ARTICLE: Former Cowboy Mel Renfro has advice for S Roy Williams

[zrinkill]

I've already answered the questions......

Nope.

 

[badleelee]

I agree with Mel. Roy does have coverage problems.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

If Roy is the best SS, and he's only "average" what does that make every other SS in the league?
some are lower than average and some are average....(there are some who are average that are less than above average but higher than those that are average.....

So you don't have a problem with Roy's play really, technically you have a problem with the whole leagues play from the SS position? And Roy just happens to be the thinnest kid at a fat camp, it all makes perfect sense now.

I never said I had a complete problem with his play, I just said there is room for improvement....Roy is a Cowboy, I am a fan, so thus I am entitled to an opinion........right??

 

[Wood]

Its amazing to me that a Safety can make it at the NFL level (and be a very high draft pick) and have poor footwork and have difficulty locating the ball in the air. I don't know how "coachable" Roy Williams is...but either he didnt get proper coaching or he fails to work on it.

 

[adamknite]

I never said I had a complete problem with his play, I just said there is room for improvement....Roy is a Cowboy, I am a fan, so thus I am entitled to an opinion........right??

I think it's just because your arguments have been contradicting everything you've said previously. One minutes: "Roy Williams is the best at his position" the next minute: "anybody can see he's average".

Heck, if you would have said "I just don't think Roy is that good of a safety and expect more from him" and stuck with it all of us would have still defended Roy but atleast respected your opinion if you made valid arguments. However you said he was the best.... but yet he's just average...

if he's the best player in the league at his position then..... average is the benchmark and expecting more then that would be crazy.

 

[zrinkill]

I agree with Mel. Roy does have coverage problems.

I agree too ...... all Strong Safeties have "coverage problems" ..... as do linebackers, and D-linemen.

 

[zrinkill]

Its amazing to me that a Safety can make it at the NFL level (and be a very high draft pick) and have poor footwork and have difficulty locating the ball in the air. I don't know how "coachable" Roy Williams is...but either he didnt get proper coaching or he fails to work on it.

I know ........ how does every strong safety in the league make it in the NFL.

 

[bbgun]

Poor Mel. Yet another "hater" with an obvious "agenda." LOL.

http://img134.*************/img134/4850/melrenfro4ef9.jpg

 

[dcowboysfan76]

I think it's just because your arguments have been contradicting everything you've said previously. One minutes: "Roy Williams is the best at his position" the next minute: "anybody can see he's average".

Heck, if you would have said "I just don't think Roy is that good of a safety and expect more from him" and stuck with it all of us would have still defended Roy but atleast respected your opinion if you made valid arguments. However you said he was the best.... but yet he's just average...

if he's the best player in the league at his position then..... average is the benchmark and expecting more then that would be crazy.

Not a contradiction....I just said that he's considered the best at his position...That doesn't mean that he doesn't have anything to work on. The league does not have many SS that can do both, cover and play the run nor does the league have a plethora of outstanding SS's...Roy is considered average compared to many that have played that position. I was hoping that I wouldn't have to be so specific.....Now here you go.....Roy Williams compared to Darren Woodson---I find it amazing that you guys think that Roy Williams is a superior athlethe in his position and that he doesn't have anything to improve on........Maybe I should give you my definition of average.....Average IMO is a player who does everything he's supposed to do to get the job done.....Average is good.....it's efficient, but Roy does not blow my socks off.....Once Roy achieves the skills of Woodson, I will consider him great, but right now he's just good (average)

 

[YosemiteSam]

Since DeAngelo Hall is firing biscuits at Petrino again, maybe we can just sign his trouble making *** and move Henry to safety and just dump Roy Williams!

 

[AdamJT13]

Not a contradiction....I just said that he's considered the best at his position...That doesn't mean that he doesn't have anything to work on. The league does not have many SS that can do both, cover and play the run nor does the league have a plethora of outstanding SS's...Roy is considered average compared to many that have played that position. I was hoping that I wouldn't have to be so specific.....Now here you go.....Roy Williams compared to Darren Woodson---I find it amazing that you guys think that Roy Williams is a superior athlethe in his position and that he doesn't have anything to improve on........Maybe I should give you my definition of average.....Average IMO is a player who does everything he's supposed to do to get the job done.....Average is good.....it's efficient, but Roy does not blow my socks off.....Once Roy achieves the skills of Woodson, I will consider him great, but right now he's just good (average)

So, you've just given up altogether on trying to make sense?

It's amazing how much time you've spent posting in this thread, considering that you're far too busy to come up with even one example of anything you've been claiming.

Oh wait, I know. You're going to reply with more ridiculous exaggerations. I can't wait.

 

[zrinkill]

Oh wait, I know. You're going to reply with more ridiculous exaggerations. I can't wait.

And they will be in bold letters so you know he is serious.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

I know ........ how does every strong safety in the league make it in the NFL.

From Roy:
Talking about the box: "It's cool to be back down there, but to be an all-around good player you have to be able to do a lot of things," he said. "I just can't be just one-minded about being in the box. You have to be able to cover too. I still have to worry about that and other aspects of the game."
One thing he insists he's not worried about is criticism, most of which has centered on his coverage problems.

Notice he said he has to worry......sounds like you're lacking a lil confidence there bruh....

Ferocious blows are Williams' signature statement. They're a big reason why the Dallas Cowboys gave him a $25.2 million contract extension last summer and why he's been invited to the last four Pro Bowls.

It's certainly not for his coverage skills.
Williams' weakness as a cover guy was exploited more than ever last season. Of the 25 touchdown passes thrown against Dallas, a good chunk came with No. 31 in the area, unable to prevent it. While Williams contends it was often a case of mistaken identity -- "I'm supposed to be doing one thing, but then I try to help out with something and it looks like I'm getting burned" -- it may not be a coincidence that new coach Wade Phillips plans to use his hard-hitting safety differently this season.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=247938

Hmmm, not only does he lack confidence in his coverage skills, but he also makes excuses and puts his teammates on blast.....Yep that Roy is a superstar isn't he?

Oh yeah, One thing to remember about Roy Williams...there's a REASON he's moved closer to the line and away from SS, because he can't cover and misses assignments.....but I guess you need examples right

Roy Williams has more talent than just about anybody at the position, but he's not maximizing his skills. He's not doing what it takes to make himself better, to make himself a championship calibre player. Everybody knows he's not the best cover guy, but can you honestly say in the past three years he's gotten ANY better? I'd submit to you he's gotten worse! and tackling, that's the worst part of his game. If he's straight on, he just tries to crush the guy, with no regard to wrapping up, and all those horse collar tackles you saw last year? What you don't see on the tv is the pathetic pursuit angle he took that put him behind the guy in the first place, where all he's got left is the desperation grab at the jersey or the absolute most basic thing you do before you go to make an open field tackle. Break down! anybody remember this concept from frikkin PEE WEE FOOTBALL??!?!!

Oh yeah, I forgot he's Super Roy!!

 

[dcowboysfan76]

So, you've just given up altogether on trying to make sense?

It's amazing how much time you've spent posting in this thread, considering that you're far too busy to come up with even one example of anything you've been claiming.

Oh wait, I know. You're going to reply with more ridiculous exaggerations. I can't wait.

Ok, how about the plays against Desmond Clark and Marshawn Lynch.....He took a bad angle on Lynch and was forced to drag him down by the back of his shoulder pads.....He was fined for the play against Clark for dragging him down.....so what's ridiculous?.....The true exaggeration is that you guys think Roy is a superstar SS........

 

[dallasfaniac]

Ok, how about the plays against Desmond Clark and Marshawn Lynch.....He took a bad angle on Lynch and was forced to drag him down by the back of his shoulder pads.....He was fined for the play against Clark for dragging him down.....so what's ridiculous?.....The true exaggeration is that you guys think Roy is a superstar SS........

I don't have the tape in front of me, but as far as the Lynch tackle goes, the run was for a 1 yard gain. Roy would have had to be behind the line of scrimmage for it to be a poor angle.

 

[AdamJT13]

Notice he said he has to worry......sounds like you're lacking a lil confidence there bruh....

You're really reaching now. It's a common figure of speech. When he says he can't just focus on one thing and has to "worry about" other things as well, he's merely saying that he has other responsibilities. He's not actually saying he's worried or "lacking confidence."

he also makes excuses and puts his teammates on blast.

So, defending himself against undue criticism (which he almost never does, even though he should) is "making excuses"? So if you get accused of something you didn't do, and you say you didn't do it, are you just "making excuses"?

One thing to remember about Roy Williams...there's a REASON he's moved closer to the line and away from SS, because he can't cover and misses assignments.

Not according to our coaches. They gave a completely different reason, and they even said it's NOT because "he can't cover."

But you know better than the coaches, right?

all those horse collar tackles you saw last year? What you don't see on the tv is the pathetic pursuit angle he took that put him behind the guy in the first place, where all he's got left is the desperation grab at the jersey or the absolute most basic thing you do before you go to make an open field tackle.

There you go again, pretending something happened that never did. Too bad you're far "too busy" to think up an imaginary play in an imaginary game when that actually happened.

 

[dallasfaniac]

So, defending himself against undue criticism (which he almost never does, even though he should) is "making excuses"? So if you get accused of something you didn't do, and you say you didn't do it, are you just "making excuses"?

Wade Phillips must have been making excuses too when Jen brought up the fact that Roy said that and Wade said that the media didn't know what they were talking about.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

You're really reaching now. It's a common figure of speech. When he says he can't just focus on one thing and has to "worry about" other things as well, he's merely saying that he has other responsibilities. He's not actually saying he's worried or "lacking confidence."
If you say so, but to me he's saying that he knows there is room for improvement



So, defending himself against undue criticism (which he almost never does, even though he should) is "making excuses"? So if you get accused of something you didn't do, and you say you didn't do it, are you just "making excuses"?
If you are on a team you shouldn't make that kind of statement....maybe you should be accountable....at least Woody was



Not according to our coaches. They gave a completely different reason, and they even said it's NOT because "he can't cover."
Do you actually think the coach will just come out and say you are a liability...nope, they will put you in a position to show your strengths

But you know better than the coaches, right?
Do you??



There you go again, pretending something happened that never did. Too bad you're far "too busy" to think up an imaginary play in an imaginary game when that actually happened.

Pretending something happened? hmmm why was the rule placed?? Seems to me you are pretending it didn't happen

Doesn't matter, Roy W homers will see what they want to see anyways.....

 

[dcowboysfan76]

I don't have the tape in front of me, but as far as the Lynch tackle goes, the run was for a 1 yard gain. Roy would have had to be behind the line of scrimmage for it to be a poor angle.

It appears to me that he was out of position and had to reach to grab Lynch....can you tell from the picture.

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2007/10/roy_williams_fined_again.html

 

[AdamJT13]

Ok, how about the plays against Desmond Clark and Marshawn Lynch.....He took a bad angle on Lynch and was forced to drag him down by the back of his shoulder pads.....He was fined for the play against Clark for dragging him down.....so what's ridiculous?

Neither of those plays had anything to do with taking a bad angle. He took a perfect angle against Lynch and stopped him for a 2-yard gain instead of a long run. And on the Clark play, Roy was playing an inside zone, Clark caught the pass several yards to the outside of Roy and ran straight for the sideline -- away from Roy -- to get out of bounds. Roy ran him down from behind and tried to keep him inbounds.

The true exaggeration is that you guys think Roy is a superstar SS........

He's one of the best safeties in the league, and one of the biggest playmaking safeties in the league. If you want to call him a "superstar," that's your opinion.