Am I the only one underwhelmed by our draft?

[Qwickdraw]

I don't know how you can say that, Carpenter ran a 4.6, on a bad knee, at 250+ pounds, Fasano was regarded as the most complete TE in the draft, Jacob Hatcher ran a 4.8 at 290, SKyler Green was one of the premier return prospects in this draft, Pat Watkins is a beast at 6'4" 210, running a 4.4, yeah, you could say the talent of EJ Whitley and Paul McQuistan is underwhelming, but they're 7th round Olinemen

I was talking about the entire NFL draft as a whole.
Not just the Cowboys.

The talent this year just seemed to be lesser outside the first few picks, IMO.

 

[Qwickdraw]

To me, Fasano is average at best.

I hope I'm wrong but he doesn't seem to be anything special to me... he just happened to play in an offense that featured the TE so he saw more action than your average college TE. But I don't think he's 2nd round talent. Just BP's love affair with Italian-Jersey boy tough guys.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

I think I get what Qwickdraw is saying..

in 2002, i COULDNT WAIT to see Roy Williams play..
in 2003, i COULDNT WAIT to see Terence Newman play..
in 2004, i COULDNT WAIT to see Julius Jones play..
in 2005, i COULDNT WAIT to see Demarcus Ware play..

this year.. i mean, i am very happy with the draft, but there isnt a player i CANT WAIT to see play this year.. i am excited about Carpenter, Fasano, Green, and Watkins.. but not like with previous years..

now, obviously, we were picking lower so of course you dont usually get those really exciting impact players.. and its good that we are picking lower.. and Carpenter isnt a sexy, exciting kind of player.. Roy, we couldnt wait to see him just kill somebody.. Newman, we couldnt wait to see that speed.. Julius, we couldnt wait to see those moves.. Ware, we couldnt wait to see him rush the quarterback.. Carpenter? he doesnt have "one" thing that sticks out at ya that excites ya.. but he should be a very good player and a smart pick by us..

 

[Qwickdraw]

I think I get what Qwickdraw is saying..

in 2002, i COULDNT WAIT to see Roy Williams play..
in 2003, i COULDNT WAIT to see Terence Newman play..
in 2004, i COULDNT WAIT to see Julius Jones play..
in 2005, i COULDNT WAIT to see Demarcus Ware play..

this year.. i mean, i am very happy with the draft, but there isnt a player i CANT WAIT to see play this year.. i am excited about Carpenter, Fasano, Green, and Watkins.. but not like with previous years..

now, obviously, we were picking lower so of course you dont usually get those really exciting impact players.. and its good that we are picking lower.. and Carpenter isnt a sexy, exciting kind of player.. Roy, we couldnt wait to see him just kill somebody.. Newman, we couldnt wait to see that speed.. Julius, we couldnt wait to see those moves.. Ware, we couldnt wait to see him rush the quarterback.. Carpenter? he doesnt have "one" thing that sticks out at ya that excites ya.. but he should be a very good player and a smart pick by us..

You pretty much nailed it right on the head.

That and the fact that I was very pleased with our drafts the past few seasons. Not so much so this year.

 

[burmafrd]

Fasano average at best- so YOU know better then virtually every scout and everyone else that had him as either the second or third best TE in the draft?

 

[Qwickdraw]

Fasano average at best- so YOU know better then virtually every scout and everyone else that had him as either the second or third best TE in the draft?

Yes.

As a matter of fact.

 

[theogt]

Yes.

As a matter of fact.

Sweet. So, how is Mont. Stanley going to turn out?

 

[iceberg]

and iceberg, just give us one example of a team counting on their rookie lineman, linemen, making their line better their rookie year, and they actually did it? please, just one example

sif - i've already learned you're gonna see what you wanna see and reply with standards you wouldn't put your own posts through - so why bother?

for example - should i now go through your posts and find your opinions where you DO NOT SAY 'this is my opinion'?

remember that bit of stupidity you lobbed at me?

but let's not let the mere fact we had a 6th round draft pick start most or all of last year mess up your little tirade. that would just suck, huh?

 

[iceberg]

what many people are missing is that rookie Olineman have to get adjusted to the size and speed of the game, and many highly picked Olineman struggle, mightily, their 1st year in the league, hell Alex Barron, last year's top rookie Olineman was getting abused by Ware the last game of the season, Kosier and Pettiti will be much stronger than any rookie we could have drafted to play Oline

then where are you gonna start, sif? we passed on all the "proven FA's out there where you DON'T get the "struggle factor". we only picked up a sleeper and another 30+ OLman.

to YOU - there was NO ONE in the draft, and there was NO ONE in FA?

so tell me - where do you pick up and build your OL? OL-Mart? you were content to let the proven ones pass you by and you found reasons to make that "ok". you were content to ignore the need in the draft and found reasons to make that "ok". every move the cowboys make you find reasons to make that "ok".

by your own logic we'd not have drafted allen or flo - they're just rookie OLmen, they can't make an impact in their first year - right? so no use in ever drafting one. again - hollow excuse on your part.

just because you want each and every move they make to be "right" doesn't mean they will be. i'm sorry i don't fluff my pom poms with you and tell the world *THIS* is our year. i'm fully aware that i can be and i'm sure *am* wrong at times in my thinking. but i'm also sure the cowboys can and will be wrong also.

unless i'm talking to you - then they never are. after all, we have bp.

 

[Vintage]

Why the Hatcher pick?

Why was he a need?

Back in the 80's, there were smaller OT's....around the 280 lb mark. DE's for the 3-4 were around the 260-mark....

Parcells had LB's in the area of 240-250, which wasn't that much smaller than many of the OT's.

Now we have OT's in the area of 330+...

LB's are still in the 240-250 area. Now more than ever, for a 3-4 to work, the LB's need to be kept off of the OL so as the L's don't get worn down....

And you do that with a good DL rotation, so the DL can constantly put pressure on the OL.

Canty, Spears, Hatcher are the foundation of that....as is Ratliff....at DE.

Ferguson, Johnson, and Stanley form a nice NT rotation...

Meaning, they can go "all out" for a couple of plays, rotate, grab a breather, and do it again...

Meaning our LB's will be better rested and protected....

And we can wear down opposing team's OL....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

for example - should i now go through your posts and find your opinions where you DO NOT SAY 'this is my opinion'?

no, just for the 1st time in a long time, answer a direct question, that's 2 you've left unanswered in 2 days

 

[iceberg]

no, just for the 1st time in a long time, answer a direct question, that's 2 you've left unanswered in 2 days

not my fault you either can't understand or don't like my answers, summer.

i don't "run" from a question. but if a "Correct" answer is one "you'll bless" then stop looking for that from me now. not my goal. and if you mean the "play my game, take my bait!" you drop so you can only refute anything i say anyway - what gives me any hope at all you'll at least try to understand my opposing views if all you've done to date of them is make fun of them?

so could i go out and pick players i'd prefer? sure. but in the end you've got the "but you're not bill" veto stamp so many run to when *they* don't have the answers either.

this is an opinion exchange - not a "i'm right, you're not" board.

 

[iceberg]

Why the Hatcher pick?

Why was he a need?

Back in the 80's, there were smaller OT's....around the 280 lb mark. DE's for the 3-4 were around the 260-mark....

Parcells had LB's in the area of 240-250, which wasn't that much smaller than many of the OT's.

Now we have OT's in the area of 330+...

LB's are still in the 240-250 area. Now more than ever, for a 3-4 to work, the LB's need to be kept off of the OL so as the L's don't get worn down....

And you do that with a good DL rotation, so the DL can constantly put pressure on the OL.

Canty, Spears, Hatcher are the foundation of that....as is Ratliff....at DE.

Ferguson, Johnson, and Stanley form a nice NT rotation...

Meaning, they can go "all out" for a couple of plays, rotate, grab a breather, and do it again...

Meaning our LB's will be better rested and protected....

And we can wear down opposing team's OL....

nice on paper but if a guarantee, all would do it and they'd find a way to stop it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

by your own logic we'd not have drafted allen or flo - they're just rookie OLmen, they can't make an impact in their first year - right? so no use in ever drafting one. again - hollow excuse on your part.

no, draft starters, that's it, which Carpenter and Fasano are, no Olinemen available at those picks were going to start, so we drafted 2 players who will, yet you're complaining, we signed 2 starting-caliber players fo the line in FA already, how many new guys do you think we needed starting? you know part of an Oline's success is continuity right?

so again, to make your argument work, you would need an example of what you're talking about, you say we needed to find Oline help in the draft, so that must mean you wanted us to draft Olineman capable of starting this year, and who would improve the line this year, so what example can you give me of that happening? look at the Chief's line, maybe the best in football, how many players on that line were Chief 1st round picks?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

not my fault you either can't understand or don't like my answers, summer.

I understand you perfectly, you: "we failed in the draft, we didnt' get Oline help", that's pretty straight-forward, you think we made a mistake because we didn't take Olineman capable of starting this year

i don't "run" from a question.

well you don't answer them

 

[AsthmaField]

no, just for the 1st time in a long time, answer a direct question, that's 2 you've left unanswered in 2 days

I know you didn't ask me Summer... but for what it's worth, I can't think of one team that had rookie OL come in and help solidify the OL. I can think of teams that had rookie OL play (like us last year), but none of them that I can think of really played well and helped the team win.

Maybe I'm forgetting a team...

 

[iceberg]

no, draft starters, that's it, which Carpenter and Fasano are, no Olinemen available at those picks were going to start, so we drafted 2 players who will, yet you're complaining, we signed 2 starting-caliber players in FA already, how many new guys do you think we needed starting? you know part of an Oline's success is continuity right?

so again, to make your argument work, you would need an example of what you're talking about, you say we needed to find Oline help in the draft, so that must mean you wanted us to draft Olineman capable of starting this year, and who would improve the line this year, so what example can you give me of that happening? look at the Chief's line, maybe the best in football, how many players on that line were Chief 1st round picks?

it's not my "argument" it's my "opinion"

you're the one who seems hellbent on "arguments" not discussion.

we're already on different pages so no sense in trying to crossover any longer.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

it's not my "argument" it's my "opinion"

call it what you want, it's wrong

you're the one who seems hellbent on "arguments" not discussion.

at least I'm not hell-bent on *****ing and moaning, and giving no real answer to the problem

 

[iceberg]

I know you didn't ask me Summer... but for what it's worth, I can't think of one team that had rookie OL come in and help solidify the OL. I can think of teams that had rookie OL play (like us last year), but none of them that I can think of really played well and helped the team win.

Maybe I'm forgetting a team...

again - by this logic you'd never draft anyone who can't immediately start.

could someone we drafted in the 1st or 2nd round be that "stud" in 2-3 years? sure. but if we pass each and every time *WHEN* do we start rebuilding the line?

as for not answering questions - if the draft was bad, why ignore quality starters like bentley and hutchinson when you KNOW they could start? it's no lock fabini will start over petitti, is it?

this "move only for today" mentality is driving that thought process and i think it's very short sighted.

 

[iceberg]

call it what you want, it's wrong



at least I'm not hell-bent on *****ing and moaning, and giving no real answer to the problem

by defination an opinion can't be wrong.

i've provided *my* answers, you just don't like 'em.

grow up dude.