Are we a better team with Dak or Rush?

[doomsday9084]

Win percentage:
Rush 80%
Dak 75%

Overall, I think that Dak is clearly the better QB. There are throws that Rush just can't make. I suspect if he had played more, opponents would have started dialing in their defenses to ignore throws which require arm strength and Rush's production would have gotten worse and worse. Rush is a back up and nothing more.

That said, Dak has a clear issue recently with turnovers. I have seen excuse after excuse for why its everyone else's fault but its to the point where both Dak and Jerry are commenting on it. At this point, if you are excusing Dak you are disagreeing with even Dak. If you throw into bad situations over and over and over bad things are going to happen. Rush only turned the ball over against Philly and it cost the team the game.

Overall, Dak >>> Rush but when its 2 INT Dak vs play it conservative Rush, the gap isn't nearly as big.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

and the defense found it easier to carry Rush, dak is just too much to carry.

Having to try and overcome all those turnovers from Dak has to be tiring.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Having to try and overcome all those turnovers from Dak has to be tiring.

it's worn-down parsons. he's now just a talker.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

it's worn-down parsons. he's now just a talker.

He's finally becoming a true modern day Dallas Cowboy.

 

[Cowboys1966]

Yeah man. I get it. That’s the market value of a starting QB. Even decent starting QBs get a lot of money and replacing them with another decent one is not easy imo. So when someone says something like we could use that money to make our team better I’d genuinely like to know the plan.

I don’t think it’s a well thought out opinion and it’s shared by many who’ve I’ve also asked. I’m genuinely willing to listen with an open mind to a good plan and that’s why I ask, but I never really get an answer.

You’re a little bit off on what you think the market value is for a starting QB. The largest cap hit in 2022 is currently 38.6m.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/quarterback/

I’m not going to bother going through potential free agent list this early… a lot of the top guys will be re-signed by their current team and will never hit free agency. Plus unless you’re on the coaching staff or front office you really don’t fully understand how any given players skill set will fit in with your system. But I can say with absolute certainty that adding $50 million worth of cap space will result in a much stronger roster.

For 2023 Dak’s projected cap hit it is second, behind only Deshaun Watson.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2023/cap-hit/quarterback/

 

[cnuball21]

No a QB is not going to take you to the Superbowl by himself, but you're also not going to get there without a great QB either. That is why the Cowboys have not been there in over a quarter of a century because they as a team has not invested in the QB position. Undrafted QB's like Romo and 4th round hopefuls are not going to get us there. If you haven't figure that out after 27 years then I can't help you.....

When you say great do you mean elite?

If so, I don’t think so. Stafford just won one. Foles won one. Big Bens first super bowl he was terrible. Flacco. Eli.

Mahomes, Allen and Burrow don’t grow on trees. Those dudes are rare. If you don’t have 1 of those 3 humans on your team you’re going to have to build a playoff caliber team around your QB. And even those dudes have needed help.

 

[kskboys]

When you say great do you mean elite?

If so, I don’t think so. Stafford just won one. Foles won one. Big Bens first super bowl he was terrible. Flacco. Eli.

Mahomes, Allen and Burrow don’t grow on trees. Those dudes are rare. If you don’t have 1 of those 3 humans on your team you’re going to have to build a playoff caliber team around your QB. And even those dudes have needed help.

Winning a super bowl w/o disruptive DT's is pretty much also impossible.

And as you said, several QBs have won super bowls who were far from great. All those you named were not great QBs.

Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Jim Plunkett, Phil Simms, Jim McMahan.

 

[Diehardblues]

We actually still have fans who believe a 27th ranked offense with Rush is a better team than a top 10 offense with Prescott.

Can’t imagine any reasonable Cowboy fans who dont believe a top10 defense and offense presents a much more formidable balanced attack heading to the playoffs. But I suppose they can’t abort their agendas now.

 

[Diehardblues]

When you say great do you mean elite?

If so, I don’t think so. Stafford just won one. Foles won one. Big Bens first super bowl he was terrible. Flacco. Eli.

Mahomes, Allen and Burrow don’t grow on trees. Those dudes are rare. If you don’t have 1 of those 3 humans on your team you’re going to have to build a playoff caliber team around your QB. And even those dudes have needed help.

Right

Prescott is not Elite. He’s in that next group of average to above average . Which most teams have to build around .

 

[cnuball21]

Winning a super bowl w/o disruptive DT's is pretty much also impossible.

And as you said, several QBs have won super bowls who were far from great. All those you named were not great QBs.

Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Jim Plunkett, Phil Simms, Jim McMahan.

I’ve always been a big proponent of controlling the LOS.

If you’ve got a great OL and great DL chances are your offense and defense will at least be competitive.

Our FO has been heavily invested in the OL, but unfortunately have ignored impact talent at the DT position for about 20 years now.

 

[cnuball21]

Right

Prescott is not Elite. He’s in that next group of average to above average . Which most teams have to build around .

Correct. Almost every metric out there indicates an above average QB. Top 10ish.

In order for us to win a super bowl we need to continue to build. I’m also perfectly fine throwing darts at the QB position in the draft while we do it as well.

 

[Bing]

When you say great do you mean elite?

If so, I don’t think so. Stafford just won one. Foles won one. Big Bens first super bowl he was terrible. Flacco. Eli.

Mahomes, Allen and Burrow don’t grow on trees. Those dudes are rare. If you don’t have 1 of those 3 humans on your team you’re going to have to build a playoff caliber team around your QB. And even those dudes have needed help.

Thank you for proving my point. Everyone of these QB's you have listed was a first round pick except Foles who was drafted in the 3rd round to be a backup QB..

Face it dude. Dak is a 4th round QB. That is all he is ever going to be. This is his year, there are no more excuses, this team cant be anymore Dak friendly. IMO if he cant get us to at least to the superbowl this season then his history will be just like the rest of the QB's Dallas has had since Akiman which are pretty much all considered a bust. Contract or no contract if Dak falls short it's time to cut him loose and draft a QB in the 1st round this upcoming draft

 

[Doomsday]

Dak and it isn't even close

 

[FTWayne]

I'd take a better ball-control offense that keeps the defense fresh to do its job. I don't care if it's dak or rush.

 

[JoeKing]

That was my take . What is your intent?

My intent? Do you think I was being malicious? I was hoping you were going to stay closer to the title and not answer the question you asked. but instead of giving everyone a chance to answer the question, you poisoned the well by adding your 2 cents, first.

 

[cnuball21]

Thank you for proving my point. Everyone of these QB's you have listed was a first round pick except Foles who was drafted in the 3rd round to be a backup QB..

Face it dude. Dak is a 4th round QB. That is all he is ever going to be. This is his year, there are no more excuses, this team cant be anymore Dak friendly. IMO if he cant get us to at least to the superbowl this season then his history will be just like the rest of the QB's Dallas has had since Akiman which are pretty much all considered a bust. Contract or no contract if Dak falls short it's time to cut him loose and draft a QB in the 1st round this upcoming draft

So you think all of those guys I referenced are clear cut better QBs than Dak? And that they didn’t have help being on great teams?

And again, you’re putting it on one player to “at least get to the Super Bowl.” Dude it isn’t happening barring a miracle. The Eagles and 49ers are clearly more talented teams. Ain’t Daks fault.

 

[JayFord]

7 pages for an obvious answer

 

[Rockport]

Sure as I said some players will either out perform or under perform their draft position but overall it's a good theory to play by.....Romo was undrafted, sure he made watching the game fun but we all knew he was never going to win us anything.

Aikman was a first round pick (and the last QB Dallas has drafted in the 1st round) and he won us Superbowls...

Look at several of our first round picks current on the team...Tyler Smith, Parsons, CeeDee etc. All top notch players playing to their draft positions. If Dallas would draft a 1st round QB we just might see the superbowl again.

Brady was a 6th round pick.

 

[Cydios]

I thought I was bad at bringing up topics that's beating down dead horses.

 

[leeblair]

Surely all of this rubbish we heard earlier in the season has subsided?

Our offense has been in top 5 since Prescott’s return. We were close to bottom 5 while with Rush.

The winning percentage is similar but I can’t imagine anyone still thinking this team has more potential heading into the playoffs with Rush over Prescott.

The Cowboys are 4-1 with Rush.
The Cowboys are 6-2 with Dak.
Except for a couple of strange turn-arounds vs the Lions and Texans at the goal line, the Cowboys would be 4-4 with Dak. The defense has bailed him out on occasion with great play after interceptions. The run game has propelled the Cowboys offense since mid season.
You make the call.