Adrian Peterson wants to be a Cowboy

[KJJ]

Murray left 300 yards on the field last year. He's just a good back that had a great season behind an extraordinary offensive line.

Peterson is rested and healthy, and here, he wouldn't have to do literally everything by himself.

He left 300 yards on the field and the OL is extraordinary? lol He didn't come close to leaving 300 yards on the field unless you care to point out every yard he left out there. The OL is very good but far from "extraordinary." Some of you are getting far too carried away with the OL one FAN already has it ranked ahead of the Great Wall of Dallas of the 90's. The most productive rushing performance of Murray's career which was a franchise record 253 yards happened 4 years ago before this OL was even built. He had a 175 yard performance in 2013 before Martin was added upfront. He was running all over Baltimore in 2013 who went on to win the SB that season but an injury knocked him out of that game and the next 6 games. Missed games due to injuries are what kept him from having several productive seasons. No question the OL played a big part in the season he had in 2014 but staying healthy and not missing any games also played a big part. As for Peterson being rested sitting out a year isn't going to do a 29 year old back any good. Inactivity can cause a back to go stale especially an aging back.

His mind hasn't been rested he's been dealing with some serious off the field issues that has taken him completely away from football. Can't imagine he's been training much with the allegations he faced the past year and trying to get reinstated. It's damaged his reputation and you would have to assume it's taken a toll on him mentally. The theory some have is he will use all of this as motivation but the question is whether he can move past all this and focus on football. Once Tiger Woods went through his off the course issues that damaged his reputation forcing hm to take time off he was never the same player once he returned. Here we are in March and AP is still haggling with the Vikings over his future.

 

[wileedog]

yes 102 more carries and over 400 yards that is still a lot. As for long term deal I don't see a 3 to 4 year deal as a big issue for a guy in his prime.

I don't think Murray signs a deal less than 4, and I think with his physical running style he is going to fall off a cliff quickly when he goes, a la Barber. And again there is the question if he can stay healthy, full seasons are not a hallmark of his, even going back to college.

Again, if AP can be had for a 1-2 year show me deal or hometown tour, I would prefer that while we pick up a replacement in a RB deep draft this year. Or heck, maybe even skip AP and go with the draft. I'm leery that Murray is going to come off a 450 touch season and keep producing at this level consistently the next few years, and considering I don't consider him elite in the first place it will not take much drop off before he is a very average back IMO.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think Murray signs a deal less than 4, and I think with his physical running style he is going to fall off a cliff quickly when he goes, a la Barber. And again there is the question if he can stay healthy, full seasons are not a hallmark of his, even going back to college.

Again, if AP can be had for a 1-2 year show me deal or hometown tour, I would prefer that while we pick up a replacement in a RB deep draft this year. Or heck, maybe even skip AP and go with the draft. I'm leery that Murray is going to come off a 450 touch season and keep producing at this level consistently the next few years, and considering I don't consider him elite in the first place it will not take much drop off before he is a very average back IMO.

and AP has the same upright running style. Sorry I don't see Murray dropping off he is in great shape and the carries of this past season will be 6 months removed so I'm not worried he will all of a sudden not be able to do the job. I certainly do not expect 2000 combined yards from him or any RB I do expect him to continue to produce at a high level and bring all other aspect of his game to the table such as blocking and receiving. I guess having a lower view of Murray in the 1st place is reason enough to see where we differ

 

[LatinMind]

and AP has the same upright running style. Sorry I don't see Murray dropping off he is in great shape and the carries of this past season will be 6 months removed so I'm not worried he will all of a sudden not be able to do the job. I certainly do not expect 2000 combined yards from him or any RB I do expect him to continue to produce at a high level and bring all other aspect of his game to the table such as blocking and receiving. I guess having a lower view of Murray in the 1st place is reason enough to see where we differ

Eddie George was in great shape too. But once he hit that 400 carry in his 5th season he never went over 3.4yrds a carry and his highest total rushing after that was 1165 yrds. This 400 carry thing isnt an urban legend, there plenty of data to back it up

 

[wileedog]

and AP has the same upright running style.

It's not so much the upright style as Murray's tendency to seek contact.

I guess having a lower view of Murray in the 1st place is reason enough to see where we differ

Probably. I also am not convinced that after AP's phenomenal 2012 the fact that his numbers returned to be in line with his career norms is necessarily an indicator of his 'decline' (and one game in 2014 is too small a sample size to judge anything).

It may be a sign, but average or declining AP > best of Murray IMO.

 

[Doomsday101]

Eddie George was in great shape too. But once he hit that 400 carry in his 5th season he never went over 3.4yrds a carry and his highest total rushing after that was 1165 yrds. This 400 carry thing isnt an urban legend, there plenty of data to back it up

Eddie George only had 2 season where he avg 4.1 carries a game for most of his career was in the 3.? range. So using George as an example is a joke. Murray lowest avg per carry 4.1 in year 2 outside of that he has avg 4.7, 5.2 and 5.5

 

[Doomsday101]

It's not so much the upright style as Murray's tendency to seek contact.



Probably. I also am not convinced that after AP's phenomenal 2012 the fact that his numbers returned to be in line with his career norms is necessarily an indicator of his 'decline' (and one game in 2014 is too small a sample size to judge anything).

It may be a sign, but average or declining AP > best of Murray IMO.

In your opinion, fair enough. I don't want some 30 year old back and if by chance he were to come I would hope it would be cheap but I don't think Peterson is looking for cheap or hometown discounts.

 

[Beast_from_East]

@MasterStrib: Peterson meets w/Spielman and Zimmer, per @KHOUSports. I'm sure someone has already over analyzed their hugs #Vikings http://t.co/j3585nyoHO

Got to admit, that for not playing in over a year Peterson still looks ripped in that white t-shirt.

If I took a year off from work, I would probably have a beer belly...........LOL

 

[LatinMind]

Eddie George only had 2 season where he avg 4.1 carries a game for most of his career was in the 3.? range. So using George as an example is a joke. Murray lowest avg per carry 4.1 in year 2 outside of that he has avg 4.7, 5.2 and 5.5

Well then Look at Larry Johnson's avgs and Jamal Lewis' avgs ect...

 

[Beast_from_East]

what is everyone opionin on our rb situation if both MURRAY and ap are in the realm of 7-8 million a year. Do you take which one and draft a guy early ? Let's say second to third round ? Or do you ride one of them out w Williams and randle ?

Being 30 yrs old, not played in over a year, he still looks more ripped in that pic than Demarco does today.

Just saying Peterson is an athletic freak and could probably play at a high level into his mid 30s the way he takes care of his body. So if both are available, I have to take Peterson over Murray.

 

[Hardline]

I only want to see one of these three RBs lining up behind Romo next year.

Murray
Peterson
Gurley.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well then Look at Larry Johnson's avgs and Jamal Lewis' avgs ect...

and everyone has a different story it is not all about the carries. Larry Johnson had some very bad injuries that had nothing to do with past carries not to mentioned off the field issues. You look at a number but there is more behind the story than the numbers alone. It is great to package up some stats and throw them out there but when you dig deeper it was not about the carries

 

[wileedog]

In your opinion, fair enough. I don't want some 30 year old back and if by chance he were to come I would hope it would be cheap but I don't think Peterson is looking for cheap or hometown discounts.

And to be clear I wouldn't give AP the money or years Murray is about to get either. If AP is looking for a payday he can head over to Houston or something. My opinion is predicated on that hometown discount, and I agree you are probably right about him settling for that.

End of the day I think we should take advantage of having some quality RBs in the draft coinciding with our RB's walk year and sign some 2nd tier veteran backups/mentors for him. I don't feel Murray is worth elite back money, and after last season he will probably get it.

 

[Doomsday101]

And to be clear I wouldn't give AP the money or years Murray is about to get either. If AP is looking for a payday he can head over to Houston or something. My opinion is predicated on that hometown discount, and I agree you are probably right about him settling for that.

End of the day I think we should take advantage of having some quality RBs in the draft coinciding with our RB's walk year and sign some 2nd tier veteran backups/mentors for him. I don't feel Murray is worth elite back money, and after last season he will probably get it.

I don't see him getting AP money, Lynch money, Jamal Charles money, McCoy Money or Foster money I do expect a fair deal which would be around 6 to 7 mill. The guys I mentioned are getting paid better than that.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

And to be clear I wouldn't give AP the money or years Murray is about to get either. If AP is looking for a payday he can head over to Houston or something. My opinion is predicated on that hometown discount, and I agree you are probably right about him settling for that.

End of the day I think we should take advantage of having some quality RBs in the draft coinciding with our RB's walk year and sign some 2nd tier veteran backups/mentors for him. I don't feel Murray is worth elite back money, and after last season he will probably get it.

That's a level headed approach that I would have no problems with if Murray isn't back. Depending on how a deal was written for Murray I don't see seven mill breaking the bank or on the higher end. If 27 is to old get younger.

 

[tyke1doe]

Eddie George was in great shape too. But once he hit that 400 carry in his 5th season he never went over 3.4yrds a carry and his highest total rushing after that was 1165 yrds. This 400 carry thing isnt an urban legend, there plenty of data to back it up

I can't think of the Cowboyszone poster who had a picture of his jersey with 2.7. Was he you?

 

[tyke1doe]

I know this is a AP/Murray thread, but I did like this section of an article about AP's desire to be a Cowboy.

"The only way to break out is to gamble -- take a chance with that first pick, if you wanna dramatically improve your team. That's why I wanted Manziel but I was the only guy who wanted him. I listened to everybody ... And I'm ... not ... happy ..."

I'm glad no one listened to him, and he didn't overrule them.

 

[phildadon86]

I am sorry to beat a dead horse here. In the open field AP is leaps and bounds above Murray. If someone wants to debate that im all for it. You will lose

 

[KJJ]

I am sorry to beat a dead horse here. In the open field AP is leaps and bounds above Murray. If someone wants to debate that im all for it. You will lose

Haven't seen anyone debate that but someone claimed Murray is awful in space which is not true.

 

[phildadon86]

Haven't seen anyone debate that but someone claimed Murray is awful in space which is not true.

Oh he isnt awful. But he sure seems to lack vision a lot of the time