Aikman on WFAN in NY

[Fletch]

What right call is he referring to? Because the flag pickup was the right call.

You know, that Hitchens play. The one where there was like 8:43 seconds still on the clock with the Lions still winning the game. How many opportunities did they get after that one call? They had a few. Sorry that the Cowboys just outplayed the more talented Lions.

 

[percyhoward]

Aikman's full quote:

"It's hard to say with any real certainty, but it's likely that it cost Detroit the game. It's likely that they win the game if that pass interference was upheld. The fact that it was overturned was surprising...Hey, we all know that those things happen. To me, the most penal penalty in the NFL is pass interference, and I think that that call should be reviewable."

 

[ilovejerry]

I'm sorry, but I can't stand Aikman anymore.

your right he is absolutely sickening

 

[Sportsbabe]

He's a professional. A professional isn't supposed to act like a fan. Fans aren't getting the job Aikman has.

Troy is foul. How he going to be definitive with 8 minutes, Det being shut down thus far, Dal game picking up, Dal history and other intangibles. Professionalism is the last thing Mr. Hall of Fame should be concerned about.

 

[Nav22]

Aikman was deadly accurate.

I know he was. Romo's still the better player.

 

[visionary]

If you go on Expected Win % from the computers, IIRC...it was greater than 50% for the Lions if they got the first down. So technically Aikman is correct.

I just find it funny because up until that point, the refs were bad in favor of the *Lions*. They took away a critical 3rd down conversion on a bogus offensive PI call on Williams and a TD from Murray on a bugs holding penalty on Witten.

Certainly, the refereeing was a big story in the game. But it definitely worked against the Cowboys. The difference was that the Cowboys were able to overcome it and the Lions weren't. That was the other part of the story of the game.

But it's Dallas, so we must cook up conspiracy theories and treat the call like it was the worst call ever and well...just make things up like 'I've never seen the make an announcement and then pick up the flag!' (happened last year in the Pats v. Carolina game, happened back in 2005 game against the Niners).

Just more of people that can't be objective and think on their own.






YR

Spot on
I wish aikman hadn't said that

 

[wick]

I was vaguely recalling that Aikman played in a Superbowl with a torn calf?

Am I recollecting that correctly?

Why do people think this? Did they miss the last 8 minutes of the contest?!

Technically, he's not wrong. Dallas likely would have lost had the call been made. Of course, Dallas likely should have lost anyway based on the score and game situation. I think it increased our odds from something like 22 percent to 35 percent or so.

 

[AdamJT13]

Several articles I read stated that Detroit's win % with the PI penalty was 78% and 66% without it. I have also seen where a few officials have said that Holding, not PI was the call that should have been made. If you go off of Holding, they get 5 yards and a new set of downs. I have no idea what their win probability is with that call, but it would have to be more than 66%, but less than 78%. At any rate, Detroit still had a 66% probability after the "non call", and couldn't hold the lead.

Using pro-football-reference's Win Probablility calculator, the Lions' chances of winning were 86.8 percent if the PI had stood, 83.8 percent if the holding had been called instead and 67.9 percent after the flag was picked up. Even after the shanked punt, Detroit still had a 53 percent chance of winning, and it was up to 65.6 percent before Romo's pass to Witten on fourth-and-6.

 

[links18]

THERE ARE ACTUALLY COMPUTER PROGRAMS PREDICTING WHO LIKELY WINS ON ANY GIVEN DOWN? What's the point of actually playing the games anymore?

 

[links18]

Using pro-football-reference's Win Probablility calculator, the Lions' chances of winning were 86.8 percent if the PI had stood, 83.8 percent if the holding had been called instead and 67.9 percent after the flag was picked up. Even after the shanked punt, Detroit still had a 53 percent chance of winning, and it was up to 65.6 percent before Romo's pass to Witten on fourth-and-6.

So they were "likely to win" anyway? So, they can't really blame that call for why they lost?

 

[LandryFan]

Using pro-football-reference's Win Probablility calculator, the Lions' chances of winning were 86.8 percent if the PI had stood, 83.8 percent if the holding had been called instead and 67.9 percent after the flag was picked up. Even after the shanked punt, Detroit still had a 53 percent chance of winning, and it was up to 65.6 percent before Romo's pass to Witten on fourth-and-6.

I guess there are various models being used, depending on the reporting outlet. At any rate, I would defer to your numbers based on everything I've seen you provide in the past. Thanks for providing the data.

 

[mahoneybill]

He's a professional. A professional isn't supposed to act like a fan. Fans aren't getting the job Aikman has.

He can be both.... Don't expect him to be a " Homer" but would like some support from someone who an organization gave a great opportunity to by building a team around him to ensure success. Otherwise he may have wound up like Archie Manning... stats and not much more

 

[links18]

I think if Aikman would have said "if that call had stood the Lions would have had a better chance of winning," he would have been fine. But to say the Lions "were likely to have won" is a whole other way of putting it that seems to take away from the contingency of sports. There is a reason why they play the games and don't award victories based on computer derived probabilities.

 

[KINGMACK]

I'm sorry, but I can't stand Aikman anymore.

Aikman's a joke

 

[tyke1doe]

not quite. he goes too far the other way and fans the 31 other teams.

And many non-Cowboys fans think he's a Cowboys homer. It's all a matter of perspective. I don't think he's any harder or fairer on the Cowboys.

 

[tyke1doe]

Troy is foul. How he going to be definitive with 8 minutes, Det being shut down thus far, Dal game picking up, Dal history and other intangibles. Professionalism is the last thing Mr. Hall of Fame should be concerned about.

He wasn't definitive. He said "likely." He's entitled to his opinion. And I agree with him. If the flag isn't picked up, Detroit is sitting on the Cowboys 23 yard line, or there about. They could have scored seven, making it a ten point game. Who knows what would have happened then.
And, yes, Troy should be concerned about professionalism. What are you talking about?

 

[tyke1doe]

I know he was. Romo's still the better player.

I disagree.

 

[Sportsbabe]

He wasn't definitive. He said "likely." He's entitled to his opinion. And I agree with him. If the flag isn't picked up, Detroit is sitting on the Cowboys 23 yard line, or there about. They could have scored seven, making it a ten point game. Who knows what would have happened then.
And, yes, Troy should be concerned about professionalism. What are you talking about?

I said what I had to say. Me, Romo & the Cowboys are on to the next one.

 

[tyke1doe]

He can be both.... Don't expect him to be a " Homer" but would like some support from someone who an organization gave a great opportunity to by building a team around him to ensure success. Otherwise he may have wound up like Archie Manning... stats and not much more

We really don't know what Aikman would have been had he not been a Cowboy. But Aikman owes the Cowboys NOTHING. He has a job as a television analyst and is doing his job well, based on his and Buck's ranking as the top announcer team for FOX.

You and others are FANS. Therefore, you're more sensitive to perceived slights. Fans of other teams think Aikman is a homer for the Cowboys.

It's all a matter of perspective.

 

[tyke1doe]

I said what I had to say. Me, Romo & the Cowboys are on to the next one.

So am I. I just didn't understand your comment about professionalism. But I'm willing to move on too.