Battle Lines: more depth than ever at DT

gtb1943 said:
The Dallas D was already considered a top unit by 1966. And stayed that way with a few blips until the middle 1980's. Right around 20 years of a championship caliber D.

Dutton did not get a ring but he was in 3 straight NFC championship games. What has any of those on this D have to show?

The great D's showed up right away; this D has not.
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I know all about those teams. I watched then long ago. They were very good in that era.
 
gtb1943 said:
The Dallas D was already considered a top unit by 1966. And stayed that way with a few blips until the middle 1980's. Right around 20 years of a championship caliber D.

Dutton did not get a ring but he was in 3 straight NFC championship games. What has any of those on this D have to show?

The great D's showed up right away; this D has not.
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1966 to 71 isn't exactly a short period off time. This D is a top unit that creates turnovers and terrorizes the QB. They havn't shown up YET just like that one early on. They were a great D but it's easy to say today after 2 Super Bowls and the benefit of hindsight.
 
rambo2 said:
I know all about those teams. I watched then long ago. They were very good in that era.
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Clearly you MAY have watched but you did not get it.

They were GREAT defenses; you do remember the moniker DOOMSDAY?

But then again you are one of those that think only the players of today are great and that is a pile of steaming horsecrap.
 
GoldenR said:
San Fran ran for over 200 yards two years ago and over a 100 last year, facts. But.....most logical folks know what is holding this team back and no excuses this year with the talent on offense. Then again, some always have an excuse depending on the player.
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you have to be able to win all kinds of ways. not excusing the offense as I like to see more. but there are games when its a defensive battle and the defense has to come through. Patriots scored 13 points and won a superbowl. that's with Gronk and Tom Brady. If I told you Patriots played Rams and scored 13 points, you would have guess they lost the game...same with SF, where they won two playoff games scoring 10, 13 points by only allowing 3 points each game they won.

so having a defense that can do that, is key. and yes, I still expect offense to be good, ability to score and push the opposing offense to take chances and put the defense in a better position.

and last year against SF, defense did good. offense should have been better. our offense just didn't match up with SF, with Pollard being out. Lamb being the only threat and the rest being Jags.
 
gtb1943 said:
Clearly you MAY have watched but you did not get it.

They were GREAT defenses; you do remember the moniker DOOMSDAY?

But then again you are one of those that think only the players of today are great and that is a pile of steaming horsecrap.
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Lol
 
Big_D said:
1966 to 71 isn't exactly a short period off time. This D is a top unit that creates turnovers and terrorizes the QB. They havn't shown up YET just like that one early on. They were a great D but it's easy to say today after 2 Super Bowls and the benefit of hindsight.
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Anyone calling this D Doomsday like they were calling the Dallas D that since 1967?

Until they DO something they are all fluff and no substance
 
gtb1943 said:
Anyone calling this D Doomsday like they were calling the Dallas D that since 1967?

Until they DO something they are all fluff and no substance
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They weren't Doomsday until they hoisted a trophy. Period. Then it's easy to call the first 5 years the doomsday D or even a 20 year stretch. lol But it still took time which this D obviously doesn't get. That team wasn't winning championships overnight.
 
Big_D said:
They weren't Doomsday until they hoisted a trophy. Period. Then it's easy to call the first 5 years the doomsday D or even a 20 year stretch. lol But it still took time which this D obviously doesn't get. That team wasn't winning championships overnight.
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A totally different league and era.
 
rambo2 said:
A totally different league and era.
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Which makes these comparisons even more ridiculous. The salary cap changes everything including very unreal expectations early in a players career.
 
Big_D said:
Which makes these comparisons even more ridiculous. The salary cap changes everything including very unreal expectations early in a players career.
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The modern day athlete is totally different from guys that played 40 and 50 years ago.
 
rambo2 said:
The modern day athlete is totally different from guys that played 40 and 50 years ago.
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Can this defensive unit live up to another defensive unit from 50 years ago. Really has nothing to do with the modern day athlete. It's all relative to the competition.
 
75boyz said:
Yep, no doubt.
This SHOULD be the plan. The coach has even said it WOULD be.

NOW go and prove it and don't get pass happy and mistake riddled at the first sign of good defenses which is my fear.
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The offense will go as far as the OL goes. Dak gets jumpy as soon as protection is questionable, and the rushing offense fell off considerably when Steele got hurt.

IMO — Kellen, Schultz, and Brown all leaving is a positive, and there should be better returns for the unit (from an efficiency standpoint not necessarily overall production)— but like you, they will need to get out there and prove it

Here’s to hopin’ lol
 
Hawkeye19 said:
The offense will go as far as the OL goes. Dak gets jumpy as soon as protection is questionable, and the rushing offense fell off considerably when Steele got hurt.

IMO — Kellen, Schultz, and Brown all leaving is a positive, and there should be better returns for the unit (from an efficiency standpoint not necessarily overall production)— but like you, they will need to get out there and prove it

Here’s to hopin’ lol
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Always enjoy your posts.
You have always known how to balance the good and bad in an objective way.
You should be a mod here.
 
jazzcat22 said:
I think Mazi has much better coaching and supporting cast than Byron. Better schemes as well.
However he is still learning, at least to be a pass rusher. I am sure there will be some growing pains. Which means you know what happens on here with that.
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You mean the place will say he's a bust after eight games lol
 
Mac_MaloneV1 said:
Not really true, and also irrelevant - especially in the GB game - if the offense doesn't turn the ball over.

On the TD drive to make it 28-21, GB hit on on 4th and 7 against a 7-man coverage with a safety over the top.
On the GB overtime drive, they hit a third-and-2 pass where the Cowboys only had a light box (one-step drop).

Dallas' biggest problem against GB was turnovers by the offense and DBs who couldn't cover anybody. The run defense wasn't very good, but it was way down the list as far as what cost them the game.
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No not at all.. you upgrade at a position because its better... upgrading the DT WILL make the defense better all over, with an upgrade at corner its even better
 
Big_D said:
They weren't Doomsday until they hoisted a trophy. Period. Then it's easy to call the first 5 years the doomsday D or even a 20 year stretch. lol But it still took time which this D obviously doesn't get. That team wasn't winning championships overnight.
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The Ice Bowl. The announcer for that game called them Doomsday.
So you are wrong.
 
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