CFZ Are the Cowboys totally focused on building a championship team?

[Big_D]

The concept that Jerry does not care about winning is comical.

If he could buy a SB win, he would do it.

Jerry operated in wildcat mode from 1996 to 2013 with moves like 2 first round picks for Joey Galloway.

In 2014 his son Stephen "Cap Boy" Jones started taking over control of football operations and SJ promoted McClay to the top talent evalation job.

SJ convinced Jerry that the Patriots model of team building was to limit spending on free agents and focus on developing draft picks.
- That might or might not be completely correct, but it's what SJ has said many times on the weekly local sports talking radio interviews that he does during the season and occasionally in the off-season.
- Now SJ has everyone (McClay, coaches, scouts, etc.) unified to convery the same unified message to Jerry.

• In order to keep Jerry from interferring, SJ has implemented his plan slowly.
  • Clean up the cap.
  • Improve their drafting process (find a balance between empowing the scouting dept. and empowering coaches in the draft decisions).
  • Get rid of Garrett.
  • Hire a legit NFL Head Coach.
  • Hire legit assistant coaches.
  • Now in 2023 the next step has been to further empower McCarthy/Quinn to get more of "their guys" on the coaching staff.

The biggest stumble for SJ was over-empowering Marinelli in the talent acquisition process.
- SJ wanted to rectify the 2013 fail by McClay's predecessor when the scouting dept. didn't consult the coaching staff on the draft board.
- i.e. The Sharrif Floyd fiasco where they got lucky and ended up with Travis Frederick but the process was a huge fail.
- Based on interviews of Will McClay, he said directly that the scouting dept. and the coaching staff are in much better harmony since McCarthy and Quinn arrived.


The last thing that we as fans should want is for Jerry to go back to his wildcatting methods.

So the fact that Jerry made moronic decisions on a regular basis shows how bad he wants to win? That in itself is comical. Even more comical that fans still buy it. He's a dud and how bad he wants to win is irrelevant at this point. The fact is he can't buy a Super Bowl or build one. Whatever direction he decides will be the wrong one. lol

 

[Rockport]

No, they’re not one in the same.

Maintaining relevance and interest are to keep the revenue rolling. As long as that’s in tact he doesn't have to change his ways.

Yes, he wants to win more than anything but not enough to get totally out of the way and hire a GM.

Who are you saying said “..wasn’t required “? From your quote.

Fielding a competitive team with a core of stars provides a viable product to hype and sell under their iconic label. More success is welcome but isn’t needed or required.

 

[Diehardblues]

Its empty because he sucks at it.

But the claim that Jones doesnt care about winning is laughable.

Who is saying he doesn’t care about winning ?

But only his way. Not sure why everyone can’t see the difference.

If he sucks at it and not willing to step down then he’s not doing everything in his power to win.

 

[MikeT22]

Jones wants to win more than anyone.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I’m not saying he doesn’t want to win. Just not bad enough to get out of the way. I’m not sure why this isn’t clear.

His initial priorities of generating revenue only places him in a position where the threat of loss revenue might force him to step down.

With no threat to his revenue all he has to do is try and at least keep a competitive team which he can hype and promote while he’s still desperately trying to build a winner.

None of that changes the fact that Jerry wants to win more than anyone. Its not about him getting out of the way, its about him thinking he knows what he is doing. Jerry is delusional. He actually thinks hes a football guy. He isn't.

Jerry would actually have to admit he was bad at being a GM for him to step out of the way and he doesnt believe that.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Who is saying he doesn’t care about winning ?

But only his way. Not sure why everyone can’t see the difference.

If he sucks at it and not willing to step down then he’s not doing everything in his power to win.

You did. Point blank you said it. Specifically you said he doesnt care enough to get out of the way. Which is false.

He wont get out of the way because he thinks he is good at it. He would have to admit he sucks at it to get out and he doesnt agree with that.

 

[Big_D]

Its empty because he sucks at it.

But the claim that Jones doesnt care about winning is laughable.

LOL so you rather play this catch 22 for another 30 years? He know's he sucks at it and does nothing. That is not someone who cares about winning. That's someone who cares about his comfortable position in the organization. How many players need to be wasted? Guys who could've retired with a ring instead have to go elsewhere looking for one. If you sucked at your job, then it wouldn't matter how good you "wanted" to be. It's complete crap.

 

[Diehardblues]

Who are you saying said “..wasn’t required “? From your quote.

Fielding a competitive team with a core of stars provides a viable product to hype and sell under their iconic label. More success is welcome but isn’t needed or required.

Right

All of the brilliant revolutionary revenue streams has allowed Jethro to stay in control despite his lack of success on the field.

Threat to the revenue is the only possibility of Jethro either stepping down or making wholesale changes.

The revenue success allows him the time to continue trying to build a winner without a fallout from the fans.

 

[CowboyRoy]

LOL so you rather play this catch 22 for another 30 years? He know's he sucks at it and does nothing. That is not someone who cares about winning. That's someone who cares about his comfortable position in the organization. How many players need to be wasted? Guys who could've retired with a ring instead have to go elsewhere looking for one. If you sucked at your job, then it wouldn't matter how good you "wanted" to be. It's complete crap.

Catch 22? Those are your words.

No...............He thinks he good at it, therefore would never step aside. You think Jerry is capable of admitting he isnt a good GM? His ego simply cant allow him to think that way.

He wants to win more than anyone. He just sucks at is job. And is too delusional and egotistical to admit he needs a real GM and should stop aside.

 

[Diehardblues]

You did. Point blank you said it. Specifically you said he doesnt care enough to get out of the way. Which is false.

He wont get out of the way because he thinks he is good at it. He would have to admit he sucks at it to get out and he doesnt agree with that.

He admitted he’d of fired a GM with his record.

If he doesn’t see he’s a problem then that’s even a bigger problem. I don’t believe he’s that much of an idiot.

I don’t believe he’s interested in owning a team if he’s isn’t the football guy regardless if he could hire someone better.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Right

All of the brilliant revolutionary revenue streams has allowed Jethro to stay in control despite his lack of success on the field.

Threat to the revenue is the only possibility of Jethro either stepping down or making wholesale changes.

The revenue success allows him the time to continue trying to build a winner without a fallout from the fans.

Jerry has all the money in the world buddy. Money has been down on his list for a while now. He brags about the worth because it all he can brag about. But I have no doubt Jerry would trade any sums of money for another title before he died.

Your premise about Jerry sucking and being the problem is all well founded. But this angle that he doesnt care enough about winning is just plain garbage. Its false. Way off.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He admitted he’d of fired a GM with his record.

If he doesn’t see he’s a problem then that’s even a bigger problem. I don’t believe he’s that much of an idiot.

I don’t believe he’s interested in owning a team if he’s isn’t the football guy regardless if he could hire someone better.

He admitted he’d of fired a GM with his record.

If he doesn’t see he’s a problem then that’s even a bigger problem. I don’t believe he’s that much of an idiot.

I don’t believe he’s interested in owning a team if he’s isn’t the football guy regardless if he could hire someone better.

All very accurate statements. Its just your claim that he doesnt care enough about winning is wrong. He wants to win more than anyone. He just wants to do it his way with himself in charge.

He honstly thinks hes a football guy.

 

[Big_D]

Catch 22? Those are your words.

No...............He thinks he good at it, therefore would never step aside. You think Jerry is capable of admitting he isnt a good GM? His ego simply cant allow him to think that way.

He wants to win more than anyone. He just sucks at is job. And is too delusional and egotistical to admit he needs a real GM and should stop aside.

He's already admitted it. Said he would've been fired years ago. He's too delusional to be a good GM and even more delusional to think how 'bad' he wants to win carries any weight at all. It means nothing.

 

[JoeKing]

Our owner has made some very candid public outburst in recent weeks which has supported my opinions this era on his priorities.

This is what I’ve always appreciated about our dysfunctional ownership and front office. In order to appeal to fans criticism and the hounding from media he often displays his honest feelings.

In the past he’s said he’d doing everything within his power to win and no one wants to win more than him but he’s unwilling to make any changes at the top even after admitting he’d of fired a GM with his record this era. Basically this means he only wants to win his way.

He’s also stated that remaining interesting and relative is the most important factor in order to maintain the record revenue hyping and promoting our iconic brand.

More recently he’s stated that going All In isn’t worth the risk as it could lead to lean years needing more of an overall rebuild.

The reason I bring this up is I think it’s time we adjust our expectations here. If our owner isn’t willing to make the decisions and moves to build more than an entertainment entity which simply maintains interest and relativity why are we beating our heads trying to figure out how to build a championship team or critiquing them for not building more than they have.

I’m not sure that’s a core priority anymore. Sure, if we stumbled onto another Super Bowl they’d be ecstatic and more than happy to take credit.

I think they are content with this level of success as it continues driving their record revenue enabling the celebrity status he’s pursued. At age 80 he still seems determined to stay the course of status quo regardless whether he’s delegated some responsibility or not.

He’s still intent on being the face of the franchise and where the buck stops . And the meddling with coaching decisions and players contracts persist which all too often influence the atmosphere , culture and potentially the strategic football mentality.

Until we can move on from these unfortunate priorities and distractions it’s very difficult for me to take this football franchise very serious. It’s become more of a sports entertainment venture which I believe is the core intention in order to prevent more serious pressure from the fans and media. Any success beyond that is purely coincidental or sheer chance.

Of course the Cowboys aren't totally focused on building a championship team. They have their hands in too many other fires that have nothing to do with championship football.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He's already admitted it. Said he would've been fired years ago. He's too delusional to be a good GM and even more delusional to think how 'bad' he wants to win carries any weight at all. It means nothing.

Who said it mean something?

Jerrys words mean nothing. However any claim that he doesnt want to win is false.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Of course the Cowboys aren't totally focused on building a championship team. They have their hands in too many other fires that have nothing to do with championship football.

Its Jerry that isnt totally focused. Jerry is the problem. He is a part time GM playing at a full time job and is horrible at it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He admitted he’d of fired a GM with his record.

If he doesn’t see he’s a problem then that’s even a bigger problem. I don’t believe he’s that much of an idiot.

I don’t believe he’s interested in owning a team if he’s isn’t the football guy regardless if he could hire someone better.

Jerry has admitted a lot of things. Like the way he treated Jimmy. But he still hasnt done anything about it. He tells you what you want to hear. But deep down inside Jerry thinks he can win it with him as GM. None of that changes the fact that he wants to win more than anyone. Just cant put aside the ego and hire a real GM.

 

[Diehardblues]

Catch 22? Those are your words.

No...............He thinks he good at it, therefore would never step aside. You think Jerry is capable of admitting he isnt a good GM? His ego simply cant allow him to think that way.

He wants to win more than anyone. He just sucks at is job. And is too delusional and egotistical to admit he needs a real GM and should stop aside.

Since he’s already admitted he’d of fired a GM with his record , I’d argue his Ego is so big that he’d rather struggle building a winner than hiring someone better.

I’m not sure he’d allow anyone else to be the face of the Cowboys. He tried it with Jimmy and didn’t like it. It’s his baby for better or worse.

He’s told us over and over in so many words. I’m not sure why fans don’t believe him. That’s all ego not stupidity.

 

[Big_D]

Who said it mean something?

Jerrys words mean nothing. However any claim that he doesnt want to win is false.

Then his actions would reflect that. He's proven it true beyond a shadow of a doubt. This is not something you just string along decade after decade.

 

[Diehardblues]

Jerry has admitted a lot of things. Like the way he treated Jimmy. But he still hasnt done anything about it. He tells you what you want to hear. But deep down inside Jerry thinks he can win it with him as GM. None of that changes the fact that he wants to win more than anyone. Just cant put aside the ego and hire a real GM.

Sure , he wants to win but only his way. That’s not doing everything within your power to win.

And the record revenue allows him to continue without that pressure . It’s why he set all of the brilliant revenue mechanisms in place so a loss or lack of revenue wouldn’t deter him from his ways.

And why maintaining a relevant and interesting product is the initial priority in order to hype and promote his iconic brand while he continues to try and build a winner.