Are we past the "pinch-me if this is real" phase on Miles?

[theogt]

They're comparable in their obnoxiousness and fundamental lack of honesty. Yes, believe it or not, you can love this team or certain players too much--to the point where you become blinkered. Conversely, dissent around here is routinely written off as "hate," and it's got to stop. BTW, I have never seen a "Where are the Tony lovers?" thread, but I have witnessed plenty of the opposite. http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166398

I'd love to hear how calling out people that call for Jon Kitna over Romo, and the like, can be described as fundamentally lacking honesty.

Everyone on this board criticizes the team. It's not criticism itself that is a problem. It's the over-the-top criticism that is the problem. You might even call it "obnoxious."

 

[gbrittain]

Just wondering why you're so thin-skinned. You're never going to achieve unanimity of opinion, so why waste your time? And the fact that you do so on a virulent pro-Tony board, where you have an army of his supporters to back you up, is hardly the definition of "courage." In fact, it's just the opposite.

P.S. If you want others to "post in peace and go their own way," then stop throwing the first punch.

We obviously see things differently. To me you are coming across as thin skinned. I enjoy mixing it up with the haters sometimes. I do not have a single poster on ignore. Sometimes I don't feel like mixing it up and I don't. I never said they have to have the same opinion. I question the logic or validity of their opinion and I promise you they do the same about mine. So who is thin skinned? Did I ever say I was courageous? Did I ever say they were not?

You are just wanting to argue at this point and making up things that I never said or alluded to.

 

[bbgun]

so if someone says people are negative and want romo gone, you can say that's a strawman argument without numbers to support it.

but - you can then say SO MANY MORE PEOPLE wouldn't trade romo for ANYONE, yet you don't have to go get those #'s.

the ones you wanted someone else to get.

from strictly an unbiased viewpoint, you just refuted an argument by demanding more details and facts (and that's fine) but you turned around and made your own strawman then it doesn't matter.

this is part of the frustrating thing for me is people use standards to fit their views, not across the board as a whole.

Here's what he wrote:

Romo might say otherwise. I mean it is completely normal to cut all QBs who are among the most productive in the NFL (All Time) because they are 0-2 in their playoff careers. Nevermind the fact that the whole team played no small part in that 0-2 playoff record.

He didn't come close to proving that anyone wanted Tony cut, which means it's a fake (aka "straw man") argument meant to smear Tony's critics, be they mild or extreme. Two or three people in the Kitna thread that I perused lobbied for him to be benched, not cut. Others preferred drafting a replacement. So again, we're talking about a distinct minority of people who for some reason get the lion's share of negative attention around here, which is bizarre. I repeat: Tony's not a victim, and his detractors aren't numerous.

 

[bbgun]

I'd love to hear how calling out people that call for Jon Kitna over Romo, and the like, can be described as fundamentally lacking honesty.

Everyone on this board criticizes the team. It's not criticism itself that is a problem. It's the over-the-top criticism that is the problem. You might even call it "obnoxious."

I wasn't referring to the Kitna threads. I was referring to the all too real "Romo hater threads" (which usually pop up after a win) vs. the hypothetical "Romo lover" threads (which are rarer than Carp tackles). One side is obnoxious; the other is not.

 

[theogt]

Here's what he wrote:



He didn't come close to proving that anyone wanted Tony cut, which means it's a fake (aka "straw man") argument meant to smear Tony's critics, be they mild or extreme. Two or three people in the Kitna thread that I perused lobbied for him to be benched, not cut. Others preferred drafting a replacement. So again, we're talking about a distinct minority of people who for some reason get the lion's share of negative attention around here, which is bizarre. I repeat: Tony's not a victim, and his detractors aren't numerous.

Congratulations. We've discovered that people only want to trade him, bench him for Kitna, or draft his replacement. But no one apparently wants to cut him immediately. I'm glad we were able to dispense of all of the non-sensical arguments.

 

[Zman5]

Miles can have 200 yard games every week during the regular season but until he does it in a playoff game, I won't be sold that he's better than what he is. An UDFA scrub WR from a small no name school.

/sarcasm off.

 

[bbgun]

Congratulations. We've discovered that people only want to trade him, bench him for Kitna, or draft his replacement. But no one apparently wants to cut him immediately. I'm glad we were able to dispense of all of the non-sensical arguments.

Correct. He overreacted. I win. Yay.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'd love to hear how calling out people that call for Jon Kitna over Romo, and the like, can be described as fundamentally lacking honesty.

Everyone on this board criticizes the team. It's not criticism itself that is a problem. It's the over-the-top criticism that is the problem. You might even call it "obnoxious."

Bingo we have a winner.

 

[theogt]

Correct. He overreacted. I win. Yay.

A winner? Or fundamentally lacking honesty?

 

[bbgun]

Bingo we have a winner.

Theo can't read. Literacy is the big loser.

 

[iceberg]

Here's what he wrote:

He didn't come close to proving that anyone wanted Tony cut, which means it's a fake (aka "straw man") argument meant to smear Tony's critics, be they mild or extreme. Two or three people in the Kitna thread that I perused lobbied for him to be benched, not cut. Others preferred drafting a replacement. So again, we're talking about a distinct minority of people who for some reason get the lion's share of negative attention around here, which is bizarre. I repeat: Tony's not a victim, and his detractors aren't numerous.

before you mistake me for actually getting into the stupid argument itself - back up. i'm not doing that.

i'm only saying you can't tell him his numbers are just a few vocal whiners then use a few vocal whiners on your side to say it's a valid point.

i agree it's a strawman argument in this sense.

but then you made your OWN strawman argument by saying many people in here wouldn't trade romo for anyone.

how come you can use inflated emotional outbursts for your side but if someone else does it, you call it out as inflated emotional outbursts?

but "your side" is keeping it real?

both sides are monkeykissin stupid and trying to put one ahead of the other is almost as stupid as both sides are.

 

[gbrittain]

before you mistake me for actually getting into the stupid argument itself - back up. i'm not doing that.

i'm only saying you can't tell him his numbers are just a few vocal whiners then use a few vocal whiners on your side to say it's a valid point.

i agree it's a strawman argument in this sense.

but then you made your OWN strawman argument by saying many people in here wouldn't trade romo for anyone.

how come you can use inflated emotional outbursts for your side but if someone else does it, you call it out as inflated emotional outbursts?

but "your side" is keeping it real?

both sides are monkeykissin stupid and trying to put one ahead of the other is almost as stupid as both sides are.

Bbgun is making the argument about semantics. Yes I used the word cut. He knows good and well that there are posters on here that hate him and want him gone.

If I came out and said Bobby Carpenter sucks, Dallas needs to draft another LB, and just went on and on about him I think it would be understood that I would rather him not be on the team and we should replace him as soon as humanly possible even though I did not say the word cut Bobby Carpentar.

Back to Romo. Third highest rated passer in league history and there are people who want him gone. Yes gone. I stand by my original statement.

If people will turn on the 3rd most prolific passer in NFL history 3 years into his career, then you better believe people on this forum are going to turn on Miles Austin...you know since he wasn't a first round pick and all.

 

[bbgun]

but then you made your OWN strawman argument by saying many people in here wouldn't trade romo for anyone.

Here's one of those "Who would you trade trade Romo for?" threads:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155524&highlight=cutler

Here are the respondents who said "no one":

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819643&postcount=4

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819668&postcount=8

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819689&postcount=13

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819692&postcount=14

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819705&postcount=17

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819979&postcount=62

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2820196&postcount=84

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2820407&postcount=127

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2820489&postcount=128

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2821983&postcount=207

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2822404&postcount=212

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2822554&postcount=214

How many more "Tony or bust" extremists would I find if I went poking around in other threads? Conversely, gbrittain couldn't unearth one poster who wanted to summarily "cut" Romo. Winner by a landslide: moi.

 

[theogt]

Here's one of those "Who would you trade trade Romo for?" threads:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155524&highlight=cutler

Here are the respondents who said "no one":

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819643&postcount=4

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819668&postcount=8

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819689&postcount=13

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819692&postcount=14

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819705&postcount=17

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819979&postcount=62

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2820196&postcount=84

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2820407&postcount=127

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2820489&postcount=128

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2821983&postcount=207

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2822404&postcount=212

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2822554&postcount=214

How many more "Tony or bust" extremists would I find if I went poking around in other threads? Conversely, gbrittain couldn't unearth one poster who wanted to summarily "cut" Romo. Winner by a landslide: moi.

Well, if we're going to be as precise with our language as you have been in this thread, it's only fair to note that about half of those didn't actually say they would take not take anyone over Romo.

Regardless, you'd only think it reasonable that more people would want to keep the 3rd highest rated passer of all time rather than trade or bench him. Of course, you think both opinions should be met with the same response, which is just beyond me.

 

[iceberg]

Here's one of those "Who would you trade trade Romo for?" threads:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155524&highlight=cutler

Here are the respondents who said "no one":

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819643&postcount=4

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819668&postcount=8

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819689&postcount=13

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819692&postcount=14

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819705&postcount=17

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819979&postcount=62

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2820196&postcount=84

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2820407&postcount=127

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2820489&postcount=128

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2821983&postcount=207

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2822404&postcount=212

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2822554&postcount=214

How many more "Tony or bust" extremists would I find if I went poking around in other threads? Conversely, gbrittain couldn't unearth one poster who wanted to summarily "cut" Romo. Winner by a landslide: moi.

let me look at 1 post you cite as "the extreme"

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819643&postcount=4

so dooms says there are better qb's out there, but he's happy with ours.

so, strike one and from reading theogts reply, you seem to take a lot of leeway for verbiage when the whole point of your argument now is NOT giving that leeway to someone else.

you just illustrated my point of frustration again in that you allow for yourself leeway you won't give others.

now if you just wanna giggle and declare yourself a winner by all means.

giggle.

then shine up that internet trophy of hypocracy cause that's all you're really doing. but yea, you win.

i lose. : )

 

[iceberg]

Bbgun is making the argument about semantics. Yes I used the word cut. He knows good and well that there are posters on here that hate him and want him gone.

If I came out and said Bobby Carpenter sucks, Dallas needs to draft another LB, and just went on and on about him I think it would be understood that I would rather him not be on the team and we should replace him as soon as humanly possible even though I did not say the word cut Bobby Carpentar.

Back to Romo. Third highest rated passer in league history and there are people who want him gone. Yes gone. I stand by my original statement.

If people will turn on the 3rd most prolific passer in NFL history 3 years into his career, then you better believe people on this forum are going to turn on Miles Austin...you know since he wasn't a first round pick and all.

there are people who want him gone. i won't lie, there are times i wonder. but i know better than to let 1 bad moment kill many upcoming years of great moments. OH MY GOD ROMO SCREWED UP!

i don't wanna go back and count the hensons, carters, hutch's out there we had to go through to get here. i said at the time we'll go through a lot of crap qb's before we find a good one.

we got a good one and now some are upset he's not THE BEST ONE.

the IGS will be the death of us all.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

ice, is that your hair?

 

[iceberg]

ice, is that your hair?

when the heck did i change that? wow, it has been a busy week.

but yea - it was about 4" longer than it is now and i shot straight up while i looked straight down into the camera.

it looks like an eskimo coat around my head, but it's just my hair.

 

[bbgun]

let me look at 1 post you cite as "the extreme"

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2819643&postcount=4

so dooms says there are better qb's out there, but he's happy with ours.

So what? He still wouldn't trade Tony for any other QB in the league. Whether he's complimentary towards other QB's is completely irrelevant. You asked for proof, got it, and still aren't happy. How many bull**** strings and conditions do you have to attach before you can win this argument?

so, strike one and from reading theogts reply, you seem to take a lot of leeway for verbiage when the whole point of your argument now is NOT giving that leeway to someone else.

Not at all. You just can't deal with the evidence, so you try to change the rules late in the game. Fail.

 

[iceberg]

So what? He still wouldn't trade Tony for any other QB in the league. Whether he's complimentary towards other QB's is completely irrelevant. You asked for proof, got it, and still aren't happy. How many bull**** strings and conditions do you have to attach before you can win this argument?


Not at all. You just can't deal with the evidence, so you try to change the rules late in the game. Fail.

i refuse to play anymore till you back this up with a direct quote - not what you interpret "i'm happy with our qb" to mean.

you want a lot of lattitude for how things are phrased in the middle of an argument where you nailed a guy for 1 freakin word.

dig man, china ain't much further.

fail? the direct quote you say states he refuses to trade romo for ANYONE.

There are some very good QB's out there but I'm happy to have Romo as ours.

let me put that out there again in another color.

There are some very good QB's out there but I'm happy to have Romo as ours.

let me bold it up and make it pretty.

There are some very good QB's out there but I'm happy to have Romo as ours.

for the love of god you're right man! he clearly says he won't trade romo for ANYONE!

i stand before your powers of interpretation.

THAT you won't let others do as well.

you can't prove my point any more, but thank you for taking it this far.