Battle Lines: more depth than ever at DT

gtb1943 said:
Pugh, Lilly, Cole and Andrie blow that entire group out of the water

Too Tall, Harvey, Manster and Dutton as well.

Clearly you have no knowledge of Cowboys history
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Lol, you clearly don't understand how much better this group is. So, Larry Cole is better than Parsons? That's ridiculous.
 
rambo2 said:
Lol, you clearly don't understand how much better this group is. So, Larry Cole is better than Parsons? That's ridiculous.
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It's the best D we've seen 'since' any championship unit. Doesn't mean they're as good, but they have an excellent group capable of getting there.
 
rambo2 said:
Lol, you clearly don't understand how much better this group is. So, Larry Cole is better than Parsons? That's ridiculous.
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Larry Cole was a lineman. I guess you really do know nothing. This thread is about DTs but clearly you do not care

Show me one DT we have that could beat out any DT on those groups. Lilly, Cole, Dutton and Manster. Come on expert, show me.
 
AND if you want to go all defense, its even more pathetic. Outside of Parsons show me one guy on this D that has a real chance at the HOF?
Diggs might if he can keep up his play for about 7 more years but that is a stretch.
 
gtb1943 said:
Larry Cole was a lineman. I guess you really do know nothing. This thread is about DTs but clearly you do not care

Show me one DT we have that could beat out any DT on those groups. Lilly, Cole, Dutton and Manster. Come on expert, show me.
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Smith, Hankins, Osa, put them all in a time machine and send them back. The world would freak out. Do you realize how much stronger, bigger and faster these guys are?
 
rambo2 said:
Smith, Hankins, Osa, put them all in a time machine and send them back. The world would freak out. Do you realize how much stronger, bigger and faster these guys are?
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That old chestnut is such a joke.

Well, those they are playing against are much bigger stronger and faster too. And WHAT have they accomplished compared to those GREAT DEFENSES?

So its irrelevent.

You really are pretty sad at this.
 
gtb1943 said:
That old chestnut is such a joke.

Well, those they are playing against are much bigger stronger and faster too. And WHAT have they accomplished compared to those GREAT DEFENSES?

So its irrelevent.

You really are pretty sad at this.
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Lol
 
shabazz said:
the middle of the line was a sieve at times…..Quinn knows this is a priority
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well, I think it was both inside and outside runs, because of what you said. we had trouble stopping the run in the middle, so when we focused more on stopping those, teams gashed us to the outside.
 
Cowboysheelsreds058 said:
Think you need two studs on the DL interior, Mazi & Hankins and then our ends should be able to pin there ears back on passing downs and just maintain outside control on runs.
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so for early downs. on 3rd downs, we need Osa, who can create pressure up the middle and push the pocket.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
well, I think it was both inside and outside runs, because of what you said. we had trouble stopping the run in the middle, so when we focused more on stopping those, teams gashed us to the outside.
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running QBs gave us serious trouble; Fields humiliated Tank.
 
gtb1943 said:
Larry Cole was a lineman. I guess you really do know nothing. This thread is about DTs but clearly you do not care

Show me one DT we have that could beat out any DT on those groups. Lilly, Cole, Dutton and Manster. Come on expert, show me.
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It's easy to say after they're retired with rings. But I'm sure your confidence level in year 2 and 3 was right where it is now considering before they won any championships Lily was there for 10 years, Cole 4, Randy 6. And by the time Dutton got there those championship seasons were already in the rear window.
 
gtb1943 said:
You got nothing. Show me the rings; show me the Championship game appearances this D has.

Come on

Show me.

Show me the great defensive performances like those great defenses had
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Enjoy the show.
 
Big_D said:
It's easy to say after they're retired with rings. But I'm sure your confidence level in year 2 and 3 was right where it is now considering before they won any championships Lily was there for 10 years, Cole 4, Randy 6. And by the time Dutton got there those championship seasons were already in the rear window.
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The Dallas D was already considered a top unit by 1966. And stayed that way with a few blips until the middle 1980's. Right around 20 years of a championship caliber D.

Dutton did not get a ring but he was in 3 straight NFC championship games. What has any of those on this D have to show?

The great D's showed up right away; this D has not.
 
Mac_MaloneV1 said:
Total yards doesn't matter, YPC doesn't account for game situation (i.e. Chicago).

Try again with adult numbers.
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total yards does matter. its either via higher YPC average or giving big run plays if below average, then its the number of runs and success of each run leading you to 3rd and short yardage situations.
often number of runs in a game is more important than actual yards because if you are able to do that, you are having success and staying on the field and converting 3rd downs and controlling the clock and shortening the game.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
total yards does matter.
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No, it does not. It is either reflective of the team losing big because the offense is struggling or winning big and letting the other team run - i.e. Chicago.

Volume rushing stats are not reflective, at all, of how good a run defense is.
 
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