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[superpunk]

You're just missing my points all together and spinning anything I post as you would like to.

Just a suggestion.....

 

[illone]

Reading comprehension just isn't your strong suit.

Must be a product of the DC school system.

Good post and excellent insight.

 

[Hostile]

Hostile,

How'd you end up in Tucson and a Cowboys fan?

Displaced like myself? (I'm in Phx btw)

Cowboys fans are all over the world. Same as other teams any more, but the whole reason for the America's Team stuff was the fact that the Cowboys fanbase extended way outside of Texas. I remember when 28% of the NFL merchandise sold in America was Cowboys.

I grew up in New Mexico and Texas. So I got Oilers and Cowboys games every week. The first game I ever saw was the Cowboys lose Super Bowl V to Baltimore. Been hooked on the team ever since.

I moved to Arizona about 17 years ago. There are tons of Cowboys fans in this state though. I've been to games against the Cardinals where 65% of the stadium is wearing blue.

 

[illone]

I moved to Arizona about 17 years ago. There are tons of Cowboys fans in this state though. I've been to games against the Cardinals where 65% of the stadium is wearing blue.

You should head up here and check out the new stadium this season. Week 10 I believe.

 

[DragonCowboy]

Do you really have to ask?

TO, Harrison, Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, Holt, Ward - you know, guys who have been kicking *** and taking names for more than just a year or so.

"but..but...but..Santana is only a TAD worse than TO, so wouldn't Santana be in that tier?...wahhhhhh..."

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

There are tons of Cowboys fans in this state though. I've been to games against the Cardinals where 65% of the stadium is wearing blue.

thats not saying much when there are only 20,000 people in the stadium

 

[DragonCowboy]

thats not saying much when there are only 20,000 people in the stadium

I was thinking more along the lines of 100, but close enough!

 

[Charles]

Anyways, let's just drop that and stick with the initial topic at hand. Receivers.

Yep I hate fluff too

Looking at what Glenn has done in his career he's better right now than Lloyd. I won't argue that at all.

I totally agree.

However, Randle El is better than Crayton.

Totally agree. Randle El excels at his role more than Patrick Crayton does in his role within their respective offenses. We'll see how El fairs going into a new offense.

Let me back track for a second. Looking at your depth chart I would imagine Dallas to be:

Owen 1
Glenn 2
Crayton 3
Cooper 4
Witten TE

Skins 'should' look like this:

Moss 1
Lloyd 2
Randle El 3
Patten 4
Cooley TE

I was with you up until the point where I noticed you've placed Witten TE as our 5th receiving offense. He is not. I believe most Cowboy fans know that our 3rd receiving option (some could even argue 2nd) is Witten.

A simple look into Parcells history would be enlightening. Within our system our primary TE is at worst the 3rd receiving option, therefore any comparison of YOUR teams 2nd or 3rd receiving option that does not include Witten on our side of the equation is a flawed and uneducated comparison.

Neither your 2nd nor 3rd projected WRs excell at their previous roles they way Witten does.

Our top 3 receiving options are Owens, Glenn and Witten, compared to Moss, Lloyd and Randle. Even Stevie Wonder can see that at the top we're better on paper.

Owens is slightly better than Moss,

:laugh1: You've got some balls

Moss is not, has never been and quite frankly will never be on the same level as TO. You need to take off those homer glasses. Owens has been the best WR in the NFC East since the Eagles signed him. He's the only Hall of Fame caliber WR that has played in the NFC East since Michael Irvin retired.

Since 2001 (Moss's rookie year) TO has scored 30 more TDs and has gained almost 2000 more passing yards. Stats don't tell the whole truth so lets look at the player.

TO does not have any limitations, while Moss is severly limited in some facets of the game due to his size.

Terrel has been putting HOF numbers and plays for the past 1/2 decade. Moss has a great season, but one great season doesn't put Moss in the same zip code as TO.

and Glenn is maybe a tick better than Lloyd right now in his career.

I agree

However, Randle El and Patten are head and shoulders above Crayton and Cooper.

Flawed and illogical from the Cowboys point of view. Witten has to be on our side of the equation when making comparison with your 2nd or 3rd receiving options. Comparing him to any option past the 3rd is illogical. Witten performs at a Pro Bowl level none of your receiving options past Moss have sniffed the ballots.

Receiving options are defined by roles within the offense. Witten plays a significant role at a ProBowl level on our team.

Cooley and Witten are a break even.

Break even doing what..............On the field within his role Witten is a ProBowl TE. Cooley is an average yet solid HB. He has never consistently played at ProBowl level within his role. This argument is fools gold.

This is why we rank above you guys on paper.

If you think Witten in our 4th or 5th Receiver then you have a point

This could all change once the season starts but as of right now, today, we're the better overall unit.

The Commanders always have the better units on paper going into the season since Danny boy bought the team.

So whats new???

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

I was thinking more along the lines of 100, but close enough!

yea, I was trying not to over exaggerate, but hey, whats the difference

 

[illone]

Break even doing what..............On the field within his role Witten is a ProBowl TE. Cooley is an average yet solid HB. He has never consistently played at ProBowl level within his role. This argument is fools gold.

The Commanders always have the better units on paper going into the season since Danny boy bought the team.

So whats new???

Why don't you compare their stats before claiming it fools gold?

Seriously, compare them side by side.

 

[superpunk]

Why don't you compare their stats before claiming it fools gold?

Seriously, compare them side by side.

Done and done. Cooley is slightly behind Witten, and he's only gotten it done 1 year.

If that equals "break even".....wait, of course it does.

Also, I feel bad for anyone who takes the time to write a lengthy, well-thought out post to you, to receive a two sentence answer. Even if it IS Charles.

 

[illone]

Done and done. Cooley is slightly behind Witten, and he's only gotten it done 1 year.

If that equals "break even".....wait, of course it does.

Also, I feel bad for anyone who takes the time to write a lengthy, well-thought out post to you, to receive a two sentence answer. Even if it IS Charles.

Maybe you should take back that reading comprehension book you passed me earlier. It appears you need it now, more than ever.

 

[Charles]

Why don't you compare their stats before claiming it fools gold?

Like I mentioned earlier, stats don't tell the whole truth.

Witten is a Pro Bowl TE at his role. Cooley isn't. While their stats and position name might be similar, their roles within their respective offenses are different and Witten excels at a ProBowl level..

Seriously, compare them side by side.

If you chose to elevate Cooley to your 2nd or 3rd primary receiving option within your teams offense then you'll be making an argument on logical ground.

Witten will never be below our 3rd primary option with the make-up of our receiving core and philosphies within a Parcells run team.

 

[Gamebreaker]

A simple look into Parcells history would be enlightening. Within our system our primary TE is at worst the 3rd receiving option, therefore any comparison of YOUR teams 2nd or 3rd receiving option that does not include Witten on our side of the equation is a flawed and uneducated comparison.

Cooley isn't that low on our list of options either. He's really in-between 3rd or 4th.

Our top 3 receiving options are Owens, Glenn and Witten, compared to Moss, Lloyd and Randle. Even Stevie Wonder can see that at the top we're better on paper.

If you want to compare those three, sure. Considering how important that TE position was the Saunders offense in KC, Cooley is more likely as our third option and not Randle EL.

Moss is not, has never been and quite frankly will never be on the same level as TO. You need to take off those homer glasses.

Look who's talking, to say Moss will NEVER be on the same level of T.O. is just being a homer. You don't know the future, don't pretend like you do.

 

[superpunk]

Maybe you should take back that reading comprehension book you passed me earlier. It appears you need it now, more than ever.

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[illone]

You are a funny guy, superpunk. But really, your dumb pictures are lame and serve no purpose for this thread.

I'm not a troll simply because I think my receiving corps is better than yours ON PAPER. I've said countless times that the game is played on the field and has yet to be proven who really is better. Not sure what more you want than that. You continually try to spin things into an argument but there is nothing to argue about. We're better on paper means absolutely nothing to anyone. It's a debate about nothing.

 

[Charles]

Cooley isn't that low on our list of options either. He's really in-between 3rd or 4th.

Well your fellow Commander fan set the parameters. I know Cooley wasn't that low........ever held a ball of yarn in front of a kitten:

If you want to compare those three, sure. Considering how important that TE position was the Saunders offense in KC, Cooley is more likely as our third option and not Randle EL.

I totally agree. So we've got Owens, Glenn and Witten, while you have Moss,Llyod (whichever midget you chose) and Cooley.

Thats 2 Pro Bowl performers to your 1 within their roles. Of course with Glenn having a slight edge over whichever other midget you chose.

p.s. I call then midgets compared to our secondary

Look who's talking, to say Moss will NEVER be on the same level of T.O. is just being a homer. You don't know the future, don't pretend like you do.

Well on paper he's 6636 passing Yards and 73 TDs off the mark. Owens has a 5 year head start. The future isn't that hazy!!!!. In 5 years we'll look back ooops we're talking Commander player

 

[superpunk]

You are a funny guy, superpunk. But really, your dumb pictures are lame and serve no purpose for this thread.

Try making sense. You might find me capable of deeper dialog. Somehow, I doubt you are - capable, that is.....

 

[Hostile]

You should head up here and check out the new stadium this season. Week 10 I believe.

I'll be coming to 2 games up there this year. The Cowboys on November 12th, and the MNF game against the Bears. I can't wait to see it.

 

[illone]

Try making sense. You might find me capable of deeper dialog. Somehow, I doubt you are - capable, that is.....

If you'd pay attention and not get your panties in a twist you might be able to follow along.

I can't type any slower so maybe you should just read my posts two or three times.