After the season is over I dont think anyone will argue on Merriman

[Kalyan]

When I see how Ware plays, it looks like his role is to have containment on the outside especially against McNabb/Westbrook or Vince young of Tenn. His only option is to rush the tackle back into the quarterback to have containment on the outside and still apply pressure to prevent the quarterbacks to run outside or screen plays. Anybody else feel that way in Zimmers defense?

 

[watertown]

I think teams are a little more concerned about Ware than Williams

 

[StarAmongStars]

I realize what you are saying, and the stats would seem to support your opinion at a glance. But, take away 1 game against the worst team in the NFL, and Merriman has .5 more sacks on the season despite rushing the qb on what I would guess is a 2-1 or 3-2 ratio as compared with D. Ware.

Merriman is a beast, no doubt about it, but Demarcus is a much more well rounded, complete player, and I'd rather have him on my team that Merriman. JMHO

Sorry but the Merriman's numbers say otherwise.....

 

[superpunk]

Sorry but the Merriman's numbers say otherwise.....

Wooooooh!

Numbers.

 

[raichledog]

Sorry but the Merriman's numbers say otherwise.....

how exactly do the numbers say that I'd rather have Merriman on my team?

I made an opinion statement, based on overall play. Merriman does have an advantage in sacks, I'll concede that, but I'll still take Ware over him.

 

[StarAmongStars]

how exactly do the numbers say that I'd rather have Merriman on my team?

I made an opinion statement, based on overall play. Merriman does have an advantage in sacks, I'll concede that, but I'll still take Ware over him.

Let's not be homers here, I'm glad we have Ware he's no doubt a top young player with tremendous upside....but Merriman is a monster.....you can't stop him, only hope to contain him type of player.....Ware has been shut down easily at times and disappears for significant periods of time.

I need consistency on my football team! And Merriman is the type of player that can elevate an average defense to a great one.

 

[superpunk]

but Merriman is a monster.....you can't stop him, only hope to contain him type of player.

Tell that to the teams with an IQ above -120 that actually have held him to human standards. They'll probably feel pretty good knowing that they stopped the unstoppable.

 

[raichledog]

Let's not be homers here, I'm glad we have Ware he's no doubt a top young player with tremendous upside....but Merriman is a monster.....you can't stop him, only hope to contain him type of player.....Ware has been shut down easily at times and disappears for significant periods of time.

I need consistency on my football team! And Merriman is the type of player that can elevate an average defense to a great one.

interesting, because as I've said a couple of times, take away his first game and how many more sacks does he have? That's your definition of consistently unstoppable? Does the fact that he rushes the qb on a 2-1, maybe 3-2 ratio compared with Ware have any bearing on those numbers?

How exactly is that being a homer? I give Merriman his props, I just think Ware is better OVERALL.

 

[iceberg]

he's at 5.5 sacks now compared to 2 sacks for ware...and will probably hit 12 or 13...ware probably will be right around 8 again...i dont think there will be any argument that we should have drafted merriman..he is a beast...teams are worried about him and they account for him like they do for roy williams...just think if we had two players like that on our team! bad move jerrah...should have drafted the better passrusher...he is a game changer while ware is just a good player...merriman will be great if he is not already...and i dont want to hear about this zimmer bend but dont break defense...i see ware rushing ALOT AND HE JUST CANT GET THERE...BOTTOM LINE

1) we can't change the past - it's done.
2) you can't get him on this team, it's over.
3) you can't change the 1st two bullets

LET IT FREAKING GO PEOPLE!

geez - it's as if you whine enough we can change the past.

 

[StarAmongStars]

Tell that to the teams with an IQ above -120 that actually have held him to human standards. They'll probably feel pretty good knowing that they stopped the unstoppable.

San Diego is the best team in the AFC and we could be facing them in the superbowl.....

 

[iceberg]

San Diego is the best team in the AFC and we could be facing them in the superbowl.....

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1:

can we win 2 games in a row before we pick our superbowl opponants?

 

[Jarv]

Let's not be homers here, I'm glad we have Ware he's no doubt a top young player with tremendous upside....but Merriman is a monster.....you can't stop him, only hope to contain him type of player.....Ware has been shut down easily at times and disappears for significant periods of time.

I need consistency on my football team! And Merriman is the type of player that can elevate an average defense to a great one.

Merriman was not better than Ware last year, nor will he be this year. As far as stats go Merrirman beat Ware in sacks last year, 10-8.

Ware had more tackles...tackles for loss (want to argue TFL vs. sacks and their importance...another thread sometime), forced fumbles and fumble recoveries.

This year its shaping up for the same thing, Merrimen getting more sacks, with Ware leading the other departments.

By the way, they are tied with 1 INT each, difference is that Ware ran his back for a TD. So Ware leads in the scoring department also.

 

[superpunk]

San Diego is the best team in the AFC and we could be facing them in the superbowl.....

 

[StarAmongStars]

interesting, because as I've said a couple of times, take away his first game and how many more sacks does he have? That's your definition of consistently unstoppable? Does the fact that he rushes the qb on a 2-1, maybe 3-2 ratio compared with Ware have any bearing on those numbers?

How exactly is that being a homer? I give Merriman his props, I just think Ware is better OVERALL.

I had Merriman graded as a top 5 overall prospect before the 2005 draft, Ware in the middle of the first round (right where we picked him).....don't get me wrong I'm glad we got ware and think he is going to get better, but I would take Merriman anyday over him because of better overall raw talent.

 

[StarAmongStars]

Merriman was not better than Ware last year, nor will he be this year. As far as stats go Merrirman beat Ware in sacks last year, 10-8.

Ware had more tackles...tackles for loss (want to argue TFL vs. sacks and their importance...another thread sometime), forced fumbles and fumble recoveries.

This year its shaping up for the same thing, Merrimen getting more sacks, with Ware leading the other departments.

By the way, they are tied with 1 INT each, difference is that Ware ran his back for a TD. So Ware leads in the scoring department also.

Ware went what....six straight games without a sack last year?

Sorry but I need more consistency on my defensive front......Merriman is wreaking havoc week after week, play after play.....

 

[hmcorp]

the chargers have played some of the worst teams in the NFL besides the steelers. and they lost to the baltimore ravens.

because merriman couldnt tackle.

our run defense speaks for itself.

and our pass defense would be in the top 10 if pat watkins doesnt mess up three times against the eagles.

then we would have the #1 defense and san diego could shove it.

 

[raichledog]

I had Merriman graded as a top 5 overall prospect before the 2005 draft, Ware in the middle of the first round (right where we picked him).....don't get me wrong I'm glad we got ware and think he is going to get better, but I would take Merriman anyday over him because of better overall raw talent.

Cool, well lets just agree to disagree. I didn't have Merriman rated as top 5 that's for sure, but I had he and Ware graded very similarily. They went 11 and 12, so to me that sounds about right.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Merriman was not better than Ware last year, nor will he be this year. As far as stats go Merrirman beat Ware in sacks last year, 10-8.

Ware had more tackles...tackles for loss (want to argue TFL vs. sacks and their importance...another thread sometime), forced fumbles and fumble recoveries.

This year its shaping up for the same thing, Merrimen getting more sacks, with Ware leading the other departments.

By the way, they are tied with 1 INT each, difference is that Ware ran his back for a TD. So Ware leads in the scoring department also.

If what you post is in fact true.... then this thread should be closed and never started again.

 

[31smackdown]

Go watch Merrimans sacks or big plays and then go watch Ware's... You will find out that Merriman is very often in a two point stance, a yard off the ball and gets either a running start at the tackle or stunts with another LB that comes to play end. Also a lot of his sacks are from the left side, not the right and then even after that a lot of them happen when the Qb is pressured and flushed up or out of the pocket creating the opportunity. I mean the guy plays with a lot of hussle and will sacrifice his body, but Ware and Merriman are not doing the same thing and have different factors in their opportunities. Many of Merriman's sacks or plays come when they are try to pull a guard or TE to block him or sending a RB his way and he is too quick and has a running start to easily get around them.

Ware's plays and sacks are half the time out of a four point stance, on the LOS, directly beating the LT and making a play... most of the time with no other pressure, other than an rare contain pressure from Ellis on the other side.

San Diego gets a much bigger push up the middle from Williams and co.

I just don't see how you can make the statement that Merriman is an obviously better player... maybe Ware needs to dance and scream more after every play so he gets more attention

 

[STSINAZ]

ware is too two dimentional right now...bull rush or speed rush...not hard to defend...i thought the guy was going to be a beast!