All time QB rating top 10 list

[DandyDon52]

1 Aaron Rodgers 104.93
2 Steve Young* 96.81
3 Tom Brady 96.62
4 Peyton Manning 95.71
5 Tony Romo 95.62
6 Philip Rivers 94.53
7 Drew Brees 94.27
8 Kurt Warner 93.71
9 Ben Roethlisberger 92.69
10 Joe Montana* 92.26

Nice to see Romo on there. At 97.3 QB rating Dak would be #2 all time if he continues his current pace.

all those guys won SB's except romo and rivers.
Dak could wind up like them.

 

[CowboyRoy]

all those guys won SB's except romo and rivers.
Dak could wind up like them.

Yep and all those guys had better teams and coaching than Rivers or Romo and so far Dak.

I dont judge players ONLY on SB's and team success.

 

[Sydla]

The issue I take is with stating a likelihood as a though it is an undeniable fact. Yes Mahomes is better than Dak.. yes Mahomes may ALWAYS be better than Dak.. however Dak is closer to Mahomes now than he was two and three years ago.. How did that happen? Simple.. Dak got better. Mahomes didn't get worse.. Dak elevated HIS game and the possibility exists that he can continue to do so. Why admitting this bothers some fans is beyond me.

I agree you can still win with Dak which is why I don't really concern myself with these stupid rankings. He's already good enough to win it all without improving another inch. And 25 guys who are not as good as Mahomes (or Dak ) have already won Super Bowls.. the guy who just won the last one was not as good as Mahomes.. In fact the only QB in the last two decades to win a Super Bowl whom I would consider to be as good as Mahomes was Rodgers. The rest were just guys whose team got hot at the right time or they got hot at the right time themselves. So it seems to me people are focused on the wrong damn thing anyway..

The skill set alone makes it tough for Dak to ever be as good as Mahomes. That's an undeniable fact. He can do the things Dak does and then some. Even if you buy the premise that Dak has gotten better every year and last year he was on pace for his best, it still likely would have paled in comparison to Mahomes. Mahomes had 38 TDs and only 6 interceptions and a rating of 108. Dak was at 99 and on pace for around 36 TDs but double digit interceptions.

There is no shame in a Cowboys fan admitting that. Dak will never be as good as Mahomes. There's nothing wrong with saying that.

 

[leeblair]

1 Aaron Rodgers 104.93
2 Steve Young* 96.81
3 Tom Brady 96.62
4 Peyton Manning 95.71
5 Tony Romo 95.62
6 Philip Rivers 94.53
7 Drew Brees 94.27
8 Kurt Warner 93.71
9 Ben Roethlisberger 92.69
10 Joe Montana* 92.26

Nice to see Romo on there. At 97.3 QB rating Dak would be #2 all time if he continues his current pace.

That's how statistics and "quarterback ratings" lie.
Dak has sucked at quarterback, but has a high rating because of the yards he's racked up in games where the Cowboys were already beat.
Yet Troy Aikman, one of the very best ever, isn't on that list.
Troy won 3 Super Bowls.
Dak can't beat an 8-7 team to get into the playoffs.

 

[RonnieT24]

The skill set alone makes it tough for Dak to ever be as good as Mahomes. That's an undeniable fact. He can do the things Dak does and then some.

There is no shame in a Cowboys fan admitting that. Dak will never be as good as Mahomes. There's nothing wrong with saying that.

What's wrong with it is that it's an opinion. To which you are 100% entitled. But no matter how emphatically stated it will remain just that. An opinion. People can dig in on that opinion if it makes them feel good. Here is something that IS a fact. Dak Prescott led a team with similar talent to what Mahomes played alongside at Tech to much higher heights despite playing in a much tougher league against a generally higher level of competition. Now he didn't do it by putting up amazing passing statistics.. He did it by being a great all around player who also inspired his teammates. He has shown some of those same abilities in the pros but obviously in the pros the premium is on passing where Mahomes obviously came into the league light years ahead and frankly in landing with Andy Reid and not Jason Garrett should have INCREASED his lead. Yet by any objective measure Dak has closed the gap as a passer and overall player. Will he ever catch him? Who knows? But I do know that 4 years ago people falling all over themselves declaring that Jared Goff and Carson Wentz were "always going to be better than Dak" too.. Most of those people have had to go radio silent. Yes there are still a few hard core stragglers who insist on dying on that hill but most of them have just had to ****. I'm not prepared to declare that the "Mahomes will always be better" crowd can't end up the same way..

 

[Sydla]

What's wrong with it is that it's an opinion. To which you are 100% entitled. But no matter how emphatically stated it will remain just that. An opinion. People can dig in on that opinion if it makes them feel good. Here is something that IS a fact. Dak Prescott led a team with similar talent to what Mahomes played alongside at Tech to much higher heights despite playing in a much tougher league against a generally higher level of competition. Now he didn't do it by putting up amazing passing statistics.. He did it by being a great all around player who also inspired his teammates. He has shown some of those same abilities in the pros but obviously in the pros the premium is on passing where Mahomes obviously came into the league light years ahead and frankly in landing with Andy Reid and not Jason Garrett should have INCREASED his lead. Yet by any objective measure Dak has closed the gap as a passer and overall player. Will he ever catch him? Who knows? But I do know that 4 years ago people falling all over themselves declaring that Jared Goff and Carson Wentz were "always going to be better than Dak" too.. Most of those people have had to go radio silent. Yes there are still a few hard core stragglers who insist on dying on that hill but most of them have just had to ****. I'm not prepared to declare that the "Mahomes will always be better" crowd can't end up the same way..

Sure it's an opinion but if you asked most people outside of the Dak crowd, the answer would be almost unanimous............. Mahomes is and will be the better QB.

The comparison to Wentz and Goff is crazy because those guys had like one or two good seasons. Mahomes has yet to have a bad season as a starter. Mahomes worst season as a starter was better than the best seasons either Goff or Wentz ever had (Mahomes worst season he had a rating of 105, Wentz's best was 102 and Goff's best was 101). Thinking (or more likely hoping) Mahomes could crater like Wentz is really wishful thinking.

For someone that says they don't really care about where Dak is ranked, you are sure spending a lot of time trying to convince people in this thread that Dak can be the best QB in the NFL.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Sure it's an opinion but if you asked most people outside of the Dak crowd, the answer would be almost unanimous............. Mahomes is and will be the better QB.

The comparison to Wentz and Goff is crazy because those guys had like one good season, Mahomes worst season as a starter was better than the best seasons either Goff or Wentz had (Mahomes worst season he had a rating of 105, Wentz's best was 102 and Goff's besdt was 101). Thinking Mahomes could crater like Wentz is really wishful thinking.

Mahomes worst season was also better than Daks best season.

 

[Motorola]

The all time passing rating is increasingly useless when comparing past and present players. With all the rule changes the NFL has made in the last 40 years (starting in 1978) passer rating has climbed almost geometrically.
It is telling that Montana who played from 79-94, is still on the list. When he retired I think Staubach was #1. OR close to it. Now he barely makes the top 20 I bet.


https://www.profootballhof.com/all-time-passer-rating/

I found this. Roger is at #28 behind such all time greats as David Garrard and Marc Bulger.

The rule changes, along with the season length and structure - rules changes, more games, implementing a bye week, etc. - that have taken place over the last four decades - they have really rendered useless comparing great NFL QBs against other that have played in different decades and eras.

 

[DandyDon52]

Yep and all those guys had better teams and coaching than Rivers or Romo and so far Dak.

I dont judge players ONLY on SB's and team success.

Well roy that is partly why I said dak could wind up like them, as his coaches are not much better than what the other 2 had.
I think dak has more off talent around him though.

 

[DFWJC]

The all time passing rating is increasingly useless when comparing past and present players. With all the rule changes the NFL has made in the last 40 years (starting in 1978) passer rating has climbed almost geometrically.
It is telling that Montana who played from 79-94, is still on the list. When he retired I think Staubach was #1. OR close to it. Now he barely makes the top 20 I bet.


https://www.profootballhof.com/all-time-passer-rating/

I found this. Roger is at #28 behind such all time greats as David Garrard and Marc Bulger.

No doubt, you need to look at time-adjusted QB ratings

Either use a formula to adjust for time or only compare players who have about the same median year of service.

 

[DFWJC]

I would say that list spans about 2-3 different eras in the NFL, hard to truly compare.

Even 5 years makes a difference, let alone 20.

Average passer ratings have been steadily rising since to 80s or even earlier.

 

[Diehardblues]

Mahomes worst season was also better than Daks best season.

One way to define these QB is do we think they’d have the same success if traded teams?

Would Dak be more successful on the Chiefs than on the Cowboys and would the team have had as much success? And we can ask the same question with Mahomes on the Cowboys.

Both QB’s basically walked into good situations with playoff caliber teams. It’s not like they went to the Jags or the Jets for example.

So, are the Chiefs with their sound organization, coaching staff and personnel a better situation than the Cowboys?

Ultimately I’d argue Mahomes is a bigger talent but the team and situation you go to does make difference. I think they both have benefitted from going to playoff caliber teams. But I think one is a much better situation than the other. And that helps.

 

[MyFairLady]

Comparing Dak to Mahomes is pretty laughable really.

 

[Diehardblues]

Comparing Dak to Mahomes is pretty laughable really.

We can still make comparisons . It doesn’t mean the results will be favorable to Dak. I can’t imagine anyone arguing, but some Dakster Homers, that He is as big of talent as Mahomes.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

One way to define these QB is do we think they’d have the same success if traded teams?

Would Dak be more successful on the Chiefs than on the Cowboys and would the team have had as much success? And we can ask the same question with Mahomes on the Cowboys.

Both QB’s basically walked into good situations with playoff caliber teams. It’s not like they went to the Jags or the Jets for example.

So, are the Chiefs with their sound organization, coaching staff and personnel a better situation than the Cowboys?

Ultimately I’d argue Mahomes is a bigger talent but the team and situation you go to does make difference. I think they both have benefitted from going to playoff caliber teams. But I think one is a much better situation than the other. And that helps.

The Cowboys offense since Dak became starter has had more talent on it then the Chiefs offense. The difference is the Chiefs have an all time talent at QB while the Cowboys have just a good QB.

Mahomes was so impressive that he took Alex Smiths job without Alex Smith even playing bad. Dak would have never seen the field if not an injury to Romo and Moore. Mahomes has always had it.

Outside of Kelce and Hill who on the Chiefs offense would you consider top level players?

The Cowboys have had Zeke, Dez, Cooper, Gallup, Martin, Smith, and Fredrick. I might even be missing a couple guys.

So, to answer your question, if we had Mahomes instead of Dak the past 5 years we'd have a ring or 2 easily by now and we'd be looked at the same way the Chiefs are looked at now. UNLESS Jerry found a way to screw it up, which is always a possibility.

 

[jsb357]

Rank Player Rate Years Tm

Dak Prescott 97.3 2016-2020 dal
9 Tony Romo 97.1 2004-2016 dal

Dak and Romo so close?

Maybe it's the system they played in and not the QB?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That's how statistics and "quarterback ratings" lie.
Dak has sucked at quarterback, but has a high rating because of the yards he's racked up in games where the Cowboys were already beat.
Yet Troy Aikman, one of the very best ever, isn't on that list.
Troy won 3 Super Bowls.
Dak can't beat an 8-7 team to get into the playoffs.

neither could potential HOF QB Kellen Moore

go back to drinking.

 

[Diehardblues]

The Cowboys offense since Dak became starter has had more talent on it then the Chiefs offense. The difference is the Chiefs have an all time talent at QB while the Cowboys have just a good QB.

Mahomes was so impressive that he took Alex Smiths job without Alex Smith even playing bad. Dak would have never seen the field if not an injury to Romo and Moore. Mahomes has always had it.

Outside of Kelce and Hill who on the Chiefs offense would you consider top level players?

The Cowboys have had Zeke, Dez, Cooper, Gallup, Martin, Smith, and Fredrick. I might even be missing a couple guys.

So, to answer your question, if we had Mahomes instead of Dak the past 5 years we'd have a ring or 2 easily by now and we'd be looked at the same way the Chiefs are looked at now. UNLESS Jerry found a way to screw it up, which is always a possibility.

You missed the difference on defense, coaching and organization. Teams aren’t built on offenses alone.

And I think Mahomes might have had a bit more success here than Dak. Championships with this defense and organization are doubtful though.

The bigger question might be would Dak have had more or less success with Chiefs?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You missed the difference on defense, coaching and organization. Teams aren’t built on offenses alone.

And I think Mahomes might have had a bit more success here than Dak. Championships with this defense and organization are doubtful though.

The bigger question might be would Dak have had more or less success with Chiefs?

Dak has played with one bad defense and it was only for 4 1/2 games (2020). Every other year starting with Daks rookie year in 2016 the Cowboys defense finished 5th, 13th, 6th, and 11th in points allowed.

I don't believe the Chiefs would have any rings with Dak.

Dak is just like Alex Smith, above average, but still getting replaced by Mahomes.

 

[pansophy]

I did an analysis last year normalizing QB rating so that it is more comparable across years and eras. For the stats folks out here, I generated a z-score for each QB for each season and then produced an average z-score for their career. Here is the list...notably Dak drops to 35th all-time.

Rank    Player    Z    Att    FirstYear    LastYear    Seasons    nQBRate
1    Patrick Mahomes    1.376303131    1064    2018    2019    2    109.4384793
2    Aaron Rodgers    1.340166731    6002    2008    2019    12    108.8224314
3    Steve Young    1.330752053    4149    1985    1999    15    108.6619314
4    Otto Graham    1.300066635    1565    1950    1955    6    108.138811
5    Joe Montana    1.257704872    5347    1980    1994    13    107.416634
6    Roger Staubach    1.160538368    2891    1970    1979    9    105.760154
7    Russell Wilson    1.134897425    3777    2012    2019    8    105.3230311
8    Peyton Manning    1.114014477    9380    1998    2015    17    104.9670217
9    Drew Brees    1.108227271    10134    2002    2019    18    104.8683623
10    Tom Brady    1.098559522    9974    2001    2019    18    104.7035479
11    Deshaun Watson    1.052107373    1204    2017    2019    3    103.9116387
12    Bob Griese    1.018938339    2491    1970    1980    11    103.346178
13    Tony Romo    0.992518541    4331    2006    2015    10    102.8957772
14    Jimmy Garoppolo    0.987294589    806    2016    2019    4    102.8067201
15    Norm Van Brocklin    0.946231351    2895    1949    1960    12    102.1066801
16    Bob Berry    0.932672868    1049    1968    1972    5    101.8755371
17    Sid Luckman    0.896906905    1707    1939    1949    11    101.2658044
18    Kurt Warner    0.89626879    4059    1999    2009    11    101.2549259
19    Ken Anderson    0.881733223    4420    1971    1984    14    101.0071257
20    Dan Marino    0.861817622    8358    1983    1999    17    100.6676076
21    Fran Tarkenton    0.847688538    6467    1961    1978    18    100.426737
22    Philip Rivers    0.844561861    7561    2006    2019    14    100.3734339
23    Sonny Jurgensen    0.835607606    4163    1957    1974    14    100.2207831
24    Cecil Isbell    0.804162763    818    1938    1942    5    99.68471616
25    Danny White    0.795008593    2805    1980    1987    8    99.52865725
26    Ed Danowski    0.769254274    581    1935    1939    5    99.08960147
27    Matt Ryan    0.766335983    6817    2008    2019    12    99.0398509
28    Sammy Baugh    0.755992186    2962    1937    1951    15    98.86351139
29    Len Dawson    0.746431807    1344    1970    1975    6    98.70052748
30    Bart Starr    0.741806566    3060    1957    1970    14    98.62167707
31    Ben Roethlisberger    0.736240345    7230    2004    2019    16    98.52678497
32    Billy Volek    0.734226238    514    2003    2005    3    98.49244877
33    Lamar Jackson    0.727473334    571    2018    2019    2    98.37732628
34    Jim Kelly    0.721291466    4779    1986    1996    11    98.27193872
35    Dak Prescott    0.712977908    2071    2016    2019    4    98.13021044
36    Dave Krieg    0.698583    5286    1981    1996    16    97.8848082
37    Frank Filchock    0.673772407    628    1938    1946    6    97.46184093
38    Dan Fouts    0.672929195    5604    1973    1987    15    97.44746598
39    Greg Landry    0.664680025    2156    1969    1979    11    97.30683537
40    Brett Favre    0.644795742    10165    1992    2010    19    96.9678511