CFZ Are the Cowboys totally focused on building a championship team?

[MikeT22]

And what impressed me was the Eagles signing Suh and Joseph mid season to shore up an already deep defensive line and address Injuries. Their GM ain’t playin

One thing I've noticed between Dallas and teams like the Eagles/49ers is we have to use so many 1st round picks on OL and 1st/2nd rounder on LB. The 49ers have a very good OL and only used one first rounder on an OT. Trent Williams is also a former first but SF got him in a trade for a 3rd and 5th.
On defense the 49ers also have two top level LB's, Greenlaw and Warner. They were 3rd and 5th round picks. Their other starting LB was an UDFA.

With a 4-3 defense the DL is the premiere unit. These teams load the DL with first rounders but still have very good LB's because they draft so well and can find them in the middle rounds. Meanwhile Dallas does it backwards, loading up the LB's with first and second rounders. We will use an occasional 2nd rounder on DE and then neglect DT until the 3rd round or day 3.

 

[charron]

Yep

I’m not sure how much closer we are. We were top 4 in NFC this year mainly because previous better teams like LA and GB were down.

But we saw how Phil passed us by in only one season . Will NY pass us by next year. And whoever else might . To be determined .

I Could be wrong but i thought i saw philly have better odds at getting to or winning the sb this year. Cowboys were right behind them.

 

[rambo2]

TBD. they aren't favored to win the division.

They certainly are close.

 

[rambo2]

This was only the 2nd year for their 1st rounder and he was lost for the season early. The 7th round rookie looked better than Dak and his injury isn't career ending lol

Yep, but they are question marks and could be a complete disaster in 2023.

 

[Rockport]

Do you not understand what winning his way means ?

Jethro’s way means not hiring a GM and normal front office like 30 other NFL teams . He believes he is the best option for the success of Cowboys Football even though he said he’d of fired a GM with his record this era. That was disclosed in an interview with Bob Costas .

And He said that staying relevant and interesting is the initial priority. I looked for a quote to attach but could only find it on the Dallas News publication which isn’t allowed on this site.

That’s what I said; he wants to win his way but his way hasn’t worked since the early 90’s. And I don’t think he ever said that staying relevant was the priority. I don’t like it when posters just throw **** out there hoping it sticks. The majority of folks here are too lazy to seek the truth and will believe it. So they repeat it then other knuckleheads repeat it and it gets out of control like this narrative has partly due to you.

 

[removed_20241105]

Believe what you will . That’s certainly not what most think.

It was pretty evident when he wanted to keep Moore when he hired MM. and the fact he continues starting Elliot when Pollard was by far more productive .

Bingo. Probably the two best examples but probably not the only ones. His comments about Dak using his feet more and his endless comments and actions on Dan Quinn probably also suggest he’s into the coaches business more than he should. He literally said Dan Quinn is HC material for this team.

 

[removed_20241105]

It’s now almost a cliche that Jerry wants to win more than anything or very badly or whatever. he doesn’t. There are too many actions of his to cite that refute his/those words.

 

[gtb1943]

Just asking this question shows you are not an inhabitant of the real world.

 

[Diehardblues]

That’s what I said; he wants to win his way but his way hasn’t worked since the early 90’s. And I don’t think he ever said that staying relevant was the priority. I don’t like it when posters just throw **** out there hoping it sticks. The majority of folks here are too lazy to seek the truth and will believe it. So they repeat it then other knuckleheads repeat it and it gets out of control like this narrative has partly due to you.

The context is pertinent to grasping the message. When he said “ relative and interesting “ were the initial priority it’s important how we interpret.

And that’s the narrative I’ve presented . My interpretation is he was referring to keeping the fans embraced.

Keeping the team interesting and relative is paramount in order to hype and promote your brand which he does so well. That doesn’t mean his priorities end there.

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

Jerry is rolling the dice that one day his "calculated moves" will win a SB so he can gloat about how great he is and his outstanding football mind. He'll also announce thar Jimmy will never get in the ROH.

 

[MikeT22]

Yep, but they are question marks and could be a complete disaster in 2023.

So could anyone

 

[kskboys]

Trying to build a championship team but not knowing how to isnt a sign that a person doesnt care to build a contender

Stephen is building this team not Jerry and imo stephen has no clue what hes doing

It amazes me that fans think Jerry who would go out there sign whoever would be so timid to sign any help...it aint jerry running this show

Knowing you suck at it but insisting on doing it anyway is an even clearer sign that he doesn't care to build a contender.

 

[DandyDon52]

So I wonder at times did the fans and media help make Jerry the way he is. Did the success of Jimmy and the 2 SB's, then Switzer with the 3rd SB create the way Jerry is.
Here is what I mean.

Jimmy built a great team as we know. With the help of the Walker ad Walsh trades. Which there is a debate as to who orchestrated that Walker trade. Jimmy said he did, Jerry said it was his idea.
Anyway they, together go and win 2 SB's. As Jerry had no issue getting players Jimmy wanted or needed, just as the trade for Haley. Also, who's idea was that.

Then the rift, Jimmy wanted to leave, and pushed Jerry's buttons. But I do believe if not for that unfortunate incident, Jimmy would have been here a few years longer. Bad timing for Jerry to walk into that table. So Jerry makes his comment, and in comes Switzer. They get screwed in the 3rd straight NFCCG, then win the SB the following year.
Jerry, in his world, won without Jimmy.

However,
The fans and media, and even some players comments, basically said, it was still Jimmy's team, and was so good they didn't need a HC, as supposedly Switzer was just in cruise control. I believe Aikman made similar comments after Barry was gone. Jerry probably did not like that.

So by Jerry hearing this for a long time, decided he was going to do it his way, and get credit. The thing is it has been 28 years, so even if they win, no one is going to say it was all Jerry, no one will care.
It is like holding a 28 year grudge of some kid bigger tripping one while in 2nd grade. Who cares at this point who gets the credit, it has been way too long of the same mess.

Though I still say it is more like 15 to 20 years, but 10 wasted with Garrett. As when the team was no longer, fans must realize you just can't simply replace the triplets, and still be competitive. There was a rebuild time involved.

Walker trade. Jimmy said he did, Jerry said it was his idea...........Jimmy had full control over personnel so common sense would say it was jimmys idea
and he was the one that made that deal and the haley deal. This was the biggest trade in nfl history so naturally jerry would say it was him lol.

Who cares at this point who gets the credit, it has been way too long of the same mess......yes I said this recently, and no one cares, except jerry and his boy.
The reason is because they are blind to the last 28 years, and dont see themselves as being at fault for anything.
They always blame someone else, then fire them.

 

[DandyDon52]

Knowing you suck at it but insisting on doing it anyway is an even clearer sign that he doesn't care to build a contender.

he doesnt know that though, he ignores all that and sees what he wants to see, and thinks what he wants.
In his mind he has done a good job, just had some bad breaks, and other people let him down.

Jerry wants to win and build a SB contender, he just isnt smart enough to do it.
It is his toy, and he will play with it how he wants to.

Dont forget,he and his boy have fun doing it each year, and each year is fun and exciting for them, and they actually believe
most years are potential SB years.
Jerry thinks if you get in the playoffs you can win the SB, so every time they get in he thinks it is about to happen.

Which shows jerry doesnt understand the playoffs at all, or being strong at end of season, the value of top seed etc.
So he truly believes in a bunch of flawed stuff.

He probably thought his team was good enough last year so why add and big price FA?

He just cant see these things, so he isnt going to do things to correct problems he cant even see.
But he does want to win, just isnt smart enough and cant see things the way he should.

 

[kskboys]

he doesnt know that though, he ignores all that and sees what he wants to see, and thinks what he wants.
In his mind he has done a good job, just had some bad breaks, and other people let him down.

Jerry wants to win and build a SB contender, he just isnt smart enough to do it.
It is his toy, and he will play with it how he wants to.

Dont forget,he and his boy have fun doing it each year, and each year is fun and exciting for them, and they actually believe
most years are potential SB years.
Jerry thinks if you get in the playoffs you can win the SB, so every time they get in he thinks it is about to happen.

Which shows jerry doesnt understand the playoffs at all, or being strong at end of season, the value of top seed etc.
So he truly believes in a bunch of flawed stuff.

He probably thought his team was good enough last year so why add and big price FA?

He just cant see these things, so he isnt going to do things to correct problems he cant even see.
But he does want to win, just isnt smart enough and cant see things the way he should.

Not really. He has declared that he'd have been fired by any other club. He knows he sucks.

 

[Rockport]

The context is pertinent to grasping the message. When he said “ relative and interesting “ were the initial priority it’s important how we interpret.

And that’s the narrative I’ve presented . My interpretation is he was referring to keeping the fans embraced.

Keeping the team interesting and relative is paramount in order to hype and promote your brand which he does so well. That doesn’t mean his priorities end there.

You’re backtracking. Your quote was “He’s also stated that remaining interesting and relevant IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR .”

 

[Beast_from_East]

Our owner has made some very candid public outburst in recent weeks which has supported my opinions this era on his priorities.

This is what I’ve always appreciated about our dysfunctional ownership and front office. In order to appeal to fans criticism and the hounding from media he often displays his honest feelings.

In the past he’s said he’d doing everything within his power to win and no one wants to win more than him but he’s unwilling to make any changes at the top even after admitting he’d of fired a GM with his record this era. Basically this means he only wants to win his way.

He’s also stated that remaining interesting and relative is the most important factor in order to maintain the record revenue hyping and promoting our iconic brand.

More recently he’s stated that going All In isn’t worth the risk as it could lead to lean years needing more of an overall rebuild.

The reason I bring this up is I think it’s time we adjust our expectations here. If our owner isn’t willing to make the decisions and moves to build more than an entertainment entity which simply maintains interest and relativity why are we beating our heads trying to figure out how to build a championship team or critiquing them for not building more than they have.

I’m not sure that’s a core priority anymore. Sure, if we stumbled onto another Super Bowl they’d be ecstatic and more than happy to take credit.

I think they are content with this level of success as it continues driving their record revenue enabling the celebrity status he’s pursued. At age 80 he still seems determined to stay the course of status quo regardless whether he’s delegated some responsibility or not.

He’s still intent on being the face of the franchise and where the buck stops . And the meddling with coaching decisions and players contracts persist which all too often influence the atmosphere , culture and potentially the strategic football mentality.

Until we can move on from these unfortunate priorities and distractions it’s very difficult for me to take this football franchise very serious. It’s become more of a sports entertainment venture which I believe is the core intention in order to prevent more serious pressure from the fans and media. Any success beyond that is purely coincidental or sheer chance.

“It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit.”.......................Harry Truman

The problem is the Jerry cares, he cares about who gets the credit more than anything else in the world.

 

[DandyDon52]

Not really. He has declared that he'd have been fired by any other club. He knows he sucks.

he said he would have fired himself, and he was refering to years like the campo years, and possibly the 8-8 JG years.
no way he was referring to 2014 up.
And he is going to ignore that, because this is what he enjoys doing, and he is addicted to it.
Aside from stacking gold, this is his only interest in life.

 

[Diehardblues]

You’re backtracking. Your quote was “He’s also stated that remaining interesting and relevant IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR .”

Here is my words in OP. You didn’t complete my entire sentence . Context is critical .

“He’s also stated that remaining interesting and relative is the most important factor in order to maintain the record revenue”.

This is my narrative that maintaining the record revenue is the initial priority.

I’ve always argued that the record revenue enables him to continue his ways without more success on the field despite the criticism.

 

[Diehardblues]

“It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit.”.......................Harry Truman

The problem is the Jerry cares, he cares about who gets the credit more than anything else in the world.

Right

Not only is he seeking the credit he wants to be the face of the franchise.

Jimmy received the credit and he became the face of the franchise. And that isn’t what Jethro had in mind . Even if it meant winning championships.

Head coaches are expected to have HUGE egos but not GM’s or even owners who mainly stay in the background.

This isn’t why he became an owner. His purpose was to be a football celebrity guy.