Are we a better team with Dak or Rush?

[Diehardblues]

Lmao. There was never a debate. Ever. Internet and people in the media wanting views and clicks doesn't mean there was actually a legit debate. Rush isn't anywhere close to Dak. It's not even worth talking about.

Right

But we all know there is a very small vocal segment in this forum which doesn’t represent Cowboys Nation. But occasionally I feel the need to call them out. Lol

 

[BoysForLife]

Better yet an indication of the agendas by some fans here. I’d argue most of Cowboys Nation doesn’t believe there is a debate.

And yet you felt the need to start this thread and have this discussion, even though "there isn't a discussion to be had". Interesting.

Guy got booed off the field week 1 vs Tampa
A few people were literally throwing trash on him.

Was the stadium just full of "agenda driven" people that day?

 

[Blackspider214]

Right

But we all know there is a very small vocal segment in this forum which doesn’t represent Cowboys Nation. But occasionally I feel the need to call them out. Lol

Lol I hear ya. Anyone who watched those games, knew it wasn't Rush winning. Defense played awesome in that stretch. Rush had us in the bottom of the league in offense. He was opportunistic at best. Can you win like that? You can but it's not ideal and you are dependent on so much else to go right. Rush is not a guy who can overcome his own mistakes. See the Eagles game. Rush needs every thing to go 100% right for him to win and not asked to score many points.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Thank you for proving my point. Everyone of these QB's you have listed was a first round pick except Foles who was drafted in the 3rd round to be a backup QB..

Face it dude. Dak is a 4th round QB. That is all he is ever going to be. This is his year, there are no more excuses, this team cant be anymore Dak friendly. IMO if he cant get us to at least to the superbowl this season then his history will be just like the rest of the QB's Dallas has had since Akiman which are pretty much all considered a bust. Contract or no contract if Dak falls short it's time to cut him loose and draft a QB in the 1st round this upcoming draft

SMH. Brady was a 6th round QB. Wilson was a 3rd round QB. and the list goes on...by the same token Leaf was 2nd over all pick. Turbiskey was a 2nd over all pick. Allen was the 4th QB drafted in the first round in his draft year.

if what round you were selected was an indicator, then how do you explain all the total failures of QBs in the first round? some who no longer are in the league.

this stupid narrative he is a 4th roudn pick and will always play like a 4th round pick is just plain stupidity...zero logic

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The Cowboys are 4-1 with Rush.
The Cowboys are 6-2 with Dak.
Except for a couple of strange turn-arounds vs the Lions and Texans at the goal line, the Cowboys would be 4-4 with Dak. The defense has bailed him out on occasion with great play after interceptions. The run game has propelled the Cowboys offense since mid season.
You make the call.

so what about the Rams game when defense scored 6 points. gave the ball to offense inside the redzone for a field goal...you don't count those? and the other games with the multiple turnovers and yes, goal line stands...it doesn't count?

simply put. the offenses job is to score....we score more with Dak than Rush....in the games Rush won barely, would probably be blowouts if Dak played. its that simple.

but its funny, when Dak supporters explain something, its called an excuse, but here you are making excuses the other way!!!

go figure.

no, the call is easy. Dak over rush 1100% of the time.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No a QB is not going to take you to the Superbowl by himself, but you're also not going to get there without a great QB either. That is why the Cowboys have not been there in over a quarter of a century because they as a team has not invested in the QB position. Undrafted QB's like Romo and 4th round hopefuls are not going to get us there. If you haven't figure that out after 27 years then I can't help you.....

so in your half arsed opinion, Nick foles was a great QB, Garpolo is a great QB, Jared Goff is a great QB, Rex gross man was a great QB, Matt Hasselbeck was a great QB, McNabb was a great QB, Delhome was a Great QB, Gannon was a great QB, Collins and Dilfer were great QBs...

and lets kick Dak to the curb. who you got? tell me how you replace him. who is this great QB you have in mind leading the cowboys to a superbowl. please do tell us...we are genuinely interested. lets play some fantasy football

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Better overall team with Rush.

More passing yards and turnovers with Dak.

smh? more passing yards!!! Rush averaged 183 yards passing per game. had 4 interceptions in 5 games.

Dak is averaging 213 passing yards per game. and 10 interceptions in 8 games

the scoring is way up, and teams now respect the passing game and as a results we are also averaging more rushing yards..with rush we averaged 128 yards per game, with Dak team averages 148 yards rushing.

the offenses job is to score more points. produce more yards. we are doing both of that. so how is this team better off with rush? makes zero sense.

and this is not about Dak being elite, not elite, good, etc....this is simply Dak is 100% a better QB than Rush and the team is better with him.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

NOT A BETTER TEAM BUT RUSH IS CLEARLY THE BETTER PASSER OF THE TWO, his passes are more of what a NORMAL POCKET PASSER should be, much better delivery and anticipation! Also isn't scared to go down the field on a big pass

his passing yards is lower. his completion percentage is lower. his interception percentage is higher. his TD percentage is lower. so how is he better passer? Cooper rush had trouble getting the ball 15 ards passed the LOS. one some of his sideline throws after he threw the ball, I would go to the fridge to make a sandwhich, realize I am out of bread, run to the store, get bread, forgot about mustard and run back inside and get mustard, come home make the sandwich take a couple fo bites, get back to my seat, realize I forgot the beer, go to the fridge get the beer sit back down and still observe his pass being knocked down by the defender...I mean come on dude

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Absolutely not. I’m not a GM, but I do know that Dak is a massive minus next year when he’s using up 50 million of our Cap…I’m not sure why you don’t really understand that… Oh well

so you are disqualifying dak this year, because of the contract value next year, when next year hasn't happened yet.....

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

smh? more passing yards!!! Rush averaged 183 yards passing per game. had 4 interceptions in 5 games.

Dak is averaging 213 passing yards per game. and 10 interceptions in 8 games

the scoring is way up, and teams now respect the passing game and as a results we are also averaging more rushing yards..with rush we averaged 128 yards per game, with Dak team averages 148 yards rushing.

the offenses job is to score more points. produce more yards. we are doing both of that. so how is this team better off with rush? makes zero sense.

and this is not about Dak being elite, not elite, good, etc....this is simply Dak is 100% a better QB than Rush and the team is better with him.

I'm failing to see where you're against me here.

I acknowledged that with Dak we have more passing yards and more turnovers.

Thanks for providing stats to back that up for me.

 

[kskboys]

SMH. Brady was a 6th round QB. Wilson was a 3rd round QB. and the list goes on...by the same token Leaf was 2nd over all pick. Turbiskey was a 2nd over all pick. Allen was the 4th QB drafted in the first round in his draft year.

if what round you were selected was an indicator, then how do you explain all the total failures of QBs in the first round? some who no longer are in the league.

this stupid narrative he is a 4th roudn pick and will always play like a 4th round pick is just plain stupidity...zero logic

After the draft, it doesn't matter any more where you were picked.

 

[cnuball21]

After the draft, it doesn't matter any more where you were picked.

Ding Ding Ding.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I'm failing to see where you're against me here.

I acknowledged that with Dak we have more passing yards and more turnovers.

Thanks for providing stats to back that up for me.

I fail to see your reasoning that we are a better over all team with rush...given offense is better with Dak....job of an offense is to score more. produce more. both happens under Dak...so how are we better over all when Rush produces less?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

After the draft, it doesn't matter any more where you were picked.

that's my point about stupidity of the comment I responded to...sheer idiocy

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I fail to see your reasoning that we are a better over all team with rush...given offense is better with Dak....job of an offense is to score more. produce more. both happens under Dak...so how are we better over all when Rush produces less?

The offense in terms of passing yardage and PPG is better, but the defense is suffering.

The defense is getting worn down from the offensive turnovers now. It's not a coincidence that the defense all of a sudden is playing worse now.

Hence why I said the team overall was better with Rush.

 

[leeblair]

What is the offense ranked with Dak and without? Hint. It’s answered for you by op.

So, offensive ranking is more important than wins to you?

 

[Typhus]

Isn’t it interesting we aren’t seeing them anymore. What happened?

Because the question is irrelevant.
Rush is not going to see the field unless Dak gets hurt, that should be obvious to everyone.
If peeps want to argue back and forth on who would be performing better than that is strictly based off of personal opinion and preference but that has no claim on reality.

 

[cnuball21]

The offense in terms of passing yardage and PPG is better, but the defense is suffering.

The defense is getting worn down from the offensive turnovers now. It's not a coincidence that the defense all of a sudden is playing worse now.

Hence why I said the team overall was better with Rush.

Defense is “suffering”? Goodness gracious dude…we’re 3rd in the league in PPG allowed.

 

[Typhus]

Right

But we all know there is a very small vocal segment in this forum which doesn’t represent Cowboys Nation. But occasionally I feel the need to call them out. Lol

I would say a large portion of your posts are spent doing so...

 

[leeblair]

Only using wins and losses as a measurement doesn’t tell the whole story.

If fans want to believe a bottom tier offense provides us a better opportunity than a top 10 offense to make some noise in the playoffs they are welcome to present that argument

Stats don't tell the entire story.
Personally, I am behind Dak now because he's finally taken responsibility for his poor play at times, and I hope he will now improve.
But the offense under Rush was better, and the real fuel for the offense - the run game- was just getting going as DaK took over.
But it never ceases to amaze me how some of you feel so threatened by Rush that you are terrified to admit that he kept the offense clean and crisp, whereas Dak has struggled.
If the defense and the run game wasn't bailing Dak out, he would probably have a losing record.