Allbright: Cowboys exploring QB options; possibly moving to #1 for Wentz

[dreghorn2]

Oh and Risen is 100% correct if the Cowboy evaluators, whomever they may be, decide Wentz is a franchise type of guy, then they are fools if they don't make every effort to acquire him.

 

[DCBoysfan]

I don't buy, I don't see Dallas trading a "Kings Ransom" for either of these QB's.

 

[Aven8]

What sucks is we went 4-12, and made Campo look legit, get the 4th overall pick (the highest in over 20 years), and we still have to trade up to get our guy! Stupid Browns, find a QB already!!

 

[Idgit]

Oh and Risen is 100% correct if the Cowboy evaluators, whomever they may be, decide Wentz is a franchise type of guy, then they are fools if they don't make every effort to acquire him.

And if they don't, then they shouldn't, I take it?

What if he's just short of franchise-type? Should we stay put and take him if he's there at #4?

For all we know, he might not be the highest rated guy on our board. But the idea of giving up the equivalent of another top-5 pick to get in position to overdraft one of the two QBs who will very likely be there for us anyway sounds like lunacy to me. Just do your homework, take the guy who's there, and be prepared to take the best defensive player you've evaluated in the draft if he is not.

 

[jnday]

I'm SURE

Seriously, if anyone on this forum would like to place a bet on it, I'm here and waiting.
They can PM me.

Dallas will NOT trade up to #1 overall to take Wentz

Save the thread and remind how wrong I am if it happens. I'll eat crow.

I know I did that to a couple of people two years ago that were 100% positive that either 1) Dallas would 100% for sure take Manziel if he by some miracle fell to them 2) that Manziel would never drop out of the top 10.
That was 2 for 2, so I'm due for humble pie.

Knowing Jerry's history, I wouldn't bet on him doing anything, draft or otherwise lol. He will not have any ideal what he is going to do until two minutes before handing the card in.

 

[jnday]

What sucks is we went 4-12, and made Campo look legit, get the 4th overall pick (the highest in over 20 years), and we still have to trade up to get our guy! Stupid Browns, find a QB already!!

At least the cost would not be as high this year since they have the 4th pick . If they go after a QB in the draft following a 8-8 season, it would mean giving away several years worth of first and second round picks .

 

[BigStar]

Not buying it. We'd have to give up #4 this year, our 2nd rounder and then our 1st rounder next year for someone who's not even going to play right away.

I think Connor Cook in the second is much more realistic as such a scenario guarantees that we may as well start over.

Our first next year would be equal to our 2nd this year. IT is high, but you do it for your franchise QB once Romo can no longer prove to be highly functional and what the predicament the team faces with no blue chip QB down the road; 4-12. Ideally he sits a year, even 2, if Romo is doing well and you have the OL resigned with Dez and a rebuilt D to walk into. Ideal for your young QB...

I would rather see them trade down, pick up an extra draft pick, and select Lynch mid 1st round.

Top 10 trade back probably (if that) with the way QBs go in the draft...

 

[jnday]

Good Lord noooooo! That would go down in History as the biggest mistake trading all of those picks for Wentz. My personal draft expert/ scout team which consists of me, my next door neighbor, and the dude that runs the register at the Italian Cafe think Wentz will amount to nothing more than a serviceable qb. He won't be a HOFer, perennial pro bowler type.

If the scouts and coaches think he is a franchise QB, I am for trading up. If there is any question at all, stay at 4 and hope he drops or take another player.

 

[jnday]

Oh and Risen is 100% correct if the Cowboy evaluators, whomever they may be, decide Wentz is a franchise type of guy, then they are fools if they don't make every effort to acquire him.

When has Risen not been 100% correct ? The only posters willing to debate him are those that are jealous . They can't stand his perfect posts or his "like" count.

 

[BigStar]

Trading up to no 1 to nab a 3 or 4 year clipboard holder. Sounds brilliant.

No 1 3000 points.
No 4 1800 points.

I guess we can trade 1, 2, 3, 4 and next years 1st for a back up QB

or we could use those 5 picks to actually help the team.

If there is any truth at all to this rumor it means they believe Romo is done!

Romo alone wins the East if healthy; poor D or not. Back up QB; Romo has missed 13 games in 2 seasons and is also getting older too? Your picks is #4 this year specifically bc your franchise QB went down the year prior. Move up to 1 if rated high enough to take over @ a premium level in 1-2 seasons? Pass...give me some D or a RB that will protect Romo from going down? Where is Leary in your trade value evaluation?

 

[BigStar]

Trading from 4 to 1 is gonna take a lot more than our 2nd round pick. Value charts show our entire 2016 draft doesn't even come close to the value of the #1 pick. It would require future 1st and maybe 2nd round picks.

By this site's draft value chart and assuming that 2nd Rders are worth future 1st rounders, it would take our 1st, 2nd, 3rd and next year's 1st. That's also w/out Leary in play, etc.

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue/

It's all about who you see as the franchise QB. Goff is no guarantee @ 4 either; gets selected by CLE if another team happens to trades up with TEN (SF w/crazy Kelly @ the helm?).

Might be time for McClay to prove he can select in the 4th-7th rds

 

[conner01]

Romo alone wins the East if healthy; poor D or not. Back up QB; Romo has missed 13 games in 2 seasons and is also getting older too? Your picks is #4 this year specifically bc your franchise QB went down the year prior. Move up to 1 if rated high enough to take over @ a premium level in 1-2 seasons? Pass...give me some D or a RB that will protect Romo from going down? Where is Leary in your trade value evaluation?

Leary has little trade value mostly because a team that took him would then have to sign him. If he had 3 or 4 years on a contract that would be different

 

[sbark]

Garrett always says---roster competition up and down the roster is always a good thing.......Its what G.Bay did with Farve.

 

[conner01]

By this site's draft value chart and assuming that 2nd Rders are worth future 1st rounders, it would take our 1st, 2nd, 3rd and next year's 1st. That's also w/out Leary in play, etc.

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue/

It's all about who you see as the franchise QB. Goff is no guarantee @ 4 either; gets selected by CLE if another team happens to trades up with TEN (SF w/crazy Kelly @ the helm?).

Might be time for McClay to prove he can select in the 4th-7th rds

Think about this from the Titans perspective more than the trade value chart. They need lots of help including a tackle. Do they take the best tackle or maybe consider the second best and another premium pick next year. I'm all for trading up if the price can be reasonable but not for full value. If someone else is then so be it. But tunsil, while a great player is not going to fix the Titans. They need lots of pieces. So if they would take say 4th pick this year and 3rd rnd pick as well as 1st next year. They won't get full value but they get an extra premium pick that allows them to continue to build their team. They can still get the second best tackle and a 3rd this year in a draft that's still pretty good in 3rd rnd. So they have two ones next year to add another big piece

 

[conner01]

I would HATE moving up to get anyone ahead of our #4 pick....but, what on God's green earth would Risen do if Dallas traded to #1 and took Goff????

Suicide

 

[conner01]

If the scouts and coaches think he is a franchise QB, I am for trading up. If there is any question at all, stay at 4 and hope he drops or take another player.

That's the key. I love Wentz but I'm not a scout and I hope they know a lot more than I do. It's going to be interesting to see what happens. For all I know they may have Goff rated higher but that would surprise me

 

[BigStar]

Think about this from the Titans perspective more than the trade value chart. They need lots of help including a tackle. Do they take the best tackle or maybe consider the second best and another premium pick next year. I'm all for trading up if the price can be reasonable but not for full value. If someone else is then so be it. But tunsil, while a great player is not going to fix the Titans. They need lots of pieces. So if they would take say 4th pick this year and 3rd rnd pick as well as 1st next year. They won't get full value but they get an extra premium pick that allows them to continue to build their team. They can still get the second best tackle and a 3rd this year in a draft that's still pretty good in 3rd rnd. So they have two ones next year to add another big piece

Oh I hear THAT definitely, get the best value you can get. Frankly I've always thought JJ would be better in this regard since he was a good businessman but we tend to overpay when moving up/making trades of any kind, etc.

 

[BigStar]

Leary has little trade value mostly because a team that took him would then have to sign him. If he had 3 or 4 years on a contract that would be different

True but he wouldn't break the bank either as a starting G. Not terrible value either. But you are correct that he would a lot more attractive signed to a low end deal prior, etc. but would take a 3rd for him w/o blinking.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Jerry would be dooming himself to eternal infamy if he was dumb enough to do this. I can see it now on a lead-in special for the 2035 draft: "#1 on our countdown of all-time draft day blunders: Jerry Jones trades the farm for a community college QB from North Dakota with barely 600 career attempts!"

 

[conner01]

Oh I hear THAT definitely, get the best value you can get. Frankly I've always thought JJ would be better in this regard since he was a good businessman but we tend to overpay when moving up/making trades of any kind, etc.

Jerry trades because he wants a player. You cant win a negotiation if you aren't willing to walk away. I'm not getting in a bidding war or paying a premium price and it may not work but if you show them how it benefits their team you never know. The whole key is being the only one making an offer