Any news on Henson?

[Nors]

Training camp - Romo settling in again.

JJ knows know where his prospect stands - a few years away. I'm pulling for Romo to hold the fort behind Bledsoe!

 

[BigDFan5]

He looked great for 2 full quarters against KC, and lead the game winning drive against Oakland

Against the backups of one of the worst defensive teams in the NFL.

That game winning drive he threw an INT that was called back, and then called the wrong play at the goaline

 

[BigDFan5]

I see the things you have in bold type, that does nothing more than tell us that BP, was just doing his check of the kid, background checks on the kid and that he did not want to alert writers(and we are not sure that he said anything like that, we all know how writers input their own opinion and twist people words around) also in the meeting with Stephen Jones, it is BP's job to be in the know on how much is being payed to a player, and for all we know he might have been in there telling the Stephen to not over pay this guy, that we are going thru another Hutch experiment and he did not want a lot of money tied up in another guy trying to make up for lost time.

That article can be taken anyway a person wants to comprehend it, we will all know the truth either after this preseason, the regular season or in BP;s next book. We know he will come out with another book about coaching America's team.

keep backpedalling

 

[BigDFan5]

Training camp - Romo settling in again.

JJ knows know where his prospect stands - a few years away. I'm pulling for Romo to hold the fort behind Bledsoe!

Do you ever respond to people who use real logic or do you just keep repeating things that aren't true?

 

[Hostile]

I see the things you have in bold type, that does nothing more than tell us that BP, was just doing his check of the kid, background checks on the kid and that he did not want to alert writers(and we are not sure that he said anything like that, we all know how writers input their own opinion and twist people words around) also in the meeting with Stephen Jones, it is BP's job to be in the know on how much is being payed to a player, and for all we know he might have been in there telling the Stephen to not over pay this guy, that we are going thru another Hutch experiment and he did not want a lot of money tied up in another guy trying to make up for lost time.

That article can be taken anyway a person wants to comprehend it, we will all know the truth either after this preseason, the regular season or in BP;s next book. We know he will come out with another book about coaching America's team.

Spin control Airman Daly.

 

[BHendri5]

Hypocrite alert. What happened to 3 years to develop?

astronaut alert, you forgot the dash - and the 5 yrs to develop.
Let me help you 3 -5yrs.

Also, remember I said to watch Carr and Harrington? They are going into their 4th season.
I said that the Texans would be 7-9 or 8-8 in the 04 season, maybe even close to making it into the playoffs.

And that the Lions would be better, not 500 or not even 7-9 but better than the 03 season.

Because their organization is putting the pieces around them. This is Carr's and Harrington's 4th season they will have very good seasons.

Texans will be in the playoffs, and the Lions will be close, and may make it also.

Brees was no surprise to me, it was time and the pieces were there, mainly his OL. It was Brees's 4th season.

But those guys continued to play football they did not have a 4yr layoff.
If Henson had continued to play I would have said 3- 5yrs, for him, but it will take him longer if he can do it, too long for us to wait.

 

[Hostile]

astronaut alert, you forgot the dash - and the 5 yrs to develop.
Let me help you 3 -5yrs.

Also, remember I said to watch Carr and Harrington? They are going into their 4th season.
I said that the Texans would be 7-9 or 8-8 in the 04 season, maybe even close to making it into the playoffs.

And that the Lions would be better, not 500 or not even 7-9 but better than the 03 season.

Because their organization is putting the pieces around them. This is Carr's and Harrington's 4th season they will have very good seasons.

Texans will be in the playoffs, and the Lions will be close, and may make it also.

Brees was no surprise to me, it was time and the pieces were there, mainly his OL. It was Brees's 4th season.

But those guys continued to play football they did not have a 4yr layoff.
If Henson had continued to play I would have said 3- 5yrs, for him, but it will take him longer if he can do it, too long for us to wait.

You don't even realize you just spoke out of both sides of your mouth do you?

That's just sad man.

 

[BHendri5]

While I agree, please stop acting like you've always felt this way. You said yourself a QB needs alot of time.

You agree? I have always maintained that it took a young QB on the average, 3 - 5 yrs to get it. Meaning that some have the light click on in their 3rd season, mostly the 4th season is when it happens but by the 5th season they should have it, if they are going to be anything. Brees proved it theis past season, McNabb proved it in his 3rd or 4th season, culpeper proved it in his 3rd or 4th season(of course Daunte did not get on the field till his 3rd season, because of cunningham and Brad Johnson. Manning had his team going in his 3rd season, plus he had the back and the receiver.
Vick is a phenom, but he has not gotten it just yet, he is just so much more athletically gifted than any other QB in the league that is why his team has been good.

3-5yrs is what I have always stated with continuous playing no layoffs.
Not 4 -7yrs as in Henson's case, because of the layoff.
So yes I have always felt this way about Henson.

 

[BHendri5]

you have alot of facts pretty messed up...we signed Hutchinson way before Henson was ever drafted by Houston...

as for the rest of your story, it totally contradicts everything documeted in JJT's story

Parcells has been calling every shot here since day one...

David

JJt? You could have picked a better writer than that. JJt is an idiot just like Mickey.
Answer this who is the GM? who is the owner? who's signature has to be the final one on any deals? Who can make deals without answering to anyone else?

Finally, why does Parcells always tell the reporters Jones has the final say so, and that he has to run every thing by Jerry?

Do not act like you never heard Parcells say that either.

 

[BHendri5]

Wrong, as per usual.

It's right, as usual

 

[BHendri5]

keep backpedalling

You are funny and blind. I'm not back peddaling I'm going full speed ahead. Like a Diesel with no brakes.

 

[BHendri5]

You don't even realize you just spoke out of both sides of your mouth do you?

That's just sad man.

Both sides of my mouth? I was not aware that I spoke a word. I typed my posts. I did not speak them.

But hey, what do I know you are always right. LOL

You're Dismissed!!! Beat it Like MIKE. LOL

 

[parchy]

Both sides of my mouth? I was not aware that I spoke a word. I typed my posts. I did not speak them.

But hey, what do I know you are always right. LOL

You're Dismissed!!! Beat it Like MIKE. LOL

You're the most pathetic debater on the planet if you think you just 'dismissed' anybody with that lame, Busch League, 4th grade comeback. Congrats on digging yourself a deeper ditch.

 

[Bizwah]

He looked great for 2 full quarters against KC, and lead the game winning drive against Oakland

Ok.......I don't want to get into this silly debate. I don't like to see us so polarized about players we're all supposed to be rooting for.

Also, why is it so hard to be patient? Parcells is certainly being patient. Who knows how the preseason games will turn out. Hopefully, Romo or Henson will prove themselves worthy. If neither do, then let's pursue a FA like Testeverde.

Back to the original point. I wanted to point out some inaccuracies in your post. Romo looked good against KC, no doubt. But don't forget, KC had one of the WORST defenses in the NFL last year. He had the game winning drive against Oakland, but was lucky to have an INT called back on the last drive, and needed some other penalties to help extend the drive.

I love Romo's deep ball, and his moxie. I would love to see him turn into Kurt Warner 2.0.

You're railing Henson for the Chicago game. But let's be fair shall we. It's hard enough for a Vet to go into a Nationally televised game on four days rest. But a rookie? The Bears continually blitzed this game.....Henson had no chance several times.

Let's all take go into the "Way-Back Machine". Remember one of Aikman's first passes? I believe in his first possession, he threw an INT that went for a TD. He was absolutley horrid that game against the Aints. Good thing we didn't throw him under the bus as we're doing with Henson and Romo.

I can still remember people clamouring for Walsh to start. Let's all be patient and wait for Parcells to make the decision. He'll do what's best.

 

[parchy]

Good thing we didn't throw him under the bus as we're doing with Henson and Romo.

To be fair, that was a pretty different situation. The team was in rebuild mode and had gone 3-13 the year prior. It was a situation where they could afford to take a chance starting a 1st overall draft pick... we're not exactly rebuilding right now, and it wouldn't be fair to the vets on the team to throw some wet-behind-the-ears rook to the wolves while they all watch it burn... we don't even know if Henson's still got it after however many years of baseball, and unless the team wants to go 3-13 again, Bledsoe was the best option. Personally, after having losing teams from the late 90's on, I think the window of opportunity for rebuilding NOW has closed.

I view the situation as a fast-moving carousel... Henson keeps trying to step on, but it's damn tough while it's already moving. Like anything, if he gets enough opportunity, he'll make it on there.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Do you ever respond to people who use real logic or do you just keep repeating things that aren't true?

You haven't figured that out yet?

 

[jobberone]

Om Mani Padme Hum.

It's just Nors way of doing things. He believes. I respect your opinions Nors. I love your persistence.

BTW that is used for demonstrative reasons and the author is in no way trying to demean Buddism or its followers.

 

[Bizwah]

To be fair, that was a pretty different situation. The team was in rebuild mode and had gone 3-13 the year prior. It was a situation where they could afford to take a chance starting a 1st overall draft pick... we're not exactly rebuilding right now, and it wouldn't be fair to the vets on the team to throw some wet-behind-the-ears rook to the wolves while they all watch it burn... we don't even know if Henson's still got it after however many years of baseball, and unless the team wants to go 3-13 again, Bledsoe was the best option. Personally, after having losing teams from the late 90's on, I think the window of opportunity for rebuilding NOW has closed.

I view the situation as a fast-moving carousel... Henson keeps trying to step on, but it's damn tough while it's already moving. Like anything, if he gets enough opportunity, he'll make it on there.

True, very true......and an excellent post.

I'm not saying that we should depend on Henson and Romo even if they continue their poor play. The arguement is about the backup position. And really, if neither prove to be capable, then let's shop for a better option.

I'm just saying that patience is required with QBs. Some need developing just like big league pitchers.

 

[DallasInDC]

It does lead to you believe we might have tried to fix something that was not broken.

Tiger Woods changed his swing after winning his 8th major, looked average for 2 years, and finally finished 1-2-1 in the last 3 grand slam events. Tiger tried to fix something that wasn't broken and look how it turned out. These type of changes take time. If it didn't, every NFL QB would have a prototypical throwing motion. In time, he'll have a natural feel for the change and will be a better player for it (I hope).

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Just a reminder that Bill was very much involved in Drew's signing. If he hadn't wanted him, he wouldn't be here.

Of course he was involved ... he was the head coach at the time ...

How the Cowboys got Henson

Organization's focus pays off when quarterback winds up in mix

09:12 AM CST on Wednesday, March 31, 2004
By JEAN-JACQUES TAYLOR / The Dallas Morning News

IRVING – Every time Cowboys owner Jerry Jones talks about Drew Henson, his mind drifts to champagne showers and Super Bowl trophies.

Every time Jones sees videotape of Henson playing at Michigan, he remembers Troy Aikman as the epicenter of an offensive machine that helped the Cowboys win five consecutive NFC East titles and three Super Bowls to earn the title of Team of the '90s.

So it should come as no surprise that Henson will be wearing the Cowboys' fabled blue star on the side of a silver helmet when the 2004 season begins.

After all, Jones has coveted the 6-5, 233-pound quarterback since he read Cowboys scout Jim Garrett's glowing report after the 2000 season.

And on Friday afternoon, Henson became an official member of the Dallas Cowboys, when the NFL finally approved a trade that sent a third-round pick in 2005 to the Houston Texans for the 24-year-old.

"I commend them for being imaginative, creative and aggressive in doing this," Houston general manager Charley Casserly said. "This kid is as good as any quarterback in the draft. He hasn't played in a while, but he'll overcome that eventually."

Setting the table

Jerry Jones phoned Dan Henson the day before the 2003 draft, as did representatives from five other clubs. Each team knew Henson's son was struggling at Triple-A and wanted to know if Drew was still committed to playing baseball.

Henson, considered one of the top players in the nation after passing for more than 2,000 yards with 18 touchdowns and four interceptions as a junior at Michigan, quit football to sign a six-year, $17 million contract with the New York Yankees.

"I told him that Drew was still committed to playing baseball, but there might be a better matchup to his physical and mental skills in football," said Dan Henson, who coached football at several Division I colleges. "I think he missed the athleticism. He missed running around and making a play, because in baseball, you're confined to a three-foot spot at third base or home plate."

The next day, as the draft moved into the middle rounds, Jones phoned Dan Henson again.

"I thought there was a chance Dallas was going to draft him," Henson said. "There were two to three teams that called me and wanted me to tell them that Drew was going to play football, but I couldn't do that. Charley
Casserly was intuitive enough to know that it wasn't as big a risk as other people thought."

That's because the Texans had talked to numerous baseball scouts and
sources within the Yankees, making Casserly convinced Henson would return to football.

Houston selected him in the sixth round.

"I called Dan and told him, 'The only reason we drafted Drew was to trade him,' " Casserly said.

After hitting .233 with the Columbus Clippers, Henson decided to return to
football.

Soon after that happened, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones and Bill Parcells met in the scouting department to discuss how seriously they should pursue Henson.
It was the first of several meetings.

They asked each other questions such as: "How does a young quarterback fit our quarterback situation?" "How will he fit with our team? "What's his talent level?"

There were few negatives, so they decided to pursue him.

A trade made sense because it would give Houston an opportunity to receive a premium draft pick while allowing Henson to choose where he played. If he returned to the draft, he would have had no say in which team selected him.
Houston retained Henson's rights until April 23, but Jones had a different timetable.

He wanted a deal done in March.

Then Henson could participate in the entire off-season program and have an additional month to learn the offense and work with the coaching staff before the club's first rookie camp.

The Senior Bowl

At the end of a Senior Bowl practice in mid-January, Stephen Jones spoke with Henson's agent, Tom Condon, concerning his client's intentions.

"We understand Drew might be considering playing football. Is that the case?" Stephen Jones asked.

"Yes, he's definitely going to play football," Condon said.

"Are you going to advise him to go back in the draft, or would he entertain something where he didn't have to go back in the draft?" Stephen Jones said. "Is there a way to do the contract where Drew could be happy and not go back into the draft?"

"Yes, because the appealing thing about not going back into the draft is that you can pick your team," Condon said.

Now, Dallas could intensify its efforts.

Michigan coach Lloyd Carr, in town because Wolverines running back Chris Perry was going to receive the Doak Walker Award, visited Valley Ranch in February and met with Stephen Jones and Parcells, an old friend.
Jones liked what he heard during their 30-minute meeting.

"My college coach said I won't have any problems with his style of coaching," said Henson, "and I agree."

On Feb. 12, Henson worked out for 20 teams in Houston. Quarterbacks coach Sean Payton, scout Walter Juliff and offensive assistant David Lee represented the Cowboys.

Parcells and Jerry Jones remained in Dallas because they didn't want to alert the rest of the NFL just how much they wanted Henson.

Payton, a longtime friend of Henson's father, returned with glowing reviews.

The combine

When Jerry Jones arrived in Indianapolis at the NFL's Scouting Combine on Feb. 19, meeting with Casserly and Condon was near the top of his priority list.

He needed a feel for the compensation Houston wanted and the contract Condon desired.

Three days later, Jones met with Casserly in the RCA Dome.

They sat in the stands near the finish line of the 40-yard dash and discussed compensation for about 15 minutes.

Casserly wanted a conditional third-round pick in 2005 that could become a first-round choice if Henson performed at a certain level or a second-round pick in 2004.

But Jones doesn't like conditional picks because he always assumes the player
he's acquiring will perform at a high level, thus the team he's trading with will get a better draft choice.

Toward the end of their conversation, Casserly agreed to let the Cowboys put Henson through a personal workout soon after the combine.

"I wanted to keep the momentum going," Casserly said.

Jones returned to the Cowboys' bus, a $500,000 luxury vehicle painted in the club's colors, after meeting with Casserly.

Jones drank Dr Pepper while he, Condon and Stephen Jones discussed parameters of a contract.

The deal would have to be creative because Henson was going to have to be compensated like a first-round pick even though he was a sixth-round pick.

"If it's not a traditional contract, then a lot of people in the league don't want to do it," Stephen Jones said. "It's not like there's something hidden under a rock that's going to bite you."
Dallas workout

Bill Parcells didn't want anyone to know Henson was conducting a personal workout for the Cowboys on Feb. 23; he didn't want blaring headlines in the local newspapers or television trucks lined up in the parking lot of the club's Valley Ranch training complex.

"We're having a secret workout on Monday," he told members of the coaching staff a few days prior to the workout. "I'm not telling anyone who it is."

Henson, wearing jeans and a T-shirt, arrived in Dallas from Tampa, Fla., on American Airlines Flight 1209. A team official picked him up, took him to his hotel and then drove him to Al Biernat's, an upscale steakhouse on Oak Lawn where many of the city's power brokers dine.

Al Biernat's would provide privacy for Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones and Parcells as they met with Henson, who had changed into dress slacks and a button-down shirt. In a private room, all but Parcells, who opted for seafood, dined on steak.

"We were trying to get a good feel for whether this guy has the personality and is he the type of person who can handle being the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys," Stephen Jones said.

The dinner lasted about 2½ hours as the most powerful members of the Cowboys' organization tried to sell Henson on their team and their vision.

They also wanted to look into his eyes and make sure his dream of professional baseball had ended.

Once dinner ended, the men shook hands. Parcells and Henson left in the coach's white Lincoln Town Car. Henson learned a lot during the 30-minute drive to his hotel.

"It was interesting," Henson said with a chuckle. "Just to hear him talking let me know he's intense about everything in life – not just about football."

Much of the scouting and coaching staffs – and Troy Aikman, at Jones' request – attended Henson's 20-minute workout the next morning.

When it ended, Jones asked Aikman to speak to Henson. Aikman told Henson about the highs and lows he could expect if he became the starting quarterback for America's Team.

"There's a lot of pressure. You're going to get a lot of recognition," Henson said, recounting Aikman's advice. "There are going to be a lot of eyes on you. They expect great things of you."

After the workout, Henson visited with Parcells. Then he met with Jones for about 20 minutes in the owner's office.

"I'm certainly interested in playing for the Cowboys," Henson said.

"We'll be talking to Tom and Houston," Jones replied. "We're going to be pushing this down the road."

The contract

The Cowboys didn't want to get down to nitty-gritty trade discussions until Stephen Jones had the parameters of a contract in place with Condon because he didn't want to give Henson or the Texans too much power during negotiations.

The Cowboys watched every snap Henson played at Michigan and dissected every throw. Ultimately, they decided Henson was a late first-round or early second-round pick, so Stephen Jones began creating a contract that would pay him that way.

"Once both sides decide they want to get it done," said Stephen Jones, "it doesn't take but five minutes to get a deal done."

The heart of the deal was completed March 12, the day the Cowboys signed former Chargers defensive end Marcellus Wiley.

Stephen Jones spent much of the day on the phone with Condon.

Between conversations, he walked down the short hallway to his father's office to keep him informed about negotiations. Periodically, Parcells poked his head into Jones' office for an update.

"Are we getting close?" the coach asked.

On Friday afternoon, Jerry Jones phoned Casserly and told him Dallas had an agreement with Henson.

"Look, I'm not interested in committing to a conditional adjustment if he does well," Jones said. "How about a four ... I know that's a little different than when we talked."

"If I couldn't do better than that four," Casserly replied, "I'd just let him go back in the draft."

"If that's the case," Jones said, "on a nonconditional basis, I'll go the three."
"We got a deal," Casserly replied.

This speaks volumes ... and it corelates with what I've been saying all along ... Jerry wanted him ... and Bill worked with Jerry ... this took place when Parcells just got here ...

It's insulting to sit here and tell me that it was Bill's idea after reading this ...

IRVING – Every time Cowboys owner Jerry Jones talks about Drew Henson, his mind drifts to champagne showers and Super Bowl trophies.

Every time Jones sees videotape of Henson playing at Michigan, he remembers Troy Aikman as the epicenter of an offensive machine that helped the Cowboys win five consecutive NFC East titles and three Super Bowls to earn the title of Team of the '90s.

Notice the guy who did the initial assesment of Drew Henson ... it wasn't Bill Parcells.

After all, Jones has coveted the 6-5, 233-pound quarterback since he read Cowboys scout Jim Garrett's glowing report after the 2000 season.

After all, who?