Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[phildadon86]

It didn't end well. You had absolutely nothing to back up your argument and you then went on to say I was an undercover Eagles fan. Do you not remember this?

Oh I do. And I fully stand by it. I have lots to back up my argument of Murray only being incredible in one year of his tenure in Dallas. It doesn't take a neurosurgeon to figure it out. Funny thing is I actually liked Murray. Just not for the price he was asking. Which we agreed on. I just find it funny that you can say Gurley is injury prone and not a beast when Murray was essentially the same player.

 

[mattjames2010]

Whatever, you put your foot in your mouth. Your description of Gurley is the exact description one can use for Murray.

Murray IS injury prone I don't care how you want to spin it. One healthy season is why he was taken in the 3rd and he wasn't spectacular when healthy like Gurley is.

Same reason 31 other teams including the Cowboys wanted nothing to do with paying big money to an injury prone back this year.

Gurley up until he hurt his knee was considered a sure fire top 10 pick. Murray wasn't never considered anything but a day 2 or 3 guy.

And I'm glad Murray wasn't considered a day one guy, because there are very few RBs I'd draft in the first. Can you call Murray injury prone? Sure you can. The simple fact is, Gurley has an even worse record of injury in college than Murray did.

 

[superonyx]

Well, I will be here regardless of whether Peterson is or not. The thing is, all of the evidence is on the people who say he won't be here's side. From Stephens quote to what Jerry has said to all these reports saying no interest.

The other side has AP'S phone call to Jerry a year ago and Stephen wearing a purple shirt.

I don't think you are understanding what his post is saying. You missed his point.
He is talking about the wording used when stating your opinion. It doesn't matter where the signs point. Unless you are one of the Jones you can't say with such absolution. It's very off putting.

 

[Stash]

Well, I will be here regardless of whether Peterson is or not. The thing is, all of the evidence is on the people who say he won't be here's side. From Stephens quote to what Jerry had said to all these reports saying no interest.

The other side has AP'S phone call to Jerry a year ago and Stephen wearing a purple shirt.

Until the situation is over, it's all simply a bunch of talk, opinion and speculation.

While I clearly want to acquire Adrian Peterson, I'm not foolish enough to claim "it's going to happen!", but other people are foolish enough to try to claim the opposite.

There are no absolutes in this story either way and anybody trying to claim otherwise is simply lying, trying to present opinion as fact.

Both sides can (and obviously have!) expressed their support or disdain for the idea, but to do anything other than try to support their opinion is simply a waste of time.

 

[KalEl]

It didn't end well. You had absolutely nothing to back up your argument and you then went on to say I was an undercover Eagles fan. Do you not remember this?

You just over ruled yourself dude! Every stat based argument you made for Murray you just threw out the window with your take on "injury prone" Gurley.

 

[CowboyWay]

Thank you for all of your words of wisdom and setting us all straight. I'm very glad you know all of the inside info on this subject, right down to what each and every person wants.


If only you had shared your all-knowing, all-seeing words with us before, we would not have wasted all of our time on this topic.

The only problem with what you're saying is the part where Peterson has his agent publicly campaign to get him away from the team willing to offer him the most money.

Other than that fact blowing a hole in your boat, your case is really strong.

You are delusional. As soon as his agent finds him the best deal, and its worlds away from 13-15 million per year. What do you think the agent is going to recommend he do? Take the pay cut? Its not rocket science, use your head. He's not taking that kind of pay cut. He isn't coming. Deal with it.

 

[KalEl]

And I'm glad Murray wasn't considered a day one guy, because there are very few RBs I'd draft in the first. Can you call Murray injury prone? Sure you can. The simple fact is, Gurley has an even worse record of injury in college than Murray did.

And about half the production too.

 

[mattjames2010]

You just over ruled yourself dude! Every stat based argument you made for Murray you just threw out the window with your take on "injury prone" Gurley.

That I don't consider someone with an injury history a first round pick? Surprise! I'd rather take an RB with relatively not injury history (Gordon being one) than one who only had one healthy season in college.

And I like that you guys keep bringing up the "beast" talk. I have never attached the "beast" label to Murray, look through my old posts and see me use that word. I said Murray, in his rookie season, was on pace to have a great rookie season. I said in 2013 he was on pace to having a great 2013 season but the Cowboys kept taking the ball from him. I said that in response to people saying it was the offensive line making Murray look good.

Don't put words in my mouth, that's one thing that truly pisses me off.

 

[KalEl]

You are delusional. As soon as his agent finds him the best deal, and its worlds away from 13-15 million per year. What do you think the agent is going to recommend he do? Take the pay cut? Its not rocket science, use your head. He's not taking that kind of pay cut. He isn't coming. Deal with it.

Which is exactly why he wants out of MIN. Because they want him to take a pay cut. He called their bluff. Deal with it.

 

[KalEl]

That I don't consider someone with an injury history a first round pick? Surprise! I'd rather take an RB with relatively not injury history (Gordon being one) than one who only had one healthy season in college.

And I like that you guys keep bringing up the "beast" talk. I have never attached the "beast" label to Murray, look through my old posts and see me use that word. I said Murray, in his rookie season, was on pace to have a great rookie season. I said in 2013 he was on pace to having a great 2013 season but the Cowboys kept taking the ball from him. I said that in response to people saying it was the offensive line making Murray look good.

Don't put words in my mouth, that's one thing that truly pisses me off.

Don't put words in my mouth either. I never said you called Murray a beast. I said your description of Gurely fits Murray perfectly. You contradicted your stats don't lie argument for Murray with that.

 

[esloan]

Which is exactly why he wants out of MIN. Because they want him to take a pay cut. He called their bluff. Deal with it.

They did? Source please.

 

[Stash]

You are delusional. As soon as his agent finds him the best deal, and its worlds away from 13-15 million per year. What do you think the agent is going to recommend he do? Take the pay cut? Its not rocket science, use your head. He's not taking that kind of pay cut. He isn't coming. Deal with it.

You 'deal with it'!

And the fact that you don't know nearly as much as you think you do.

 

[mattjames2010]

Don't put words in my mouth either. I never said you called Murray a beast. I said your description of Gurely fits Murray perfectly. You contradicted your stats don't lie argument for Murray with that.

At this point, I don't even know what you're on about. We never discussed Murray before being drafted and he wasn't a first round pick. We are discussing Gurley being a freakin' top 10-15 player, I am arguing against that. Not that Gurley isn't worth a damn.

Stats don't lie? Again, not sure what you're talking about. What stats of Murray and Gurley are you referencing here?

 

[Cowboys22]

Is Jerry senial? He said yesterday that its highly unlikely they would trade for player at this time because player's values are highly diminished this time of year because everyone wants draft picks. Isn't that the perfect time to trade for a player? Maybe he means teams are unlikely to trade players because of this but teams desperate to get something for a player should be ripe for the picking on draft day. I hope he was just continuing to negotiate through the media.

 

[mattjames2010]

You 'deal with it'!

And the fact that you don't know nearly as much as you think you do.

Such an idiotic stance to take by some people. That because you don't know for 100% certainty, you can't claim to be "sure".

You have to have some basis for your claims. The "Peterson coming to Dallas" has to have SOME evidence, where is the evidence? So people be skeptical or saying for a fact that he is not coming is far closer to the truth than saying a deal is happening behind the scenes.

 

[burmafrd]

if jerruh wants AP here he will be. Otherwise not.

 

[Stash]

Such an idiotic stance to take by some people.

You would be the expert on that around here...

That because you don't know for 100% certainty, you can't claim to be "sure".

Not that you can't, but that people look like idiots when they do. Go ahead and tell everybody the sky is absolutely green, it would be par for the course. Maybe you should go back and re-examine how you interact with other posters, because you come off as someone who thinks they have it all figured out and know better than anybody else. Maybe it's accidental? A shame if it's on purpose and you actually believe that.

You have to have some basis for your claims. The "Peterson coming to Dallas" has to have SOME evidence, where is the evidence? So people be skeptical or saying for a fact that he is not coming is far closer to the truth than saying a deal is happening behind the scenes.

That's where you're entirely, completely, and utterly wrong. This story isn't written until it's over and done with, no matter how badly all of the know-it-alls need to feed their need to be right.

There's no 'evidence' because if there were any made public, it would be tampering. And rather than understanding this fact, naysayers want to point to it as their 'smoking gun' and think that it somehow supports their position.

You want to point to quotes as evidence, as if everything anyone has ever said in the NFL has always been 100% fact, because, after all, they owe you the complete truth at all time, right? You're you after all...

If anyone is foolish enough to want to claim that people in the NFL have never said one thing and done another, have at it!

Just try to make that case.

 

[Silver N Blue]

There isn't one. It's his own imagination and pot stirring.

Stephen Jones wore a purple shirt yesterday. That trade benefited all parties and gave Esloan, Mj, and Jim what they wanted. Liquor store guy confirmed the trade.

 

[esloan]

Stephen Jones wore a purple shirt yesterday. That trade benefited all parties and gave Esloan, Mj, and Jim what they wanted. Liquor store guy confirmed the trade.

I'm wondering: do you really think these posts are funny?

 

[mattjames2010]

You would be the expert on that around here...



Not that you can't, but that people look like idiots when they do. Go ahead and tell everybody the sky is absolutely green, it would be par for the course. Maybe you should go back and re-examine how you interact with other posters, because you come off as someone who thinks they have it all figured out and know better than anybody else. Maybe it's accidental? A shame if it's on purpose and you actually believe that.



That's where you're entirely, completely, and utterly wrong. This story isn't written until it's over and done with, no matter how badly all of the know-it-alls need to feed their need to be right.

There's no 'evidence' because if there were any made public, it would be tampering. And rather than understanding this fact, naysayers want to point to it as their 'smoking gun' and think that it somehow supports their position.

You want to point to quotes as evidence, as if everything anyone has ever said in the NFL has always been 100% fact, because, after all, they owe you the complete truth at all time, right? You're you after all...

If anyone is foolish enough to want to claim that people in the NFL have never said one thing and done another, have at it!

Just try to make that case.

Admit it, this is more about your wishful thinking diminishing.

The probability of us trading for Peterson is very, very low. Because of this, I'm fine with saying I'm certain that he's not coming to Dallas through a trade before the draft.

Peterson isn't coming to Dallas. I'll be back here to discuss the rookie RB we draft with you, okay?