Are we in a better place with McCarthy?

[fairviewfarmer]

It’s all speculative . I definitely agree I like our chances better with Bill.

But even if we get by NY no lock we get to SB. And definitely don’t think we had enough defense to beat Patriots .

Yes, we can hold Jethro at fault for running Bill off early and hiring a puppet.

I actually liked the Phillips hire over the other jerruh choice at the time: Norv Turner.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

That’s always the best measurement of a HC or any Mgmt or leadership. Are we in a better place than when you arrived?

There’s probably an argument to be made for both sides .

When MM came in most fans felt anything would be an improvement from Garrett. And an experienced proven SB winner was definitely what many ordered or had hoped for .

In many ways we are in a better place . 3 straight 12 win seasons. A couple division titles and first time since 90’s 3 consecutive playoff appearances. But only 1 playoff win and still no championship game appearances .

It appears we have built an overall better or more talented team. But the disappointment and frustration in playoffs continues.

So, what is your take. Are we in a better place with McCarthy than 4 years ago?

Id say probably, considering the kinds of coaches Jerry usually goes for and will probably be replacing McCarthy with

 

[CCBoy]

Fun fact: The Dallas Cowboys have won a Super Bowl more recently than the San Francisco 49ers​

Yes they’ve been better than us over the last 25 years but the same amount of rings to show for it.

After three consecutive 12-win seasons under Mike McCarthy, the Dallas Cowboys now lead the NFL all-time in seasons with 12 or more wins (16, tied with the 49ers). What other teams with that much regular-season success have come under as much public scrutiny in the past?​

2002 and 2003 Andy Reid went 12-4. He was let go after a 4-12 season in 2012.

 

[KJJ]

Anyone who thinks we’re in a better place under McCarthy might want to take a good look at this board. Does this sound like a group of fans that thinks the Cowboys are in a better place? Lol It’s been gloom and doom the entire off-season.

 

[Bullflop]

Anyone who thinks we’re in a better place under McCarthy might want to take a good look at this board. Does this sound like a group of fans that thinks the Cowboys are in a better place? Lol It’s been gloom and doom the entire off-season.

There are many pessimistic members on this website -- whether that changes with yet another HC that Jerry picks remains to be seen.

 

[KJJ]

There are many pessimistic members on this website -- whether that changes with yet another HC that Jerry picks remains to be seen.

A new HC gives most fans some hope initially but once you start seeing the same old, same old, the pessimism starts up again. Regardless the HC nothing ever seems to change. We continue to see the same issues under every HC. Everyone talks about a culture change but we never see it because the Joneses continue to run the team the way they have. Jerry undermines every HC he hires.

 

[Bullflop]

A new HC gives most fans some hope initially but once you start seeing the same old, same old, the pessimism starts up again. Regardless the HC nothing ever seems to change. We continue to see the same issues under every HC. Everyone talks about a culture change but we never see it because the Joneses continue to run the team the way they have. Jerry undermines every HC he hires.

I couldn't agree more . . . I was thinking along the same exact lines before your response.

 

[Flinger]

He hasn't just failed, he has epically failed.

He hasn't come close to achieving what he was hired for.

Building a competitve team that is 12-5 3 consecutive years is not an epic failure. Come on.

Any one of 500 coaches would fail with the team this front office puts on the field.

 

[Flinger]

I couldn't agree more . . . I was thinking along the same exact lines before your response.

KJJ said earlier in this stream that the Cowboys have been dealing with a porous defense for over 20 years now. (or something to that effect).

Coaches and coordinates have come and gone...

Who is the single constant?

Who is it that does NOT fill the roster effectively?

Who is it that is "school house left and school house right" regarding player profile (size, speed, experience, etc.) based upon the latest voice in the coaching staff (HC, OC, DC) to be switched out?

Who is that signals ahead to the entire NFL that the team has to trade off putting premium players in key spots while simply filling the rest where they can - safety, DT, etc?

Who is it that ties up the CAP with $17M RB's, behind the curve on understanding the value at the RB position that every other GM in the NFL does...and then complains they cannot sign other players to fill the roster?

Who is it that essentially ignores 2 of 3 avenues for player and talent acquisition (Draft, Trade, Free Agency)?

Whos is it that has a strategy to sign injured players to long term contracts or draft them, thereby consistently losing at least 1 year of top performance from each injured player aquired or re-signed?

Who is it that waits until the end of contracts for key players and then pays top dollar or loses them - then, blames the CAP realities?

Who is it that takes no action when his MLB goes down with injury, early season, and makes the HC and DC manage it?

Who is that says, he is "all in".. and, then isn't?

They replace MM and everyone will be whinning about the next headcoach who has to deal with this inane idiot father/son front office.

Coaching is not the problem with the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[kskboys]

I actually liked the Phillips hire over the other jerruh choice at the time: Norv Turner.

Jerry sabotaged Wade. Not that Wade is a great HC, but he never had a chance w/ Jerry rescinding fines he tried to levy to restore order.

 

[kskboys]

Building a competitve team that is 12-5 3 consecutive years is not an epic failure. Come on.

Any one of 500 coaches would fail with the team this front office puts on the field.

Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[75boyz]

KJJ said earlier in this stream that the Cowboys have been dealing with a porous defense for over 20 years now. (or something to that effect).

Coaches and coordinates have come and gone...

Who is the single constant?

Who is it that does NOT fill the roster effectively?

Who is it that is "school house left and school house right" regarding player profile (size, speed, experience, etc.) based upon the latest voice in the coaching staff (HC, OC, DC) to be switched out?

Who is that signals ahead to the entire NFL that the team has to trade off putting premium players in key spots while simply filling the rest where they can - safety, DT, etc?

Who is it that ties up the CAP with $17M RB's, behind the curve on understanding the value at the RB position that every other GM in the NFL does...and then complains they cannot sign other players to fill the roster?

Who is it that essentially ignores 2 of 3 avenues for player and talent acquisition (Draft, Trade, Free Agency)?

Whos is it that has a strategy to sign injured players to long term contracts or draft them, thereby consistently losing at least 1 year of top performance from each injured player aquired or re-signed?

Who is it that waits until the end of contracts for key players and then pays top dollar or loses them - then, blames the CAP realities?

Who is it that takes no action when his MLB goes down with injury, early season, and makes the HC and DC manage it?

Who is that says, he is "all in".. and, then isn't?

They replace MM and everyone will be whinning about the next headcoach who has to deal with this inane idiot father/son front office.

Coaching is not the problem with the Dallas Cowboys.

Reid, Shanahan, Tomlin, Harbaugh, and Payton could win playoff game(s) with THIS roster.
Playoff games. Plural.

The front office problem is not hiring THIS TYPE of right coach.

If you think this team has been prepared for its 4 playoff football opportunities with this current coach you need to go back and review game film.

Like this team's playoff quarterbacking in the playoffs, this team's head coaching playoff performances by McFraud have been epic failures.

Coaching is a huge part of team failure.

Now, don't go back and try to lump it under it's Jerry's fault again because he hired this guy when this former SB winning coach has done nothing but suck at playoff football as a Cowboys head coach.

Period.
Regardless if Jerry hired him.

McFraud sucks as a Dallas Cowboys playoff head coach all on his own. His individual performance in this role has been a major failure.

 

[kskboys]

A new HC gives most fans some hope initially but once you start seeing the same old, same old, the pessimism starts up again. Regardless the HC nothing ever seems to change. We continue to see the same issues under every HC. Everyone talks about a culture change but we never see it because the Joneses continue to run the team the way they have. Jerry undermines every HC he hires.

A thousand likes to you, sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

Reid, Shanahan, Tomlin, Harbaugh, and Payton could win playoff game(s) with THIS roster.
Playoff games. Plural.

The front office problem IS not hiring this type of right coach.

If you think this team has been prepared for its 4 playoff football opportunities with this current coach you need to go back and review game film.

Like this team's playoff quarterbacking in the playoffs, this team's head coaching playoff performances by McFraud have been epic failures.

Coaching is a huge part of team failure.

Don't go back and try to lump it under it's Jerry's fault again when his current SB winning coach has donenothing but suck at playoff football as a Cowboys head coach.

Period.
Regardless if Jerry hired him.

Maybe if Jerry let them get some DT's in here. You just can't beat playoff teams w/ JAGs at DT.

 

[kskboys]

There are many pessimistic members on this website -- whether that changes with yet another HC that Jerry picks remains to be seen.

And for many of those fans the pessimism is a learned trait.

 

[75boyz]

Maybe if Jerry let them get some DT's in here. You just can't beat playoff teams w/ JAGs at DT.

Run defense/DT play had absolutely nothing to do with the 19-12 Jan. '23 SF playoff loss.
Nothing whatsoever.

 

[Flinger]

Reid, Shanahan, Tomlin, Harbaugh, and Payton could win playoff game(s) with THIS roster.
Playoff games. Plural.

The front office problem is not hiring THIS TYPE of right coach.

If you think this team has been prepared for its 4 playoff football opportunities with this current coach you need to go back and review game film.

Like this team's playoff quarterbacking in the playoffs, this team's head coaching playoff performances by McFraud have been epic failures.

Coaching is a huge part of team failure.

Now, don't go back and try to lump it under it's Jerry's fault again because he hired this guy when this former SB winning coach has done nothing but suck at playoff football as a Cowboys head coach.

Period.
Regardless if Jerry hired him.

McFraud sucks as a Dallas Cowboys playoff head coach all on his own. His individual performance in this role has been a major failure.

Disagree.

Not going to repeat myself - look at my earlier posts for my rationale.

McCarthy had plenty of Playoff games success before arriving with Cowboys. Plural. Just like the other coaches you listed.

For us, I see players fail at times (Dak?). I see units fail at times and some consistently (Running game? Run defense?). Last year (whole year), I can't see how a top 5 offense and top 5 defense are failures.

So, be specific... tell us where the coaching failed? Not just one game... the whole MM coaching experience with the Cowboys? Remember 12-5 3 consecutive years...

 

[75boyz]

Disagree.

Not going to repeat myself - look at my earlier posts for my rationale.

McCarthy had plenty of Playoff games success before arriving with Cowboys. Plural. Just like the other coaches you listed.

For us, I see players fail at times (Dak?). I see units fail at times and some consistently (Running game? Run defense?). Last year (whole year), I can't see how a top 5 offense and top 5 defense are failures.

So, be specific... tell us where the coaching failed? Not just one game... the whole MM coaching experience with the Cowboys? Remember 12-5 3 consecutive years...

Which playoff performance(s)?
The 2 playoff SF losses in which he actually publicly threw his OC under the bus or outright said he had no input whatsoever to offensive game planning, or end of game keystone cops playcalling that he signed off on.
As a former head coach and playcaller who said he would never not be a playcaller again?
Only once to scapegoating his former OC for past failures, he gets his chance in '23 as a regular season playcaller and tally all those regular season offensive accolades and then...
he ***** the bed like no other Cowboys coach has ever done in history and manages a whole 16 points with 7 minutes left while giving up 48 to a 7 seed at home.

Yeah,
Stick with those regular season banners.

I prefer a guy who can do this thing called "coaching 'em up" when games really matter.

Ask Moderator Bob here about his meme.

Respect is earned in the playoffs.

And however you need to spin his GB resume from 15 years ago, you be you.

In his last 6 years of coaching, both at GB before being fired, and Dallas, he's had 1 playoff win.

The Tampa one.

To each his own.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Jerry sabotaged Wade. Not that Wade is a great HC, but he never had a chance w/ Jerry rescinding fines he tried to levy to restore order.

Plus Jerry had his handpicked Family Portrait boy ready to take over from the start. He even paid Garrett the same as Wade. The whole arrangement was ridiculous.

And don't think the players don't know these things.

 

[Bullflop]

KJJ said earlier in this stream that the Cowboys have been dealing with a porous defense for over 20 years now. (or something to that effect).

Coaches and coordinates have come and gone...

Who is the single constant?

Who is it that does NOT fill the roster effectively?

Who is it that is "school house left and school house right" regarding player profile (size, speed, experience, etc.) based upon the latest voice in the coaching staff (HC, OC, DC) to be switched out?

Who is that signals ahead to the entire NFL that the team has to trade off putting premium players in key spots while simply filling the rest where they can - safety, DT, etc?

Who is it that ties up the CAP with $17M RB's, behind the curve on understanding the value at the RB position that every other GM in the NFL does...and then complains they cannot sign other players to fill the roster?

Who is it that essentially ignores 2 of 3 avenues for player and talent acquisition (Draft, Trade, Free Agency)?

Whos is it that has a strategy to sign injured players to long term contracts or draft them, thereby consistently losing at least 1 year of top performance from each injured player aquired or re-signed?

Who is it that waits until the end of contracts for key players and then pays top dollar or loses them - then, blames the CAP realities?

Who is it that takes no action when his MLB goes down with injury, early season, and makes the HC and DC manage it?

Who is that says, he is "all in".. and, then isn't?

They replace MM and everyone will be whinning about the next headcoach who has to deal with this inane idiot father/son front office.

Coaching is not the problem with the Dallas Cowboys.

Well, I've been saying the same things about Jerry & Son forever, now -- it's not like I haven't made such ideas clear in my previous posts. As far as how long it's been that the Cowboys defense has been porous, I know it's been quite a while. I'm not sure about 20 years, but it's been too long.