After cuts and restructures, how much Cap room can we have left?

[conner01]

They can't wait until June 1st to do something with Ware. All of the free agents will be gone by then. They free up 7.5M by cutting him in March. That is enough to sign 2 players to 50M contracts or 4 players to 25M contracts. Carr's first year cap hit on his 50M contract was 3.6M (3.6M x 2 = 7.2M).

you can designate a player a june 1 cut and still cut him before free agency. his salry remains on the books but we will have money. he clears money either way so its all about do we need money this year more than next? if so then just cut him and designate him a june 1 cut before free agency. you don't have his money to spend but we will still have plenty knowing that another big chunk is coming in june
either way they deside to do it i think it's a move that while a tough choice because i love the player, but needs to be made

 

[supercowboy8]

You have to add in 1/4 or 1/5 of the restructure bonus. He has 4 years remaining which would make it 1/4, but they could add a year which would make it 1/5.

I'll use 1/5 which would result in the lowest possible 2014 cap hit:

$3,753,750 Prorated Bonus
$12,250,000 Base
$840,000 Veteran Minimum

$11,410,000 Base - Veteran Min {this is the restructure bonus}
$2,282,000 (Restructure Bonus) / 5

2014 Total
$6,875,750 (Vet Min + Pro Rated Bonus + Restructure Bonus / 5)

Correct. Still cheaper than his 16 million current cap hit and saves an extra million than cutting him.

 

[xwalker]

you can designate a player a june 1 cut and still cut him before free agency. his salry remains on the books but we will have money. he clears money either way so its all about do we need money this year more than next? if so then just cut him and designate him a june 1 cut before free agency. you don't have his money to spend but we will still have plenty knowing that another big chunk is coming in june
either way they deside to do it i think it's a move that while a tough choice because i love the player, but needs to be made

What would be the point of making him a June 1st cut? All the free agents would be gone by then. Cutting him early is better for both 2014 and 2015.

 

[xwalker]

Miles yes as a june 1st, only way he stays if he takes a pay cut.

Ware will be extended to a new deal, you might hate it but it will happen.
Ware is going to be a 16 million cap hit and would save 7.5 by releasing him.
Ware has 3 year left on his current deal. We could restructure or sign a new deal that will give him a 4 or 5 year with a 12 million signing bonus. structure it where he takes league minimum as salary in 2014 because he gets his 12 million signing bonus. So his cap hit goes from 16 million to just 3 million. saving us 13 million in 2014 and saving next year too compared to what his cap hit will be next year. Make the last 2 years salary very high but we could cut him then at no major cap hit.

http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Cowboys&Year=2014

Correct. Still cheaper than his 16 million current cap hit and saves an extra million than cutting him.

It is what I said in my first reply, that his cap hit would not be 3M if restructured.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Thakns to xwalker for trying his hardest in this thread.

 

[xwalker]

We should make DT Linval Joseph our first priority in FA. If possible we need to go after DE Jared Allen as well. On top of that we need to draft more players on the Dline. This is very possible.

Linval Joseph would be a solid 1-tech DT and is only 25. He is exactly the type of free agent that the Cowboys need.

Jared Allen is the same age as Ware; although Allen is healthier and will probably get significantly less than Ware's 12.25M salary. I would prefer that they focus on YOUNG free agents; however, I would take Allen straight up over Ware and would definitely prefer Allen at 3/4 or 1/2 of Ware's salary.

 

[T-RO]

I would put all efforts towards peaking in 2015. If a player is unlikely to be on the team in 2015, then I don't want him in 2014. I would just move on from Ware, Austin, Spencer, and Hatcher.

I agree with this. Even as a big Romo fan I advocated in a big thread here last offseason that we should have tried to trade him for picks and be willing to suck in '13. Clear our debt. Clear dead wood. Reload.

The Cowboys are going to really regret not doing that.

 

[mahoneybill]

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Speculation:

Miles, Spencer, Hatcher and Ware get cut.

Lee, Romo, Witten and Carr restructured.

Nice list.

 

[theSHOW]

I doubt anyone would trade for Ware because they wouldn't want to assume the base left on his contract.

What does your crystal ball say about Sean Lee. I would take a 3rd round pick for him any chance we could include him with Ware and get some young guns in Dallas to retool at a lower cap cost.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

What does your crystal ball say about Sean Lee. I would take a 3rd round pick for him any chance we could include him with Ware and get some young guns in Dallas to retool at a lower cap cost.

There's no chance that Sean Lee is going to be traded.

Sean Lee's not old.

Ware won't be traded. He'll either be cut or he'll accept a salary decrease.

 

[Kaiser]

IMO -

Austin gone for sure

Hatcher returns, Spencer comes back on an incentive based one year deal to rebuild value.

Ware restructures down, the usual contracts like Romo, Witten, etc are restructured to convert salary to bonuses.

A DL is signed in FA, along with a veteran backup LB or two.

Waters resigns 15 minutes after the final preseason game.

 

[theSHOW]

There's no chance that Sean Lee is going to be traded.

Sean Lee's not old.

Ware won't be traded. He'll either be cut or he'll accept a salary decrease.

I can understand your logic. I believe that Ware is valued by some team that would trade a pick. Same with Lee. Lee has value because of his age. Lee also now comes with a big contract and a rich history of ...ugh..injuries of all sorts. I stand by my hope for a trade and that being said would gladly taken nothing in return for the release of Ware. As far as Sean, it has been said before what a nice player he is, that is when he is around. Jerrah made a serious mistake when he agreed in writing to give over 7 mil per season to a player who can't stay on the field. So there is a chance. If the Cowboys could get a fair deal done for our talented MLB I would support a draft pick for Sean Lee deal.

 

[supercowboy8]

It is what I said in my first reply, that his cap hit would not be 3M if restructured.

yes but i forgot to add on his prorated, hi prorated plus 3 million which I said would be the new cap hit which is still a 10 million cap savings for his original 16 million cap hit if we do nothing

 

[supercowboy8]

make the proper cuts and restructures and renegotiated deals and free up alot of money and go get Michael Bennett, Henry Melton, and Jarius Byrd

 

[TwentyOne]

What's wrong with you. How conveniently you left out my naming of Ware ....

Cutting Austin bevor June: 7.8mil cap hit
Keeping Austin: 8.2mil cap hit.

I do not see a big saving here.

Ware could save us 7.5 mil. But we'd also had an 8.5mil cap hit. So this is no option.

You should rather ask yourself whats wrong with you ?!
Maybe stop writing in pure emotion but start reading and thinking before it ? So you dont have to offend people because you misunderstood something.

I just replied to your post because it was not correct. If you cant handle being incorrect i suggest you do better research before you post.

 

[TwentyOne]

You have to add in 1/4 or 1/5 of the restructure bonus. He has 4 years remaining which would make it 1/4, but they could add a year which would make it 1/5.

I'll use 1/5 which would result in the lowest possible 2014 cap hit:

$3,753,750 Prorated Bonus
$12,250,000 Base
$840,000 Veteran Minimum

$11,410,000 Base - Veteran Min {this is the restructure bonus}
$2,282,000 (Restructure Bonus) / 5

2014 Total
$6,875,750 (Vet Min + Pro Rated Bonus + Restructure Bonus / 5)

As i wrote the problem with ware is not next year (2014) the problem with ware is 2015 and the following years IF you restructure his contract in 2014.

You cant get his cap hit down to 4 millions. His restructure bonus alone is 3.7mills for 2014. If you restructure agin in 2014 say over the last 4 years of his contract that will be +2.5 mils in 2014. Plus his vet minimum about 850k thats around a 7 mill hit.

But restructuring will be hard. If you do so you cant release him in 2015. because the cap hit would be around 13 mills. without releasing him his cap hit would be 20mils. so you'd have to restructure again because we cant afford that.

Problem is you cant save cap money. eventually you gotta pay. and he wont be able to play forever. so restructuring wont be an option forever. and all the cap money you delayed into the future will be accumulated into one big figure.

IMO the solution with wre cant be restructuring. it must be

a) paycut or
b) pay him his contract this year and cut him next year where the dead money will be "only" 5mils.

 

[Mookie]

Cutting Orton would save money for sure also.

 

[theSHOW]

You should rather ask yourself whats wrong with you ?!
Maybe stop writing in pure emotion but start reading and thinking before it ? So you dont have to offend people because you misunderstood something.

I will list the entire statement not 1 line

...................and it looks like somebody is getting emotional......if "they" are offended, I guarantee they were offended before they met me. Try to understand that.

What's wrong with you. How conveniently you left out my naming of Ware who in fact will save the team 7.4 million when we release or trade him. His 2014 cap number is 16 mil and in 2017 is 17.5 mil Imagine that! ....as for Austin, I cut him in June and free up $5.5 million to move the Cowboys to around $6 million in cap space which can used for the rookie class when they sign in June and July.
cap wise ....
We have two players getting a majority of the money next year. Romo and Carr.
Romo the only thing we can do with him is restructure. Not even possible to cut him.
Carr.... solid for the most part...(looked terrible Sunday) .... but I've never thought he was 12-13 million a year solid ...... we really need to rethink him.
Fastest way to fix our cap would be redo Romo .... and bite the bullet on Carr... and just eat it ...... With Jerry not likely to happen.
We're in cap hell from back money being pushed forward..... gonna be hard to fix this brown stuff Jerry has us knee high in.
Can't cut Carr...too much dead money 16.8 million .... split it over two years... saves us 4 million next year....
If he plays he cost 12.2 to be on the field Second highest paid on the field next year ... behind only Romo
12.7 and then 13.8 the following two years ..But restructure Romo .....When we get free of the dead money on Carr we could pay off Romo and in 2 years
be out of cap Purgatory. And even Jerry won't overpay in free agency this year.
Just my 2 cents on this though ...... Possibly the worst defense in history ...
Not a single player on it should make 10 mil a season much less more than that.

and I commented in detail with detailed facts on our cap problems about 10 other times in this thread having adult conversations with Cowboys fans. Maybe I should have recommended a chill pill to the ones that were offended. This is football so If "they" can't handle a discussion maybe "they" should take a break.

 

[jobberone]

I never thought I'd be saying this but Ware needs to renegotiate his contract. Miles needs to renegotiate his as well or play elsewhere. Free is a bargain right now.

 

[jobberone]

Oh, forgot. I believe you can designate one vet as a Jun 1 cut and release them early. Helps the team and the player.