldn't have to pay him $13 million, $15 million, and then $17 million.

get down to it this is about your own desire to get Peterson.

And I have never said otherwise. But it doesn't invalidate the factors I'm bringing up.

Minn is willing to trade evidently but they are not going to do it without a fairly big offer which is something Dallas should not do.

Here we agree. If Minnesota digs their heels in for a big price, I hope Dallas never does talk to them.

There are RB in this draft that come at a better price and who have a chance of helping Dallas more than 1 year.

So can Peterson, and he's better and more proven that anyone else the Cowboys have a chance of getting. That's why it make sense to at least look into acquiring him.

I'm just not on board with this attitude that Dallas must win it all next year or it is over non sense.

That's fine. But once Romo is done, so are this team's chances for a championship anytime soon.

As for Minn being equal to Dallas no but then in some regards they are better in some areas. They produced 41 sacks last year vs the Cowboys who managed 28 sacks. Clearly Minn needs help in their secondary and with the 11th overall chances are they will get that help in Wayne or as I said they could bring in Devante Parker at WR giving the Vikes offense a major weapon to go along with their running game.

If you expect Minn to give up and give away players on the cheap then I think you will be sadly disappointed

And I'll reiterate, it's not simply about the players, or the picks. The cost of keeping Peterson at $13 million, $15 million, and $17 million is an enormous part of the equation, which naysayers seemingly want to disregard.

 

[Doomsday101]

Hey look, the teenage texting girl is back! And they wonder how arguments get started?

Because Dallas wouldn't have to pay him $13 million, $15 million, and then $17 million.



And I have never said otherwise. But it doesn't invalidate the factors I'm bringing up.



Here we agree. If Minnesota digs their heels in for a big price, I hope Dallas never does talk to them.



So can Peterson, and he's better and more proven that anyone else the Cowboys have a chance of getting. That's why it make sense to at least look into acquiring him.



That's fine. But once Romo is done, so are this team's chances for a championship anytime soon.



And I'll reiterate, it's not simply about the players, or the picks. The cost of keeping Peterson at $13 million, $15 million, and $17 million is an enormous part of the equation, which naysayers seemingly want to disregard.

Minn cap can handle the contract even with his contract they will still be well under the cap. They are sitting in the cat bird seat because they don't have to do a damn thing. Those who are interested in Peterson if you are willing to give up a top draft pick they likely will take that deal. If not then they have a good RB who will help a lot in taking pressure off their QB and again Minn success or failure will likely have much to do with how much their QB develops. Myself I don't think giving up a top pick for an older player is a good move.

Hell I'm more on board with they Hardy deal where we give up nothing and the only way he makes big money is by earning it through incentives but I sure as heck do not want to see Dallas giving up a 2nd and still playing out big money to Peterson, he is not going to play for a cheap price be it in Dallas or Arz or where ever else he may end up, you are still likely looking at 7 mill and up per year.

 

[Silver N Blue]

I have to ask the forum:

What is the best-case scenario you see for the 2015 Minnesota Vikings, with or without Adrian Peterson?

At best, I can see them making the playoffs as a wild card. They're not better than any of the top teams in the NFC and could win one playoff game, tops.

I can't see where that's worth paying Peterson $13 million in 2015.

Hard to say at this point. Right now with AD they are no better than third in that division. Without him are they much worse? I don't think they actually are. The defense and Bridgewater are holding them back right now and making the playoffs seem to be a stretch in either scenario imo.

 

[Stash]

Minn cap can handle the contract even with his contract they will still be well under the cap. They are sitting in the cat bird seat because they don't have to do a damn thing.

Can handle and should handle are two entirely different things. Right now, the Minnesota Vikings are the only team that has to pay Adrian Peterson $45 million over the next 3 years. Nobody else in the league is willing to do that, nor do they have to.

That sure doesn't sound like any 'cat bird seat' I'd want to be sitting in!

Those who are interested in Peterson if you are willing to give up a top draft pick they likely will take that deal. If not then they have a good RB who will help a lot in taking pressure off their QB and again Minn success or failure will likely have much to do with how much their QB develops. Myself I don't think giving up a top pick for an older player is a good move.

What's 'top pick' for you? I'm not sure we've ever clearly discussed that.

Hell I'm more on board with they Hardy deal where we give up nothing and the only way he makes big money is by earning it through incentives but I sure as heck do not want to see Dallas giving up a 2nd and still playing out big money to Peterson, he is not going to play for a cheap price be it in Dallas or Arz or where ever else he may end up, you are still likely looking at 7 mill and up per year.

I'd be grudgingly OK with giving up the second rounder to get him, rather than rolling the dice on the unproven rookie likely to still be available at pick #60. But I would prefer to offer a later round pick this year and a conditional one for 2016.

Give me 'All Day' over anyone other than Gurley or Tevin Coleman all day, every day.

And when I'm otherwise paying an afterthought like Lance Dunbar over $1.5 million, I have little problem paying a Hall of Famer like Peterson $8 million.

 

[Stash]

Hard to say at this point. Right now with AD they are no better than third in that division. Without him are they much worse? I don't think they actually are. The defense and Bridgewater are holding them back right now and making the playoffs seem to be a stretch in either scenerio imo.

That's where I'm at too, and I think all of that money they would be forced to pay Peterson to retain him could be put to much better use filling a multitude of other weaknesses.