Aikman or Cunningham

[DallasEast]

Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavyHitta31
Yeah, too bad you forgot the first 3/4 of his career in Philly, when he won 2 MVPs with no help at all. I DEFY you to name ONE other offensive starter on that team off the top of your head.

I could be wrong, but believe Hitta wasn't talking about the Vikings.

Randy Moss ...not on that team ?

Robert Smith ...not on that team ?

Todd Steussie ...not on that team ?

Cris Carter ...on that team!

Oops. That's only one.

Touché, Mr. Irving fan. Touché.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Makes perfect sense.

Apparently, you fail to realize that every year the Eagles were in the playoffs at the time, it was Cunningham who got them there by himself. Troy couldnt have done that.

 

[jackrussell]

Afraid not. You give us that Troy won because he was surrounded by talent, then tell us Cunningham didn't win because he wasn't. So if you (supposedly) surrounded Cunningham with talent, and he won, couldn't we say the same thing about him as you've stated about Aikman?

Jim McMahon, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, to name a few, all won Super Bowls on team that dominated defensively. Cunningham failed to do so given the same opportunity.

Apparently, you fail to realize it was Philly's defense that got them as far as they did, in spite of Cunningham.

 

[DallasEast]

Afraid not. You give us that Troy won because he was surrounded by talent, then tell us Cunningham didn't win because he wasn't. So if you (supposedly) surrounded Cunningham with talent, and he won, couldn't we say the same thing about him as you've stated about Aikman?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

This is not to take away from either.

I think troy was the better QB....but if he was on the eagles team that Cunningham had he would have been hurting.

Sure they had a killer defense but Cunningham WAS that offense.

Buddy Ryan did not care about squat on offense, he basically told Cunningham to go out there and do what he could.

They had no notable running backs, TEs, WRs when cunningham was there.

Notice how much Cunningham ran for in those days, notice how much less he did when he had a RB and WRs with the vikings.

Troy is the better pro, the better mold for what a championship pocket QB should be.

Cunningham was a one man gang on offense....if you did not care about the offensive side of the ball, if you wanted to get all your play makers on Defense and worry about that defense...then you take someone like Cunningham.

It's not just a matter of talent on a team....it's a matter of the HC and his philosphy and Ryan would not have given two quirts for what Cunningham needed on offense IMO....he was too worried about his defense and letting Cunningham run around on offense to the point that if McNabb had to play on that team and do as much as Cunningham....McNabb would be throwing up and too weak to get to the huddle in every game of the season.

 

[Alexander]

They had no notable running backs, TEs, WRs when cunningham was there.

Keith Jackson and Mike Quick were not terrible, but you are correct, Ryan did not supply him with weapons.

Notice how much Cunningham ran for in those days, notice how much less he did when he had a RB and WRs with the vikings.

He was also younger. Cunningham pretty much stopped running once he broke his leg on opening day in 1991 versus Green Bay.

By the time he got to Minnesota, he was pretty old too.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Keith Jackson and Mike Quick were not terrible, but you are correct, Ryan did not supply him with weapons.



He was also younger. Cunningham pretty much stopped running once he broke his leg on opening day in 1991 versus Green Bay.

By the time he got to Minnesota, he was pretty old too.

Yes that is fair about his age and injuries he had prior to Minnesota.


I know I hated the eagles, as any good cowboys fan should lol, but I had to respect Cunningham for being what I always called a one man gang on offense.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Afraid not. You give us that Troy won because he was surrounded by talent, then tell us Cunningham didn't win because he wasn't. So if you (supposedly) surrounded Cunningham with talent, and he won, couldn't we say the same thing about him as you've stated about Aikman?

Jim McMahon, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, to name a few, all won Super Bowls on team that dominated defensively. Cunningham failed to do so given the same opportunity.

Apparently, you fail to realize it was Philly's defense that got them as far as they did, in spite of Cunningham.

Jim McMahon had Walter Payton

Trent Dilfer had Jamal Lewis and Shannon Sharpe

Brad Johnson had Keyshawn Johnson and one of the best O-Lines in football

Try again

 

[The30YardSlant]

This is not to take away from either.

I think troy was the better QB....but if he was on the eagles team that Cunningham had he would have been hurting.

Sure they had a killer defense but Cunningham WAS that offense.

Buddy Ryan did not care about squat on offense, he basically told Cunningham to go out there and do what he could.

They had no notable running backs, TEs, WRs when cunningham was there.

Notice how much Cunningham ran for in those days, notice how much less he did when he had a RB and WRs with the vikings.

Troy is the better pro, the better mold for what a championship pocket QB should be.

Cunningham was a one man gang on offense....if you did not care about the offensive side of the ball, if you wanted to get all your play makers on Defense and worry about that defense...then you take someone like Cunningham.

It's not just a matter of talent on a team....it's a matter of the HC and his philosphy and Ryan would not have given two quirts for what Cunningham needed on offense IMO....he was too worried about his defense and letting Cunningham run around on offense to the point that if McNabb had to play on that team and do as much as Cunningham....McNabb would be throwing up and too weak to get to the huddle in every game of the season.

Troy had more poise, but the question is who is the better quarterback. Its the same thing as Tom Brady vs Peyton Manning. Brady has more poise, but Manning is clearly the better QB ability wise. Ability wise, Cunningham was far superior to Aikman in speed, strength, throwing power, etc. The question is who was the better player, and thats Cunningham. Troy had the better career and was perfect for our team, but Troy was a system QB.

 

[jackrussell]

Jim McMahon had Walter Payton-So Walter would fall perfectly your catagory of a 'one man offense', yet they went to the Super Bowl.

Trent Dilfer had Jamal Lewis and Shannon Sharpe-And Randall had Kieth Jackson and a good set of backs, including Kieth Byars. You act as if there was NOBODY that played offense for Philly but Cunningham.

Brad Johnson had Keyshawn Johnson and one of the best O-Lines in football-Yes, when I think of TB winning the Super Bowl, I think Keyshawn Johnson

Randall had it ALL in minnesota, and still didn't get it done. Your more than welcome to Randall, I'll stick with the cranial, accurate, stand tall in the saddle QB in Troy.

 

[trickblue]

Troy had more poise, but the question is who is the better quarterback. Its the same thing as Tom Brady vs Peyton Manning. Brady has more poise, but Manning is clearly the better QB ability wise. Ability wise, Cunningham was far superior to Aikman in speed, strength, throwing power, etc. The question is who was the better player, and thats Cunningham. Troy had the better career and was perfect for our team, but Troy was a system QB.

You are confusing athleticism with position ability...

Cunningham was by far the better athlete... Aikman was the better quarterback...

 

[The30YardSlant]

Jim McMahon had Walter Payton-So Walter would fall perfectly your catagory of a 'one man offense', yet they went to the Super Bowl.

Trent Dilfer had Jamal Lewis and Shannon Sharpe-And Randall had Kieth Jackson and a good set of backs, including Kieth Byars. You act as if there was NOBODY that played offense for Philly but Cunningham.

Brad Johnson had Keyshawn Johnson and one of the best O-Lines in football-Yes, when I think of TB winning the Super Bowl, I think Keyshawn Johnson

Randall had it ALL in minnesota, and still didn't get it done. Your more than welcome to Randall, I'll stick with the cranial, accurate, stand tall in the saddle QB in Troy.

Minnesota's offense did everything to win the NFC, their defense let them down against Atlanta. The fact that Cunningham won an MVP that late in his career speaks volumes.

And no, Cunningham had NOTHING on offense. He had one of the worst O-Lines in football. A RB by committee, and the committee wasnt very good. The only WR he ever had that anyone can name is Carter, who left before he hit his prime.

 

[The30YardSlant]

You are confusing athleticism with position ability...

Cunningham was by far the better athlete... Aikman was the better quarterback...

No offense to Troy, but if I had 2 of the 5 best O-Linemen ever and the best O-Line ever, the best RB ever, one of the top 10 best WRs ever, and one of the best TEs ever, I could put up good numbers too. Troy was on arguably the greatest football team EVER, he was great for our team, but he isnt better than Cunningham and doesnt deserve to be mentioned with the best ever. Winning 3 SBs doesnt make you a great player, though Troy was very good. However, Bradshaw won 4 SBs, and I doubt anyone will say he is even one of the 15-20 best QBs ever. Dan Marino never won a SB, yet he is considered by many the greatest ever.

Aikman had more poise, he got the job done and didnt make mistakes, but I cant remember one game in his entire career that he won by himself like Cunningham did almost every other week.

 

[joseephuss]

Brad Johnson had Keyshawn Johnson and one of the best O-Lines in football

When did Tampa have one of the best O-lines in football? They finished ranked 24th in yardage the year they won the SB. They were in the middle of the pack as a passing team and at the bottom as a rushing team. Keyshawn had only 1088 yards that year. That isn't too much for an offensive leader.

 

[trickblue]

No offense to Troy, but if I had 2 of the 5 best O-Linemen ever and the best O-Line ever, the best RB ever, one of the top 10 best WRs ever, and one of the best TEs ever, I could put up good numbers too. Troy was on arguably the greatest football team EVER, he was great for our team, but he isnt better than Cunningham and doesnt deserve to be mentioned with the best ever. Winning 3 SBs doesnt make you a great player, though Troy was very good. However, Bradshaw won 4 SBs, and I doubt anyone will say he is even one of the 15-20 best QBs ever. Dan Marino never won a SB, yet he is considered by many the greatest ever.

Aikman had more poise, he got the job done and didnt make mistakes, but I cant remember one game in his entire career that he won by himself like Cunningham did almost every other week.

I may not agree with your opinion, but I will defend to the death your right to be WRONG...

 

[jackrussell]

If we take what you say, that, Randall did it all by himself, then, we would have to say he was the greatest offensive player to step on a field in the NFL, let alone being a better QB than Troy. A quick reference of the Eagles offensive rankings show they were ranked:

'87- 8th
'88- 7th
'89- 9th
'90- 2nd
'91- 25th
'92- 7th
'93- 13th
'94- 10th

I gotta say perty dern good offensive production from a team with one guy. Sorry Ricky Watters.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If we take what you say, that, Randall did it all by himself, then, we would have to say he was the greatest offensive player to step on a field in the NFL, let alone being a better QB than Troy. A quick reference of the Eagles offensive rankings show they were ranked:

'87- 8th
'88- 7th
'89- 9th
'90- 2nd
'91- 25th
'92- 7th
'93- 13th
'94- 10th

I gotta say perty dern good offensive production from a team with one guy. Sorry Ricky Watters.

With his time with the eagles...where he started at least 12 games or more (which equals 7 years of his time with the Eagles)

20855 yards passing
for an average of 2979 per year

138 TDs
for an average of 19 TDs per year

4069 yards Rushing
for an average of 581 yards per year rushing

31 Rushing TDs
For an average of 4 per year

Ricky Watters only played ONE YEAR with Randall and that was in Randalls last year with the eagles in which Randall only played in 7 games and of those 7 games he only started in 4 of those games.

In that one year Ricky had the following stats.

1273 yards rushing
3.8 ypc average
11 TDs

62 rec
434 yards
1 TD



I do not think Ricky helped Cunningham much while with the eagles that year lol

 

[Hoov]

Minnesota's offense did everything to win the NFC, their defense let them down against Atlanta. The fact that Cunningham won an MVP that late in his career speaks volumes.

And no, Cunningham had NOTHING on offense. He had one of the worst O-Lines in football. A RB by committee, and the committee wasnt very good. The only WR he ever had that anyone can name is Carter, who left before he hit his prime.

I never agree with the person who is selected MVP. half the time i think they just pick someone who stands out due to personality, someone flamboyant, someone in the spotlight a lot.

 

[jackrussell]

I never meant to infer that Ricky Watters played all those years I listed. (Is there a tongue in cheek emoticon here?)

The point, is the Eagles in fact, had some good offensive years, in deference to Heavy's assertation they had none, in which case, Randall must have done it all himself. Ricky's name was dropped as another example of someone who played with Cunningham.

BTW, how about some INT stats.

 

[Hoov]

people like to say the cowboys had the greatest O line and thats why emmit or tro were so good. i say BS, the year emmitt held out the cowboys went 0-2, looks like emmitt had something to do with the running game. maybe the O line looked good because of emmitt, not the other way around. and dont forget troy getting sacked 11 times was it in one game against the eagles ? what about all those games i watched cunningham sit in the pocket for 5 or more seconds and then throw a 25 yard TD pass to a RB. cunningham did a lot of scrambling when he didnt have to, there were many games he had all day back there.