Attention all those that hate our draft!

[Bach]

The point is no one knows how these guys will pan out. Just because where someone had them rated or when they were drafted means nothing and you know that. Did you really jump up and down and start screaming future pro bowler - future pro bowler when we drafted Jay Ratliff?

With 6th and 7th rounders you hope for the best but don't expect much.

But to act like the entire draft is a total crapshoot and you can just pick names out of a hat is bogus. I know it isn't an exact science, but you can evaluate players and no team gets ripped for taking guys when or later than they were projected.

And for what it's worth, I can't recall a time when our draft got a bad grade and years later, after waiting and seeing, it turned out to be a real good draft. I do know some drafts people thought were good a the time didn't pan out years later, but rarely is the opposite true.

The consensus is that this is a "D" type draft. The odds that 5 years from now we'll look back and it'll be an "A" or "B" caliber draft is slim to none.

 

[lspain1]

I guess I'm not a hater but I wonder about the 2nd Round decisions (and I say decisions because I assume the Cowboys at least considered moving up a few times). Delmas and Chung went at 33 and 34 and I suspect those were too early for the Cowboys to move for this years picks. Robiskie went at 36, was that a spot the Cowboys could have moved into? How about #44 with the Dolphins?

I'm not a talent evaluator so I can't really question who was picked where, but I expected the Cowboys to use some of their picks to move up in the 2nd Round to get a player they liked. They did not do that and they seemed too passive in the 2nd, particularly when you factor in the "weak" rating given this draft class. How many picks we made are going to make this squad in the fall?

 

[LittleD]

You are so right!!!!!

What would it have cost to move up 5 to 6 places and get Ungar if that was the need and best choice.... Trading back for less than value was a gutless move by the 3 stooges running the show. Not moving up with the 3rd round pick to get the DE at the bottom of the second was also a major blunder. Chicago seemed to have our playbook all day...

Dallas braintrust is a bunch of "Chumps" who just got fleeced at "Liars Poker".

 

[Doomsday101]

He should be fine in the WCO if he knows how to read defenses while running. Andy Reid is a heck of an offensive coordinator who puts his receiver in position to make plays, but it's up the receivers to make them.

Now, here's their problem: size. I'm a huge fan of Desean Jackson, but he's small. Maclin is not much bigger. If you hit them, it would throw them off their routes, which is imperative in the WCO, and that will create problem.

However if you miss and they get to run free in the open field, you're done.

Also, your D-line CANNOT lose containment of McChunky because that would distract the DBs which will open the door for Jackson and Maclin to run crazy on you.

True Philly and the version of the WCO they run could be perfect for Maclin. I'm not trying to put the guy down I just think in some big games he did not have as big of an impact as some of the other Big 12 WR's hell even Cosby of Texas who does not have the same speed or size of Maclin put up big numbers in big games. I'm not saying Cosby is better only that in big games is when you expect stars to shine

 

[Randy White]

I'd lay money that Buffalo didn't initiate that exchange. It wasn't a case of Buffalo trading up as much as it was a case of Dallas trading down.

I'll take you up on that. Dallas didn't call Buffalo asking them if they were interested in the pick, it was the other way around.

Dallas had that deal on the table and waited until the very last second for anyone else to improve on what wasn't very good value. .

That doesn't mean that Buffalo didn't initiated the deal. That just means that there were other team interested in the pick as well and Dallas was waiting on them to improve it.

The team that loses via the trade chart is almost always the one looking to make the move

Trade chart ? That's old news man. Teams don't use that anymore if they ever did to begin with. You think Carolina and Denver trading their #1 picks next year for this year's 2nd round picks use " trade charts " ?

What happens is that teams become interersted in certain players. If they're there, they go get them for whatever THEY think is a reasonable price. If there's such thing as a trade chart, then there are 32 different trade charts that change constantly.

 

[Randy White]

True Philly and the version of the WCO they run could be perfect for Maclin. I'm not trying to put the guy down I just think in some big games he did not have as big of an impact as some of the other Big 12 WR's hell even Cosby of Texas who does not have the same speed or size of Maclin put up big numbers in big games. I'm not saying Cosby is better only that in big games is when you expect stars to shine

All I know is that we're going to be using all the DBs we drafted yesterday.

And why I'm a little disappointed we didn't addressed the D-line.

 

[Bach]

We did not have a 1st because of RW who I think will workout very well for Dallas as for not having a 2nd in large part because many of those projected at 51 had already been taken. Hell BP took Pat White in the 2nd that is how fricken weak this draft was there was not players that had starter writen all over him late in the 2nd rd. Hell you want to complain fine you seem to do that all the time anyway so why would this day be any different. You seem to think there was great talent out there I disagree I don't think there was much.

No, actually I call it like I see it, unlike some who just tote the company line 24/7. Last year, I thought we did very well and so far that still looks to be the case. If all I did was complain then how do you account for me saying throughout this past year how I liked our draft last year? That's right, you can't - you're just full of it.

This year we traded a 1st, 3rd and 6th for a WR who hasn't appeared to be any better than a decent #2 receiver. And then Jerry settled on a so-so trade down because he panicked when 2 or 3 players were taken right before us. But you can't tell me there weren't better players available at #51 than what we ended up with.

And, I don't recall saying there was great talent out there. But that doesn't mean we couldn't have done better with what was out there. Getting 4th-5th round talent with our 3rd round picks which just happen to be our first two picks of the draft, doesn't equate into having a good draft. Taking a kicker in the 5th when we already have a pro bowl caliber PK isn't wise. Most of the players we took in the 5th-7th round were good value picks. But at the end of the day they are still basically 5th-7th rounders. Overall, we likely didn't get any impact players. At best we may have a couple of marginal starters, some career backups and a few special teamers. Other teams like the Giants and Eagles in our own division did better even though they started out with lower picks. It's all in how you manage it and they're taking bigger steps to improve their team and that's the name of the game. That's what it's all about.

 

[LittleD]

I'll take you up on that. Dallas didn't call Buffalo asking them if they were interested in the pick, it was the other way around.



That doesn't mean that Buffalo didn't initiated the deal. That just means that there were other team interested in the pick as well and Dallas was waiting on them to improve it.



Value chart ? That's old news man. Teams don't use that anymore if they ever did to begin with. You think Carolina and Denver trading their #1 picks next year for this year's 2nd round picks use " value charts " ?

What happens is that teams become interersted in certain players. If they're there, they go get them for whatever THEY think is a reasonable price. If there's such thing as a value chart, then there are 32 different value charts that change constantly.

They should have been making plans to boldly go up in the draft to get better players like Ungar instead of looking of ways to stay at 51. The Stooges running Valley Ranch couldn't draft their way out of a paper bag...

Same thing in the Third... We should have used some of those picks we had to get the best available player at the bottom of the second.

Very bad braintrust we have running the Dallas Cowboys I'd say.:bang2:

 

[Doomsday101]

No, actually I call it like I see it, unlike some who just tote the company line 24/7. Last year, I thought we did very well and so far that still looks to be the case.

This year we traded a 1st, 3rd and 6th for a WR who hasn't appeared to be any better than a decent #2 receiver. And then Jerry settled on a so-so trade down because he panicked when 2 or 3 players were taken right before us. But you can't tell me there weren't better players available at #51 than what we ended up with.

And, I don't recall saying there was great talent out there. But that doesn't mean we couldn't have done better with what was out there. Getting 4th-5th round talent with our 3rd round picks which just happen to be our first two picks of the draft, doesn't equate into having a good draft. Taking a kicker in the 5th when we already have a pro bowl caliber PK isn't wise. Most of the players we took in the 5th-7th round were good value picks. But at the end of the day they are still basically 5th-7th rounders. Overall, we likely didn't get any impact players. At best we may have a couple of marginal starters, some career backups and a few special teamers. Other teams like the Giants and Eagles in our own division did better even though they started out with lower picks. It's all in how you manage it and they're taking bigger steps to improve their team and that's the name of the game. That's what it's all about.

Again that is your view and opinion I don't agree with it. I think RW will show himself to be a good pickup and will be much less of a distraction that what this team has been dealing with as for the picks Dallas may have been better off using some extra picks to move up once they started seeing players on their board starting to fall but in the end I think you go by your scouting and your board and evidently they did not feel it was worth moving up for those players. This is the same scouting department from last year and yes I trust their judgment because of the job they did more so than any fan on this board.

 

[DFWJC]

Instead of moving from thread to thread and telling us how the team screwed up, made dumb picks, didnt do this, Jones is an idiot, it was like 1995, team got worse etc etc.

Kindly take some time and tell us what YOU would have done differently. Please spare us the vague "there were better people available" and the "I would have moved up"...Explain it. Tell us who'd you have picked instead of the guys we did, or if you were going to move up tell us for who, with who and what we'd have given up to accomplish that.

This should be interesting.

Not really a hater here, but here is what I would have done--including flexiblity:

2(51) OT-W. Beatty, CB/S-S. Smith, DT- S-D. Marks
3(69) DE- M. Johnson, C- A. Caldwell, WR- B Tate
4(101) WR- M. Thomas, QB- S. McGee
4(117) CB- DJ. Moore, DE-L Sidbury, WR- L Murphey
5(156) CB- V Harris, OT- F. Tapou, OT- J Merideth
5(166) SS- K Hamlin, OT- H. Johnson, QB- N. Davis
5(172) QB- T. Brandstater, CB-C. Francis, etc
6(197) SS- S. Hodge
6(208) K- D Buehler, TE- J Phillips, G- P Fanika
7(210) C- AQ Shipley, CB M. Mickens, WR D Byrd
7(227) CB- M Mickens, QB- B Hoyer, S- E Cook


I also would have considered trading up slighty to grab E Brown, Sintum, Barwin, or Unger...maybe even Maulauga...but some of those require an entire different approach and would be expensive (a 4th or 3rd)

 

[LittleD]

I also agree with you that you are entitled to your own opinion and also be a number one homer if that is your wish.

I hope you will come back to this forum in December to talk about the butt-whippen we will be getting again because of the lack of ownership, talent evaluators and coaches this team is plagued with.

 

[hendog]

No, actually I call it like I see it, unlike some who just tote the company line 24/7. Last year, I thought we did very well and so far that still looks to be the case. If all I did was complain then how do you account for me saying throughout this past year how I liked our draft last year? That's right, you can't - you're just full of it.

This year we traded a 1st, 3rd and 6th for a WR who hasn't appeared to be any better than a decent #2 receiver. And then Jerry settled on a so-so trade down because he panicked when 2 or 3 players were taken right before us. But you can't tell me there weren't better players available at #51 than what we ended up with.

And, I don't recall saying there was great talent out there. But that doesn't mean we couldn't have done better with what was out there.picks of the draft, doesn't equate into having a good draft. Taking a kicker Getting 4th-5th round talent with our 3rd round picks which just happen to be our first two in the 5th when we already have a pro bowl caliber PK isn't wise. Most of the players we took in the 5th-7th round were good value picks. But at the end of the day they are still basically 5th-7th rounders. Overall, we likely didn't get any impact players. At best we may have a couple of marginal starters, some career backups and a few special teamers. Other teams like the Giants and Eagles in our own division did better even though they started out with lower picks. It's all in how you manage it and they're taking bigger steps to improve their team and that's the name of the game. That's what it's all about.

You say we got 4th -5th rd talent with our 3rd rd picks yet Goose Gosselin had them both ranked as 3rd rders in his list of top 100.

 

[lspain1]

I hope you will come back to this forum in December to talk about the butt-whippen we will be getting again because of the lack of ownership, talent evaluators and coaches this team is plagued with.

No offense LittleD, but I hope you're wrong.

 

[Derinyar]

The question I have on trading up into the second was this. It seemed like a lot of people had the area at the end of the 2nd as one of the worst parts of this draft. Why should you pay to trade up for someone who is seemly similar to someone you can get where you stayed at.

You can argue about the percieved value of the players picked in the high third for us. Maybe there were mistakes there, maybe there weren't, time will tell. right now it looks like a very meh draft, something like a C.

Those claiming the Raiders had a better draft are stoned.

 

[Bach]

Again that is your view and opinion I don't agree with it. I think RW will show himself to be a good pickup and will be much less of a distraction that what this team has been dealing with as for the picks Dallas may have been better off using some extra picks to move up once they started seeing players on their board starting to fall but in the end I think you go by your scouting and your board and evidently they did not feel it was worth moving up for those players. This is the same scouting department from last year and yes I trust their judgment because of the job they did more so than any fan on this board.

It's not just fans on this board. The consensus among draft experts in the league and draft-only sites have us having a subpar draft.

Of course I'm sure you trusted Jerry and Lacewell in the mid to late '90s' over everyone else too. That really worked out well didn't it?

And one more thing, last year draft, Ireland had scouted all the players during the season and we had all of his notes and scouts reports to work off of. This is the first draft that Jerry and the current scouting department did fully on their own without any input from Ireland and/or Parcells since '01.

 

[Doomsday101]

The question I have on trading up into the second was this. It seemed like a lot of people had the area at the end of the 2nd as one of the worst parts of this draft. Why should you pay to trade up for someone who is seemly similar to someone you can get where you stayed at.

You can argue about the percieved value of the players picked in the high third for us. Maybe there were mistakes there, maybe there weren't, time will tell. right now it looks like a very meh draft, something like a C.

Those claiming the Raiders had a better draft are stoned.

You are not kidding. Raiders have Crabtree there for the taking and they select a WR in Heyward-Bey who many thought was a 2nd rd draft pick and is known for his questionable hands? Wow

 

[Bach]

You say we got 4th -5th rd talent with our 3rd rd picks yet Goose Gosselin had them both ranked as 3rd rders in his list of top 100.

Goose and those in Valley Ranch would be about the only ones. There was definitely better talent to be had with both those picks. Williams, though, is intriguing and I don't mind. Brewster on the other hand was a reach and not even the best OL available.

 

[hendog]

It's not just fans on this board. The consensus among draft experts in the league and draft-only sites have us having a subpar draft.

Of course I'm sure you trusted Jerry and Lacewell in the mid to late '90s' over everyone else too. That really worked out well didn't it?

And one more thing, last year draft, Ireland had scouted all the players during the season and we had all of his notes and scouts reports to work off of. This is the first draft that Jerry and the current scouting department did fully on their own without any input from Ireland and/or Parcells since '01.

And BP and Ireland just drafted pat white with their 2nd. Would you have liked that if JJ and wade would have made that pick? Just curious?

 

[Silverstar]

Johnny Knox and his 4.29 speed would have been a nice pickup. At least, we could have matched the speed Philthy has now with Jackson and Maclin.

Austin and Stanback better have break out seasons!

 

[LittleD]

No offense LittleD, but I hope you're wrong.

But after all of these miserable years of no playoff wins and Ownership excuses for losing in December, I think that statistics are on my side and if I were rolling dice, I would take my odds.....