Attention all those that hate our draft!

[dbair1967]

That doesn't make sense. There are more choices available with the 11th pick than there is with the 25th pick of the same round . The odds are that the Patriots weren't the only team Tennessee called to trade up.

Had the Cowboys chosen to, they could have gotten a 2nd round pick in 2010 for that choice.

The Patriots at one point had four 2nds and four 3rds though right? I'm sure they were quite willing to unload some of those for picks next yr. We had 1 first day pic, #51.

Alsothe Pats got alot of value for moving the pick they did and getting back Tennessee's 2nd next yr. It wouldnt have been the same value for us because the pick we were giving up and Tennessee's probable pick in the 2nd were fairly close.

The point is, the Pats had plenty of first day picks to and had more flexibility, we did not.

 

[Doomsay]

Good grief, how many times are people going to claim that we drafted guys like Brewster two and three rounds early because a draft website like Walterfootball (who is Walter anyway?) had him as a 6th rounder?

I looked at a few positions and Walter, whoever he is, seems to be about 70% accurate in the first 6 rounds - as far as predicting what rounds players would be chosen in.

As far as teams, I looked at the Pats and I think that 8-9 players were picked at par or superior to his predictions (so, only 25%-30% reaches), and the Steelers had only 2 reaches (one round down) for 22%, whereas we had roughly 50% reaches and many big, big reaches for or most valuable picks (2-4 round reaches).

 

[Bach]

And if Williams does live up to his ability then it was not wasted and his addition to the team becomes big. As for the 2nd rd there was nothing that great at 51 Dallas was better off moving out and picking up the extra pick than to just select at 51 just so some cowboy fan with a draft day party did not get hacked off. Looking at what came after 51 was not very impressive

Williams will have to show more than he's shown so far in the league for that to be the case.

As for pick #51, it's pretty funny seeing you guys spin it. No doubt the players at #75 and #110 were much better and more impressive than those that went from #51-74.

Do you even read what you write??

 

[dacoming]

The only disappointment I had with our draft was passing on Rashad Johnson. They probably could have picked him in the 3rd and still got that LB and the OT.

 

[SMCowboy]

There are many that talk to actual professionals and are or have been NFL scouts that had him lower than the 3rd round.

Everyone on here wants to treat Gosselin like he's a draft god, but even he gave us a C, despite having our two 3rd round picks being projected in the 3rd round.

No matter how anyone spins it, this was a subpar draft and well below other teams in the division like the Eagles and Giants. If you don't believe me, then check Gosselin's grades since he's the resident guru.

Bach, if these sites were actually worth ANYTHING at all, then please explain to me how atleast one very popular one: NFLdraftscout.com could be so far off on these players, and this is just a small samplesize I could find VERY quickly:

Zack Potter - Rank 186 (UDFA)
Brian Hoyer - Rank 187 (UDFA)
Cornelius Lewis - Rank 185 (UDFA)
Quan Cosby - Rank 226 (UDFA)
Nathan Brown - Rank 216 (UDFA)
Jason Watkins - Rank 180 (UDFA)
Mitch King - Rank 148 (UDFA)
Kevin Ogletree - Rank 124 (UDFA)
Derek Walker - Rank 218 (UDFA)
Duke Robinson - Rank 57 (163)
James Casey - Rank 61 (152)

Here is how, these guys are cracks, who talk to noone. And most of the guys that write these sites do so, because they were not good enough to keep a job working for NFL teams....

Yet we fans take what they have as gospel for some reason.....

 

[dbair1967]

First I wouldn't have given up a 1st, 3rd and 6th round picks for Roy Williams. Not saying I don't like Roy, but that was too much to give up.

We did get a 7th rd pick back in te trade, so we essentially gave up a 1st and 3rd. If he produces at the level expected this yr and in the next couple, he's more than worth it.

3 (5) DE Michael Johnson or OT A. Caldwell
3 (11) WR Brandon Tate
4 (1) QB Stephen McGee
4 (10) S Chip Vaughn or DB D.J. Moore
4 (20) LB Sidbury or OT Kropog
5 (7) LB Marcus Freeman or OT Fenuki Topou
5 (30) S Michael Hamlin or OG Herman Johnson
5 (36) CB Coy Francies
6 (24) LB Stephen Hodge
6 (35) TE John Phillips
7 (18) CB Mike Micken
7 (20) DE Ricky Jean-Fracois or LB Zack Follet

I hated Johnson in this draft, 1st rd talent, 10 cent effort. The guy is never going to be a bigtime player because he wont work at it and doesnt go hard enough every play. I liked Caldwell and might have even preferred him to Brewster, although Brewster has the ability to be alot more physical and can play T and G, whereas Caldwell is a C/G (not T as you typed). I liked Tate but not in the 3rd rd, and I suspect had the Pats not had so many day one picks they wouldnt have chose him in the 3rd either. Chip Vaughn really looks the part, but he's never been very good in coverage. Sidbury and Freeman were nowhere near as productive as the guys we picked at LB. Sidbury had slightly better timed speed, but less production against lesser comp than the guys we picked in the 4th. I like the CB's we drafted better than Francies too.

I was thinking they might take Francois in the 7th, but am ok that they didnt. Another guy that looks like tarzan and other than one or two games, has always played like jane. He should be better than he is.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Instead of moving from thread to thread and telling us how the team screwed up, made dumb picks, didnt do this, Jones is an idiot, it was like 1995, team got worse etc etc.

Kindly take some time and tell us what YOU would have done differently. Please spare us the vague "there were better people available" and the "I would have moved up"...Explain it. Tell us who'd you have picked instead of the guys we did, or if you were going to move up tell us for who, with who and what we'd have given up to accomplish that.

This should be interesting.

I would have drafted Gilbert than M. Johnson then picked up Williams and added Murphy and R, Johnson then I would have picked J. Casey.

 

[SMCowboy]

Williams will have to show more than he's shown so far in the league for that to be the case.

As for pick #51, it's pretty funny seeing you guys spin it. No doubt the players at #75 and #110 were much better and more impressive than those that went from #51-74.

Do you even read what you write??

What more do you want Williams to do. Did you ever spend the time to actually LOOK at his stats?

17 tackles for a loss, 6 Forced Fumbles, 6 passes defensed, and 4 sacks. That is one VERY impressive set of stats even if it was at the FCS level....

 

[TheDude]

The point is, the Pats had plenty of first day picks to and had more flexibility, we did not.

Maybe we can come up with a new chart

1st round pick = 100 yds and 2TDs
3rd round pick = 89 yds and 0 TD

 

[wileedog]

Looking at what came after 51 was not very impressive

William Beatty was still on the board, and if CL wants to use Goose as the end all be all in draft ranking he was a full 18 players higher than Brewster.

Brewster's ceiling is probably an ok starting Guard - Kosier Part II. Beatty could potentially replace Flo (which is something that is going to need replacing soon).

And that's besides the fact that most of us think we should have been more aggressive about trading up, not down or staying put.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I looked at a few positions and Walter, whoever he is, seems to be about 70% accurate in the first 6 rounds - as far as predicting what rounds players would be chosen in.

As far as teams, I looked at the Pats and I think that 8-9 players were picked at par or superior to his predictions (so, only 25%-30% reaches), and the Steelers had only 2 reaches (one round down) for 22%, whereas we had roughly 50% reaches and many big, big reaches for or most valuable picks (2-4 round reaches).

I just checked on that site, and they ask "How does Jason Williams fit into a 3-4?" Are you kidding me? They don't even know that?

They also give us an F for Stephen McGee because he "struggled in Mike Sherman's pro-style offense at A&M." You mean the offense he was in part of one year when he was injured?

Then they ask where Stephen Hodge plays.

No, I don't think Walter football knows jack. But, if you think they can rate players better than the actual pro scouts Gosselin talks to -- and they thought McGee was one of our better picks -- knock yourself out.

 

[gbrittain]

This draft drama just kills me. There is only one way to grade a draft when you are doing it the day after the draft. The way to do it just looking at value.

There are no slam dunks in the draft. No one can sit here and tell me who is going to be a bust, poor, average, above average, good, Pro Bowler or HOF material.

All the moaning about this player being a special teamer or being a career back up is pure crap. No one knows.

If you could redo the 2003 draft what are the chances Jason Witten goes in the 3rd round?

I suppose everyone knew in the 2004 draft that Patrick Crayton would be our best pick?

I also suspect that in the 2005 draft we all knew that Jay Ratliff was just back up material since he was drafted in the 7th round?

How about the 2006 draft? We did draft someone in the 1st and 2nd rounds, how much did/have they contribute(d)?

Did we all know in the 2007 draft that our best pick would be on a kicker?

Who in the 2008 season played more like a 1st rounder Scandrick or Jenkins?

Anyway I can understand not being excited about this draft, it certainly did not excite me. As a matter of fact it was downright boring. I can critique all day long about where I think a player should have been drafted, but in the end no one knows how this story is going to end.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

This is the logic that doesn't make sense to me. Rather than look for potential starters, let's look for potential benchwarmers. Good call.

. . . Texas A&M QB Stephen McGee (fourth round, 101st overall) projected 6th-7th

. . . It seems to me, if they had their collective heart set on keeping the benches warm this coming season, the least they could have done was traded all their picks to own the 5th round and below and a few picks for next year rather than commit more money to an undeserving player who was drafted before he needed to be.

Good post, but you must be mistaken about McGee. He projected himself 1st or second round. :laugh2:

 

[jobberone]

Wow. Talk about a polorizing subject. There is no way to grade this draft on talent yet.

You aren't going to be able to project many of these tweeners who project to pass rushing OLBs in the 3-4. Nor the LBs who now have to cover much more than in the past. Nor the OL for the most part. Nor the college safeties. Not well for most.

We gave up our first. There goes the low risk guy and the flexibility. They missed out on their 2nd round guys apparently. So the draft grades are going to suck without them. Who cares? They're almost never right.

BTW, one specific. You people who are moaning about M Johnson not being drafted by us just didn't see enough film on the guy. He's one dimensional. This one I can be specific about despite being just a fan.

Chill. We only need to hit on a couple of guys hopefully 3-5. We have that chance esp with the two CBs, Williams, then ??????

Our season coming up is not dependent on this draft nearly as much as the play of the OL and Tony Romo.

 

[Dhragon]

There are many that talk to actual professionals and are or have been NFL scouts that had him lower than the 3rd round.

Everyone on here wants to treat Gosselin like he's a draft god, but even he gave us a C, despite having our two 3rd round picks being projected in the 3rd round.

No matter how anyone spins it, this was a subpar draft and well below other teams in the division like the Eagles and Giants. If you don't believe me, then check Gosselin's grades since he's the resident guru.

I believe Gosselin himself says he always gives bad grades regardless if that team has no 1st rounder. It is part of his ranking. Having no 1st OR 2nd and still getting a "C" from him is actually pretty good.

That being said, Gosselin is just guessing himself. Not any better than Kiper or McShay IMO.

 

[Dhragon]

McLovin gets post of the day honors. Nice job.

LOL, high praise from a Commander fan. McLovin must be proud.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Instead of moving from thread to thread and telling us how the team screwed up, made dumb picks, didnt do this, Jones is an idiot, it was like 1995, team got worse etc etc.

Kindly take some time and tell us what YOU would have done differently. Please spare us the vague "there were better people available" and the "I would have moved up"...Explain it. Tell us who'd you have picked instead of the guys we did, or if you were going to move up tell us for who, with who and what we'd have given up to accomplish that.

This should be interesting.

good point. it is always easy to crap on the draft but never have to say who the better players were.

I am puzzled by the draft, all the moving down makes no sense to me but I admit I have no idea who any of the players are so not like I am going to ***** about it.

 

[Shotgun Dave]

Instead of moving from thread to thread and telling us how the team screwed up, made dumb picks, didnt do this, Jones is an idiot, it was like 1995, team got worse etc etc.

Kindly take some time and tell us what YOU would have done differently. Please spare us the vague "there were better people available" and the "I would have moved up"...Explain it. Tell us who'd you have picked instead of the guys we did, or if you were going to move up tell us for who, with who and what we'd have given up to accomplish that.

This should be interesting.

Dbair,

No disrespect to you or your 20,000+ posts - and I mean that sincerely - but no one owes you the courtesy of posting in a manner that meets your standards. If people want to gripe, they get to gripe.

Mods, kindly let me know if I've missed some protocol. Otherwise, I'm still less than thrilled about our draft and will post accordingly.

 

[28 Joker]

I get this draft, and I really like it.

Hello, the roster was already front loaded before the draft.

The team needs a LT to groom. They told you what they thought of Beatty. They passed and everyone did.

Jason Williams is a potential future star. Phillips is going to get him on the field as fast as he can. He was, by far, the most talented player for the position opposite of Bradie James. It wasn't even close.

Brandon Williams has a ton of potential. He is a starting caliber player, too.

People cry about secondary depth.

We'll they got it with DeAngelo Smith, Mike Mickens, and Micheal Hamlin.

Hamlin could push for playing time. Mickens could have gone in round 1 or 2 if healthy. He's a very good player.

Plus, Dallas has Roy Williams, and he's better than Hakeem Nicks.

 

[SMCowboy]

Dbair,

No disrespect to you or your 20,000+ posts - and I mean that sincerely - but no one owes you the courtesy of posting in a manner that meets your standards. If people want to gripe, they get to gripe.

Mods, kindly let me know if I've missed some protocol. Otherwise, I'm still less than thrilled about our draft and will post accordingly.

Feel free to gripe, but give reasons why, any idiot can gripe. But if you are going to gripe atleast explain what we could have done different. Otherwise, you sound like a broken record who doesn't know anything.....