Are we a better team with Dak or Rush?

[CowboyFrog]

I would rather have Rush and 49 million in extra cap space than Dak.

That wouold be tough since Dak is only counting 19 (and some change) toward the cap..if you could pull this off you would be GM of the year.

 

[shabazz]

Don't look now but I think you just destroyed a troll

I really hate to call someone that but I have no idea where he's going with some of these threads...,.completly contradicts himself

 

[DogFace]

You’re a little bit off on what you think the market value is for a starting QB. The largest cap hit in 2022 is currently 38.6m.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/quarterback/

I’m not going to bother going through potential free agent list this early… a lot of the top guys will be re-signed by their current team and will never hit free agency. Plus unless you’re on the coaching staff or front office you really don’t fully understand how any given players skill set will fit in with your system. But I can say with absolute certainty that adding $50 million worth of cap space will result in a much stronger roster.

For 2023 Dak’s projected cap hit it is second, behind only Deshaun Watson.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2023/cap-hit/quarterback/

I didn’t say a starting QB. And that’s not what we’d be losing. We’d be losing, at minimum, a top 15 QB. His and other QB’s hits are (and his will be) affected by restructuring so his hit will change as will the QB market and I know with absolute certainty it won’t go down.

@CowboyFrog says 2 posts back Dak only counts 19 million towards the cap.

The point you’re proving is you couldn’t build a better roster and not because you don’t know personal. It’s because of you lose a top 15 QB it’s extremely hard to replace that.

So if you or anyone else comes up with a real hypothetical plan that I won’t hold you to contractually (it’s just for fun) let me know.

 

[DenCWBY]

Surely all of this rubbish we heard earlier in the season has subsided?

Our offense has been in top 5 since Prescott’s return. We were close to bottom 5 while with Rush.

The winning percentage is similar but I can’t imagine anyone still thinking this team has more potential heading into the playoffs with Rush over Prescott.

We are slightly better with Dak, however average with either QB. Look at our W/L record you say. We have been blessed with a very easy schedule, a very good defense and a very good run game to get us to that point. The DC QB play has been average overall.

 

[DogFace]

The Cowboys are 4-1 with Rush.
The Cowboys are 6-2 with Dak.
Except for a couple of strange turn-arounds vs the Lions and Texans at the goal line, the Cowboys would be 4-4 with Dak. The defense has bailed him out on occasion with great play after interceptions. The run game has propelled the Cowboys offense since mid season.
You make the call.

What is the offense ranked with Dak and without? Hint. It’s answered for you by op.

 

[DogFace]

We are slightly better with Dak, however average with either QB. Look at our W/L record you say. We have been blessed with a very easy schedule, a very good defense and a very good run game to get us to that point. The DC QB play has been average overall.

Why did our offensive rank jump so dramatically after Dak came back?

 

[DogFace]

How you all feel is only important to you and your moms. So keep your feelings out and stick to facts.

The offensive rank changed dramatically when Dak came back. At some point try to deal with that.

 

[DenCWBY]

Why did our offensive rank jump so dramatically after Dak came back?

There are tons of "rankings" out there. Show me what the ranking and the variables involved. If scoring, that's largely on the defense giving the offense a short field. Run game esp. #20 has been spectacular this year. I'm comparing QB's play only. Lastly, just watch the games. They both are inconsistent and largely dependent on talent around them. They both do not raise the level of play of their teammates.

 

[StarOfGlory]

The offense averaged about 20 ppg with Rush. Will that be enough to beat the Eagles or 49ers? If not, then Dak is your man. He simply a better QB. You have a margin for error with Dak that you don't with Rush because Dak can push the team and score points fast. Rush can't throw the ball downfield.

 

[Diehardblues]

We are slightly better with Dak, however average with either QB. Look at our W/L record you say. We have been blessed with a very easy schedule, a very good defense and a very good run game to get us to that point. The DC QB play has been average overall.

Actually it’s been much above average in production with Prescott. Top 10 versus bottom 5. Wins and losses isn’t the only measurement.

 

[Diehardblues]

The Cowboys are 4-1 with Rush.
The Cowboys are 6-2 with Dak.
Except for a couple of strange turn-arounds vs the Lions and Texans at the goal line, the Cowboys would be 4-4 with Dak. The defense has bailed him out on occasion with great play after interceptions. The run game has propelled the Cowboys offense since mid season.
You make the call.

Only using wins and losses as a measurement doesn’t tell the whole story.

If fans want to believe a bottom tier offense provides us a better opportunity than a top 10 offense to make some noise in the playoffs they are welcome to present that argument

 

[Diehardblues]

My intent? Do you think I was being malicious? I was hoping you were going to stay closer to the title and not answer the question you asked. but instead of giving everyone a chance to answer the question, you poisoned the well by adding your 2 cents, first.

My titles are often presented to draw you in. It’s the substance of my OP where the discussion lies.

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't even want to revisit the Rush era. EVER.

Rush was a solid backup. We are lucky to have him. This thread wasn’t intended to bash him. Rather to bash those who think we are a more formidable and balanced attack with him rather than Prescott.

 

[Cowboys1966]

@CowboyFrog says 2 posts back Dak only counts 19 million towards the cap.

The point you’re proving is you couldn’t build a better roster and not because you don’t know personal. It’s because of you lose a top 15 QB it’s extremely hard to replace that.

So if you or anyone else comes up with a real hypothetical plan that I won’t hold you to contractually (it’s just for fun) let me know.

? i’m talking about next year. Dak is 49 million against the cap in 2023. And there’s no way out of that without a bunch of dead money. My point was purely theoretical that Rush plus 49 million would be greater then Dak.

Dak is an average starting qb (Top 15 is average to a little above average). You don’t spend 49m of your cap on average.

In a mythical world where we could get out from under Daks contract without dead money, I would draft a qb high (perhaps a moderate trade up) and then sign a veteran bridge guy.

There is no quick fix to this. We could waste three more years hoping that Dak becomes elite, or, we could bail on him and move forward to the future.

Regarding Dak’s contract. He has a no trade, but if we could get to waive it, He would have a bit of trade value…when (since we eat the signing bonus) you consider that the acquiring team would get him for basically a two-year $60 million contract. You could use what draft capital we got back for Dak as part of the trade up.

This is all a waste of time though, as our brainless trust would never do any of these things.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Dak and it’s not even close

 

[ak47kaehu]

I rip on Dak a lot. But it's clear Dak is better.

 

[BoysForLife]

Gregg starting this thread really is a very powerful indictment of our QB imo.

The fact that there is a debate even being had, about who's better (the $40 million a year, "franchise" QB *vs* the $900K UDFA/career clipboard holder) really tells us all we need to know about how "great" dak is, doesn't it?

 

[Blackspider214]

I don't even want to revisit the Rush era. EVER.

Same. Rush isn't a good QB. He was a product of having a defense that played great and was asked to do almost nothing except stay afloat.

Unless every single thing goes perfect for Rush, he won't win.

 

[Blackspider214]

Gregg starting this thread really is a very powerful indictment of our QB imo.

The fact that there is a debate even being had, about who's better (the $40 million a year, "franchise" QB *vs* the $900K UDFA/career clipboard holder) really tells us all we need to know about how "great" dak is, doesn't it?

Lmao. There was never a debate. Ever. Internet and people in the media wanting views and clicks doesn't mean there was actually a legit debate. Rush isn't anywhere close to Dak. It's not even worth talking about.

 

[Diehardblues]

Gregg starting this thread really is a very powerful indictment of our QB imo.

The fact that there is a debate even being had, about who's better (the $40 million a year, "franchise" QB *vs* the $900K UDFA/career clipboard holder) really tells us all we need to know about how "great" dak is, doesn't it?

Better yet an indication of the agendas by some fans here. I’d argue most of Cowboys Nation doesn’t believe there is a debate.