Any news on Henson?

[CrazyCowboy]

I think that's part of the problem. We draft a raw kid in the second round, or pluck a guy off a baseball team, etc...and the expectations are that they "become the guy." Granted, part of the reason is because of the hype the team puts out about the guys.

It's enough pressure on a highly-talented guy taken No. 1 in the draft. IMO, it's even more when being put on guys selected in the latter rounds.

Imagine if Tom Brady had been expected to save the Patriots' franchise his first and second years in the league. Would the scenario have worked out as well as it did? I'm not so sure.

Dale,

I just want to say thanks for taking the time out of your busy schedule to give us this summarization of Henson progress. Speaking on behalf of the other Zoners......we appreciate all you do.

Wish I was out there with you this year.......

Thanks!

 

[Hostile]

You're right, but I got my point across

Never leave out the huevos man. It just ain't breakfast without them.

 

[dbair1967]

Thanks for proving my point!!! My point is you dont always take the more talented player, you take the better player. Sometimes, you do take talent because they are better, sometimes you dont. dbair unintenially gets owned by someone trying to support him

nobody is owning anything...anyone making a Randall Cunningham over Troy Aikman argument really doesnt warrant being argued with...

the only thing Cunningham ever had on a guy like Aikman was his scrambling ability...when it comes to actually DOING the things most important for a QB to do (quick drops, quick reads, precision accuracy, accurate reads, ability to make eveyr throw) Cunningham was nowhere near the talent a guy like Aikman was...

David

 

[The30YardSlant]

when was Cunningham stronger? when was Cunningham's arm stronger? Aikman made intermediate throws with accuracy and velocity that Cunningham could never dream of...as for faster, dont know what Cunningham ran but Aikman was a 4.6 guy at 220lbs coming out of UCLA

he was a better scrambler, but who cares? I want a QB who can read defenses, get rid of the ball quickly and accurately and gun it when he needs to...all those factors go into QB "talent", and Aikman was one of the highest rated prospects ever in those areas...

David

That's fine, but Aikman was no the athlete Cunningham was. Randall was a better athlete, and the better athlete is defined as someone who has more natural, go-given skills.

 

[BHendri5]

I wouldn't be surprised if Henson gets cut ... it's been apparent to me since last year that Parcells doesn't have a very high opinion about Henson ...

I feel the same as you. I still say that Henson was forced on BP, by Jerry.
I cannot see how any HOF coach would go thru the same scenario back to back. Same guys just different last names, but both start with an H.

I hope this kid does something, or get cut so that I can stop reading these whiney posts. I still say the kid is holding a roster spot hostage, and if Romo is not looking any better then he is holding a roster spot hostage too.

But I believe Romo is doing better than people are saying.

 

[gbrittain]

I prefer Nostradumba** myself

We'll see on Saturday

Unfortunately, I guess...I have not read the entire thread. Not sure what Dbair said, but unless he maintains that Cunningham was a better QB than Aikman he did not get "owned".

Anyone who believes Cunningham was a better QB than Aikman may as well believe Dominque Wilkins was a better basketball player than Michael Jordan.

 

[dbair1967]

You're right, but I got my point across

what point? that you have some sort of man love for Cunningham?

David

 

[Hostile]

I feel the same as you. I still say that Henson was forced on BP, by Jerry.
I cannot see how any HOF coach would go thru the same scenario back to back. Same guys just different last names, but both start with an H.

I hope this kid does something, or get cut so that I can stop reading these whiney posts. I still say the kid is holding a roster spot hostage, and if Romo is not looking any better then he is holding a roster spot hostage too.

But I believe Romo is doing better than people are saying.

Hypocrite alert. What happened to 3 years to develop?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Never leave out the huevos man. It just ain't breakfast without them.

:shoot4:

 

[BigDFan5]

If Henson is great and plays well, then I was wrong about him being a bad QB. I have no problem saying it. Evcen if it is preseason, you have to be fairly good to play a great game as a QB.

So now he has to be great? define great

 

[The30YardSlant]

I feel the same as you. I still say that Henson was forced on BP, by Jerry.
I cannot see how any HOF coach would go thru the same scenario back to back. Same guys just different last names, but both start with an H.

I hope this kid does something, or get cut so that I can stop reading these whiney posts. I still say the kid is holding a roster spot hostage, and if Romo is not looking any better then he is holding a roster spot hostage too.

But I believe Romo is doing better than people are saying.

While I agree, please stop acting like you've always felt this way. You said yourself a QB needs alot of time.

 

[dbair1967]

That's fine, but Aikman was no the athlete Cunningham was. Randall was a better athlete, and the better athlete is defined as someone who has more natural, go-given skills.

now we're to who's the better athlete?

so what, Cunningham could scramble better...that certainly doesnt make him the better talent

David

 

[The30YardSlant]

So now he has to be great? define great

I dont know.....

Completes 60-65% of his passes, no INTs (unless he throws ALOT of passes), at least 1-2 TDs.

 

[Kilyin]

That's fine, but Aikman was no the athlete Cunningham was. Randall was a better athlete, and the better athlete is defined as someone who has more natural, go-given skills

Different types of athleticism, but make no mistake Aikman was an athlete, and a damn tough one.

 

[Hostile]

I dont know.....

Completes 60-65% of his passes, no INTs (unless he throws ALOT of passes), at least 1-2 TDs.

You have a warped scale.

 

[The30YardSlant]

now we're to who's the better athlete?

so what, Cunningham could scramble better...that certainly doesnt make him the better talent

David

PHYSICAL SKILLS are what you have without having to learn. Speed, agility, strength, etc are physical skills. By that definition, Randall was the better PHYSICAL player. I wont argue for a second that Troy was smarter, or had a better pocket presense, but those are things that are leanred from experiance.

 

[The30YardSlant]

You have a warped scale.

I'm not asking for Peyton Manning here, but if he cant do that against the 2nd-3rd team defense of a bottom dwelling team, he's in trouble.

 

[Hostile]

PHYSICAL SKILLS are what you have without having to learn. Speed, agility, strength, etc are physical skills. By that definition, Randall was the better PHYSICAL player. I wont argue for a second that Troy was smarter, or had a better pocket presense, but those are things that are leanred from experiance.

I tell you it's huevos.

 

[Hostile]

I'm not asking for Peyton Manning here, but if he cant do that against the 2nd-3rd team defense of a bottom dwelling team, he's in trouble.

Wrong.

All you ask of QBs in game 1 of Pre-season is to move the chains, sustain drives, and if the scores come, they come.

You do not put pre-conceived numbers and say anything less is failure or proof.

Premature evaluation. Just like all the "proof" that someone had what it takes based on 1 pass here or there.

 

[dbair1967]

PHYSICAL SKILLS are what you have without having to learn. Speed, agility, strength, etc are physical skills. By that definition, Randall was the better PHYSICAL player. I wont argue for a second that Troy was smarter, or had a better pocket presense, but those are things that are leanred from experiance.

where do you have anything to document that Cunningham was faster or stronger? judging from their builds I'd say Aikman was alot stronger physically than Cunningham

and you were arguing that Cunningham was more talented...as I pointed out there are alot of things that go into talent, and for a QB there are ALOT of things more important than how fast you can run or how high you can jump

David