Anthony Spencer Signs With Saints

[mahoneybill]

Spence was a decent player, not bad and not great, serviceable.... It's time to move on and let Marinelli stock the defense with young players that he thinks will make the defense stout.

Agree. The probability exists due to the nature of his injury, and his time in the league, that he will get hurt again. Marinelli I'm sure weighed that against getting some new blood to really learn his system, and be more serviceable and impactful over a longer time frame.

Thanks Anthony for your time here, and I'm sure all of Franchise $$$ you earned bring a smile to your face even though you are no longer a Cowboy.

 

[Idgit]

oh noes, Spencer didnt live up to my expectations, nor that of the NFL. get over it, just beacuse he was a Cowboy doesnt mean he was the end all be all. It was a bad pick, it was bad before it was announced, it was worse when it was announced and it was terrible when it became reality. Thats it end of story. Bad pick. Not just for where he was picked, just a bad pick. Period, the end.

There's nothing for me to get over. He was a good pick and a solid player. Not the be-all or end-all. Just a solid player.

If you choose to believe otherwise for whatever reason, you're simply wrong. The longevity and the production is irrefutable, but if you never understood that when he was here, you're not going to acknowledge it now that he's gone. It's not my job to convince you otherwise, but I will point out when your position is unsupportable.

And your position is unsupportable.

 

[ShiningStar]

There's nothing for me to get over. He was a good pick and a solid player. Not the be-all or end-all. Just a solid player.

If you choose to believe otherwise for whatever reason, you're simply wrong. The longevity and the production is irrefutable, but if you never understood that when he was here, you're not going to acknowledge it now that he's gone. It's not my job to convince you otherwise, but I will point out when your position is unsupportable.

And your position is unsupportable.

is he gone,

<-------- WInner, your argument is invalid.

 

[Nightman]

is he gone,

<-------- WInner, your argument is invalid.

Him being 'gone' after 8 years only strengthens his argument and makes yours look worse and worse

 

[CyberB0b]

Well it kinda was.

2013 was wasted because of it.

2014 he was not very good.

Yep he got to play a little more.

After 2 seasons of being the "Franchise" player all he needed to do was wrap up a typical 2013 season for himself and he would have had a nice 3-4 year contract with someone.

The guy has made a hell of a living off that one double digit sack year.

 

[ShiningStar]

The guy has made a hell of a living off that one double digit sack year.

and people will praise him on that, justifying his pick, but sadly, its like battling that the planet is flat. To some, theres no getting over that hump.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

Spencer was so underrated around here. I hope he does good and I'll cheer him on. It sucks he got the injury that he did. He didn't get to cash in on that big contract that would've set his family up for good.

 

[Idgit]

and people will praise him on that, justifying his pick, but sadly, its like battling that the planet is flat. To some, theres no getting over that hump.

We don't need the probowl season to justify the pick. We just need to know the level most first round picks perform at. Most of them don't have even one probowl season. Most of them don't last 8 years in the NFL.

This isn't really even a debate. The data simply doesn't support the position you're trying to defend.

 

[guag]

oh noes, Spencer didnt live up to my expectations, nor that of the NFL. get over it, just beacuse he was a Cowboy doesnt mean he was the end all be all. It was a bad pick, it was bad before it was announced, it was worse when it was announced and it was terrible when it became reality. Thats it end of story. Bad pick. Not just for where he was picked, just a bad pick. Period, the end.

I don't know, if Spencer was a 4th-7th rounder I think what he would have been considered an above-average value based on his career. Then again, if his draft status was such, we most certainly would not have franchised him twice (and maybe not even the first time).

Regardless, if his career ended with us after the 2012 season, he'd likely be looked at in a much different light around here... probably lots of talk of how he was about to have a breakout season and become a super star or somethin if we would have kept him.

 

[Nightman]

Spencer was so underrated around here. I hope he does good and I'll cheer him on. It sucks he got the injury that he did. He didn't get to cash in on that big contract that would've set his family up for good.

He made 19m over 2 seasons. That is what he would've made with a long term deal. He did just fine financially.

 

[tyke1doe]

Tough crowd when a probowl player like Anthony Spencer doesn't live up to his draft stock. What he didn't live up to was fans' unrealistic expectations.

Here's the list from that (good) 2007 first round, by the way. We could have done a lot worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NFL_draft

We drafted him to get sacks. He had one season where he had double digit sacks, and that barely. And he was playing opposite all-world D. Ware.

I don't care if we could have done worse. We drafted him for a specific task, i.e., to play opposite Ware and give us a greater chance at getting to the quarterback because he wouldn't draw the defensive attention Ware did.

He (Spencer) failed to deliver. Stop making excuses for him. He was sub par at best.

 

[Idgit]

We drafted him to get sacks. He had one season where he had double digit sacks, and that barely. And he was playing opposite all-world D. Ware.

I don't care if we could have done worse. We drafted him for a specific task, i.e., to play opposite Ware and give us a greater chance at getting to the quarterback because he wouldn't draw the defensive attention Ware did.

He (Spencer) failed to deliver. Stop making excuses for him. He was sub par at best.

His role was not really to get sacks. And I'm not making any excuses for him because they are not necessary.

He was simply a probowl player and a hit as a draft pick. If you're not satisfied with that, the problem is with your expectations.

 

[Hoofbite]

Does this add to our calculation for compensatory picks?

Doubt it. They only award 32 total picks so it's possible for some signings that qualify for compensation to result in nothing because the quota has been met.

 

[tyke1doe]

His role was not really to get sacks. And I'm not making any excuses for him because they are not necessary.

He was simply a probowl player and a hit as a draft pick. If you're not satisfied with that, the problem is with your expectations.

A pass rusher not getting sacks is like a running back not getting yardage. I guess we should be glad a running back can block and be happy with that. I guess if we're not satisfied with him simply serving as a blocker, the problem is with our expectations.

 

[Idgit]

A pass rusher not getting sacks is like a running back not getting yardage. I guess we should be glad a running back can block and be happy with that. I guess if we're not satisfied with him simply serving as a blocker, the problem is with our expectations.

It sounds like you also have an issue with your expectations for any SOLB in our former defense. But youre also underestimating Spencer's actual performance when it came to pressuring QBs.

And, yeah, there was pretty obviously an issue with your expectations. But look on the bright side: Saints fans can expect the moon from him and be angry when they don't get it now. We can start complaining about Demarcus Lawrence. He doesn't look anything like an all pro yet, right? Waste of a second round pick.

 

[tyke1doe]

It sounds like you also have an issue with your expectations for any SOLB in our former defense. But youre also underestimating Spencer's actual performance when it came to pressuring QBs.

Pressuring the QB is like kissing a girl and not, you know, going all the way.
Who stops at kissing when they want something more?
Why simply pressure the quarterback when you can sack him?

And, yeah, there was pretty obviously an issue with your expectations. But look on the bright side: Saints fans can expect the moon from him and be angry when they don't get it now. We can start complaining about Demarcus Lawrence. He doesn't look anything like an all pro yet, right? Waste of a second round pick.

We're talking about Anthony Spencer not DeMarcus Lawrence, who, by the way, was drafted in the second round.
And if my expectations are high, your expectations were very, very low. Yeah, we drafted Anthony Spencer in the first round to get close enough to the quarterback to simply breathe on him.

 

[Idgit]

Pressuring the QB is like kissing a girl and not, you know, going all the way.
Who stops at kissing when they want something more?
Why simply pressure the quarterback when you can sack him?





We're talking about Anthony Spencer not DeMarcus Lawrence, who, by the way, was drafted in the second round.
And if my expectations are high, your expectations were very, very low. Yeah, we drafted Anthony Spencer in the first round to get close enough to the quarterback to simply breathe on him.

He was a probowl SOLB and a good pick. If you choose to believe otherwise for whatever reason, that's on you.

There's no point in you saying it and then me telling you over and over that you're demonstrably wrong. Let's agree to disagree at this point.

Spencer can take his pro bowl and his hundred-plus games played in the NFL and counting to New Orleans, and you can continue to believe he was a bad first round pick.

 

[tyke1doe]

He was a probowl SOLB and a good pick. If you choose to believe otherwise for whatever reason, that's on you.

I know it's on me. You're upset with my opinion, which is why you felt the need to respond.

There's no point in you saying it and then me telling you over and over that you're demonstrably wrong. Let's agree to disagree at this point.

Spencer can take his pro bowl and his hundred-plus games played in the NFL and counting to New Orleans, and you can continue to believe he was a bad first round pick.

Okay, now that we have that settled, why did you seek to challenge me on my opinion?

 

[Idgit]

I know it's on me. You're upset with my opinion, which is why you felt the need to respond.

Okay, now that we have that settled, why did you seek to challenge me on my opinion?

I'm not in the slightest bit upset with your opinion. So you're wrong on the Internet? Big deal.

I happen to appreciate good players playing good football for the Dallas Cowboys, and I dislike seeing their contributions misrepresented by fans whose expectations were never realistic in the first place. It's really not any more complicated than that.

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm not in the slightest bit upset with your opinion. So you're wrong on the Internet? Big deal.

Well, then why did you respond to my post then turn this in to a big tit-for-tat because I registered my opinion? I don't think Spencer was worth the first-round pick we wasted on him.
Instead of valuing my opinion or letting my opinion stand, you challenged it. Now you say, I'm entitled to my opinion.

Well, duh. I knew that when we started this conversation.

I happen to appreciate good players playing good football for the Dallas Cowboys, and I dislike seeing their contributions misrepresented by fans whose expectations were never realistic in the first place. It's really not any more complicated than that.

And it doesn't get more complicated than this: If you get taken in the first round and you're a pass rusher, you're expected to do more than just breathe on the quarterback. You're expected to take him to the ground. Spencer registered only ONE double-digit sack season in his nine years. And put up subpar 5 sack, 6 sack, 4 sack years playing opposite the great DeMarcus Ware.
The man was average at best for the round we took him in. And anyone not drinking the Cowboy Kool-aid would find that unacceptable.
Stay thirsty, my friend.