News: All Seven Rounds Of Dallas Cowboys 2016 Draft Board Rankings Possibly Revealed

[erod]

Once again, you're making pronouncements on these players as if it's based in reality.

Projections for sure. I think Elliott is as sure a thing as their is in this draft. He could go Blair Thomas on us, but I'm 95 percent certain he's going to be really special.

 

[Hoofbite]

He is Peterson or Lynch. That is a quarterback-like impact.

I'm OK with the defense being on the field quicker if I just scored 7 points.

Name a rookie corner or safety that dramatically impacted his team.

The DB for KC last year. Patrick Peterson, although largely due to his ridiculous punt returning. Hell, I'd put Roy Williams on such a list.

Not that it means anything but Lynch didn't exactly do anything worthy of a high pick investment as a rookie. Generally, most rookie RBs aren't massive impact players their first year. There are certainly a number of DBs who had great impact if you broadened it to the first 2, 3, or 4 years as you would have to in order to include Lynch in the discussion of an, "impact player".

One or the other is really only part of the equation. The next best alternative at the position you didn't use the pick on is the other half. Does Zeke give you so much more than the next best alternative (either through the draft or free agency) that passing on the DB is worth it? Who is currently the next best alternative at the DB position? Brandon Carr? Morris? The DB for KC last year had 8 INTs. That's 1 less than Carr and Claiborne have accumulated throughout their entire careers in Dallas. That's combined. If the DB was able to get 6 INTs, that's still more than these two have combined since 2013. If he got 4, it would be 4X as many as these guys have over the past 2 years.

I have little doubt that Elliot will produce. He's a stud. I question whether or not he'll produce to such an extent that the additional yards and TDs gained over the next best option will actually make as big of a difference as additional turnovers and good CB play would. There's obviously less risk with Elliot but it just doesn't seem like the net gain over the next best option is anywhere close to what it would be if Dallas would have taken a DB who played up to the pick.

I'm not upset with the pick but it's far from being as clear cut as saying, "Zeke is a sure thing", because even if that's true the team may not be gaining a significant amount relative to the next best alternative. If another RB could have given Dallas 80% of what Zeke can, the team would have probably been better off going with the DB. That extra 20% probably isn't going to swing many outcomes simply because the NFL is a passing league. Any boost to the running game will only go so far when the running game only accounts for 30% of a teams offense. That's what it was last year. Just under 31% for yardage and TDs.

 

[BigStar]

I found it interesting that in the position rankings it listed Myles Jack as an OLB while Jaylon Smith was listed as an ILB.

That is odd...Jack could easily play both. Good catch. Our best Mike has been on the team awhile now, just the injury bug thing, etc.

 

[Sydla]

He is Peterson or Lynch. That is a quarterback-like impact.

I'm OK with the defense being on the field quicker if I just scored 7 points.

Name a rookie corner or safety that dramatically impacted his team.

You talking about Marshawn Lynch?

Peterson's Vikings went 6-10 in 2006 and then in 2007, his rookie year, they only improved to 8-8 and failed to make the playoffs.

Lynch's Buffalo Bills went 7-9 in 2006 and then in Lynch's rookie year, they went 7-9 again.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

So you advocate jumping your board with the first round pick and drafting for "need"? Okay then.

Yes.

While these boards are in chronological order they are grouped in tiers.

Unless of course you think blindly that the Cowboys believe the top 32 players on this list all have first round grades?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

We got a athletic corner who projected as a safety last year. Why would we want another one?

Because you play more than one secondary player at a time?

 

[zrinkill]

Because you play more than one secondary player at a time?

We already have 2 first round picks playing in the secondary ...... how many you want?

 

[cowboyblue22]

wow the expectations for Elliot are really high I'm not sure he will fulfill them he is a really good player but all of this hype hope he can at least meet half of it

 

[Idgit]

wow the expectations for Elliot are really high I'm not sure he will fulfill them he is a really good player but all of this hype hope he can at least meet half of it

The expectations are about where they need to be to justify burning a top 5 pick on the RB position on a team where the holes are on defense.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

No, you can't. They happen about once every 5 years. Better chance of finding a Richard Sherman or Josh Norman in the 5th round.

A corner has a very limited impact on a game unless he's Deion Sanders.

This is just horribly wrong.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

We already have 2 first round picks playing in the secondary ...... how many you want?

Obviously I wanted another one.

But to use your weirdo logic we already have a 1st round pick at rb... How many you want toting the rock?

 

[Sydla]

We already have 2 first round picks playing in the secondary ...... how many you want?

As many as it takes to actually field a competent secondary.

Again, this idea that because you took a CB high in Claiborne and he busted that you should never use a first round pick on DB again is just bizarrely funny.

 

[Sydla]

The expectations are about where they need to be to justify burning a top 5 pick on the RB position on a team where the holes are on defense.

The whole thing still makes me chuckle.

We need Elliott because we needed that bell cow, that three down back, that DeMarco Murray 2014 guy who can tote the rock 20+ times a game and wear down defenses with this OL.

We draft him and those same people now were saying we need to limit his carries, can't overuse him, have to use a loose RBBC approach to keep him fresh, etc.

It still cracks me up.

 

[Idgit]

The whole thing still makes me chuckle.

We need Elliott because we needed that bell cow, that three down back, that DeMarco Murray 2014 guy who can tote the rock 20+ times a game and wear down defenses with this OL.

We draft him and those same people now were saying we need to limit his carries, can't overuse him, have to use a loose RBBC approach to keep him fresh, etc.

It still cracks me up.

It's just people who don't understand cause and effect in a football game. We didn't need a RB.

Besides, if he doesn't crush what McFadden or another talented rookie would have given us, what was the point? It's an incredibly high bar because he's standing on the back of a truly great OL. Now he needs to deliver. Use him up.

 

[Stash]

No, you can't. They happen about once every 5 years. Better chance of finding a Richard Sherman or Josh Norman in the 5th round.

A corner has a very limited impact on a game unless he's Deion Sanders.

Seriously? Take a look at the respective secondaries of the past three Super Bowl champions and you'll find a top corner in each one of them.

What you won't find is a running back that cost a top 5 pick, or an offensive line with three first round picks on it.

 

[Stash]

It's just people who don't understand cause and effect in a football game. We didn't need a RB.

Besides, if he doesn't crush what McFadden or another talented rookie would have given us, what was the point? It's an incredibly high bar because he's standing on the back of a truly great OL. Now he needs to deliver. Use him up.

 

[zrinkill]

Obviously I wanted another one.

But to use your weirdo logic we already have a 1st round pick at rb... How many you want toting the rock?

Did we spend a first round pick on a RB? Or pick a guy of the trash heap 8 years later?

Talk about weird logic.

 

[zrinkill]

As many as it takes to actually field a competent secondary.

Again, this idea that because you took a CB high in Claiborne and he busted that you should never use a first round pick on DB again is just bizarrely funny.

The talent is not the problem ....... its the coaching ...... that you cant see that is what is bizarrely funny.

 

[Sydla]

The talent is not the problem ....... its the coaching ...... that you cant see that is what is bizarrely funny.

So you think the secondary is talented? LOL.

And you won't get an argument out of me about the overall coaching. I would have been fine if Jerry woke up in February and decided he needed to fire Garrett and the whole staff.

But this defense has problems that stem from some questionable coaching AND questionable talent, especially the secondary. Denying that is just silly IMO.

 

[zrinkill]

So you think the secondary is talented? LOL.

And you won't get an argument out of me about the overall coaching. I would have been fine if Jerry woke up in February and decided he needed to fire Garrett and the whole staff.

But this defense has problems that stem from some questionable coaching AND questionable talent, especially the secondary. Denying that is just silly IMO.

In the last 5 drafts they have spent

2 - first round draft picks on the defense
3 - 2nd round draft picks on the defense
3 - 3rd round draft picks on the defense
6 - 4th round draft picks on the defense
1 - 5th round draft picks on the defense
3 - 6th round draft picks on the defense
7 - 7th round draft picks on the defense

25 picks on defense ..... 8 premium picks plus a very high talent DE in Hardy

In the last 5 years they have spent

3 - first round draft picks on the offense
1 - 2nd round draft picks on the offense
2 - 3rd round draft picks on the offense
1 - 4th round draft picks on the offense
3 - 5th round draft picks on the offense
3 - 6th round draft picks on the offense
2 - 7th round draft picks on the offense

15 picks on offense ...... 6 premium picks

And yet we continue to have one of the worst defenses in the league.