Aikman on WFAN in NY

[MrPeanutbutter]

I know he was. Romo's still the better player.

It's crazy how not debatable this is. Romo is better than Aikman.

The rings argument is bullcrap. Bradshaw and Dilfer were crap and both have rings.

 

[MRV52]

I put apple polishers in the same category as Romo haters. would not hire them to run an elevator for me.

I would would never work for a guy like you anyway. LOL

 

[basstapp]

If you go on Expected Win % from the computers, IIRC...it was greater than 50% for the Lions if they got the first down. So technically Aikman is correct.

I just find it funny because up until that point, the refs were bad in favor of the *Lions*. They took away a critical 3rd down conversion on a bogus offensive PI call on Williams and a TD from Murray on a bugs holding penalty on Witten.

Certainly, the refereeing was a big story in the game. But it definitely worked against the Cowboys. The difference was that the Cowboys were able to overcome it and the Lions weren't. That was the other part of the story of the game.

But it's Dallas, so we must cook up conspiracy theories and treat the call like it was the worst call ever and well...just make things up like 'I've never seen the make an announcement and then pick up the flag!' (happened last year in the Pats v. Carolina game, happened back in 2005 game against the Niners).

Just more of people that can't be objective and think on their own.






YR

Not to mention there was a big hold on that Bush TD. Let's do this. We erase that touchdown where bush scored and we will gI've them the penalty... we still win.

 

[DogFace]

My wife doesn't know sports much. I think that's an interesting perspective.

She thinks Troy doesn't want our current team to take any of his glory. All I know is I'm sick of him. She also thinks he's likely a jerk.

Anyone who sees that call as "not getting it right" lacks judgement. Imo.

 

[DogFace]

How about if we would have lost on that call knowing that there was a face mask? How come nobody's talking about that? Troy, as much as I love him helped turn this into a much bigger story then it was.

I agree. All the shows never even mention that. They have to know it happened. I can't understand why they can't talk about it.

It's starting to seem like a media conspiracy. I'm pretty sure it isn't really but it's a little weird at the least.

 

[Risen Star]

I'm sorry, but I can't stand Aikman anymore.

Some people can't handle honesty.

If you want homer fluff, stick with Michael Irvin.

 

[DogFace]

L

Some people can't handle honesty.

If you want homer fluff, stick with Michael Irvin.

...

 

[bkeavs]

Maybe Aikman's coming to the realization that a Super Bowl for Romo might push Troy to No. 3 on the all-time Cowboys quarterback list.

There's Dumb posts and than there's this one

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I love Troy but he's wrong here. Nobody knows what would have happened. And this isn't the first game that a team got screwed. It's happened to us plenty of times.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If you want homer fluff, stick with Michael Irvin.

There is homer fluff then there is Michael Irvin.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Aikman's full quote:

"It's hard to say with any real certainty, but it's likely that it cost Detroit the game. It's likely that they win the game if that pass interference was upheld. The fact that it was overturned was surprising...Hey, we all know that those things happen. To me, the most penal penalty in the NFL is pass interference, and I think that that call should be reviewable."

I love how everyone is ignoring the actual quote. My gosh people calm the hell down. And who doesn't agree with him? It is more likely the Lions win if they get the first down.

Troy has always been a straight shooter which is why he is at the job he is at. Listen to him on a local to Dallas radio show and he really likes the Cowboys. He doesn't have the job he has now if he was full on homer like everyone wants him to be. Get a grip, the man is doing his job and doing it quite well.

 

[Sportsbabe]

I love how everyone is ignoring the actual quote. My gosh people calm the hell down. And who doesn't agree with him? It is more likely the Lions win if they get the first down.

Troy has always been a straight shooter which is why he is at the job he is at. Listen to him on a local to Dallas radio show and he really likes the Cowboys. He doesn't have the job he has now if he was full on homer like everyone wants him to be. Get a grip, the man is doing his job and doing it quite well.

If that's the actual quote, then that is totally different than what was originally portrayed.

I still reject the fact that the call "likely cost Detroit the game".

I'm sure we can find calls during the game that likely cost us some points;
that likely would have made the game not as close as it turned out to be.
We can play that game with Troy all night long.

 

[erod]

There's Dumb posts and than there's this one

Even Aikman has admitted that Romo could have quarterbacked the teams of the early 90s, but Aikman could not have won eight games on the teams Romo's been on the past 4-5 seasons.

I'm a huge fan and supporter of Aikman, and he's the most accurate quarterback in team history, but Romo has a MUCH larger skill set than Aikman, and he's played with some of the worst offensive lines and defenses in team history.

That's changing. So now Romo has a chance at winning titles as long as he can stay healthy.

 

[JDSmith]

I love how everyone is ignoring the actual quote. My gosh people calm the hell down. And who doesn't agree with him? It is more likely the Lions win if they get the first down.

Troy has always been a straight shooter which is why he is at the job he is at. Listen to him on a local to Dallas radio show and he really likes the Cowboys. He doesn't have the job he has now if he was full on homer like everyone wants him to be. Get a grip, the man is doing his job and doing it quite well.

I agree with his quote.

But I also think that he should address the fact that the league has stated that the facemask should have been called. In that case, if they called defensive holding and offensive PI or facemask, they replay the down. And Detroit has the exact same odds to win the game as they had before the play was run. And I am confident that regardless of what the computer models say, the Cowboys were getting stronger while the Lions were getting weaker - we win that game if they simply replay 3rd and 1.

 

[DFWJC]

Using pro-football-reference's Win Probablility calculator, the Lions' chances of winning were 86.8 percent if the PI had stood, 83.8 percent if the holding had been called instead and 67.9 percent after the flag was picked up. Even after the shanked punt, Detroit still had a 53 percent chance of winning, and it was up to 65.6 percent before Romo's pass to Witten on fourth-and-6.

True
In other words, it didn't apply really.
The Win probability calculator is not supposed to see and cannot see the play on the field. The time remaining/expired and the score differentials. Dallas dominated that second half--and really most the game after the 1st quarter.

 

[DogFace]

There's Dumb posts and than there's this one

Right. A smart post.

 

[gimmesix]

If you go on Expected Win % from the computers, IIRC...it was greater than 50% for the Lions if they got the first down. So technically Aikman is correct.

I just find it funny because up until that point, the refs were bad in favor of the *Lions*. They took away a critical 3rd down conversion on a bogus offensive PI call on Williams and a TD from Murray on a bugs holding penalty on Witten.

Certainly, the refereeing was a big story in the game. But it definitely worked against the Cowboys. The difference was that the Cowboys were able to overcome it and the Lions weren't. That was the other part of the story of the game.

But it's Dallas, so we must cook up conspiracy theories and treat the call like it was the worst call ever and well...just make things up like 'I've never seen the make an announcement and then pick up the flag!' (happened last year in the Pats v. Carolina game, happened back in 2005 game against the Niners).

Just more of people that can't be objective and think on their own.






YR

Most people are influenced by what others around them are saying, and I don't think Aikman is an exception. The national media is harping on how that one flag pickup was the story of the game, so it's going to be the story of the game ... whether through the unending questions about it or the way individuals are influenced to think about it.

It's like with most things, though. When you dig deeper, there are so many things that can be pointed to for why Dallas won and Detroit lost. It's just too bad that so many either don't take the time or have the ability to truly break things down.

 

[Idgit]

Aikman's full quote:

"It's hard to say with any real certainty, but it's likely that it cost Detroit the game. It's likely that they win the game if that pass interference was upheld. The fact that it was overturned was surprising...Hey, we all know that those things happen. To me, the most penal penalty in the NFL is pass interference, and I think that that call should be reviewable."

There we go. Listening to it further, it's fairly clear from context that he also things the call was wrong.

While I don't agree that DET 'likely' wins with the first down they should have had if the defensive hold was called (since that was the actual penalty on that play), I have to say that I don't understand any Cowboy fan who doesn't like and respect Troy Aikman as much or more than they did when he had a star on his hat. He's a Cowboys icon who represents the game and the team well in his post-Cowboys career. He's the best in the business as far as I'm concerned.

And for any of you who didn't listen to it, you should hear all the great things he has to say about this current incarnation of the Cowboys and about where Jason's got them in terms of focus and culture and expectations. Pretty great stuff.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

How is it likely that the Lions would win? What if the Defense forces them into a Field Goal? What if the Defense gets a turnover when the Lions are in the red zone? Even if the call was made there is no guarantee that the Lions would have gotten a TD.

 

[tyke1doe]

There is homer fluff then there is Michael Irvin.

Pulease. I love Michael Irvin's enthusiasm for the Cowboys. But he personifies the word "homer". What's strange about this discussion is that there are fans in this thread who honestly believe what Irvin says and does is what announcers - especially on the level of Aikman - should be doing.

Irvin is to editorial commentary what Aikman is to news reporting.