BCS update - Texas #2 - Oklahoma #3

[Hank Johnson]

DUDE !! Wow! Ummmm are you my lost brother?

Jerold? Is that you?

You bring a real good unbiased take to this board. Its nice having you here Hank, I don't know if I ever said that.

uhhhhh.. did i mention that ou sucks???

 

[Dallas]

uhhhhh.. did i mention that ou sucks???

NO YOU DID NOT !!!

 

[DFWJC]

Nor can you underestimate challenges EARLY in the season against competent non conference foes. One in which is about to become the Big East champion, and the other is a well ranked, and very competent Texas Christian. Btw I am quite partial to the frogs.

Cincy is about to win their conference with I BELIEVE their third string QB. OU knocked out their 1st stringer who looked quite well against the goondocks. Was his name Grutza?

TCU gives everyone fits in non conference play. I know neither of these are big time heavyweights, but neither is Mizzou or Okie State.

I doubt it'd be a "sure thing" if TCU or Cincy were to play either one of those two teams i just previously mentioned.

Texas and ou both have compelling arguments which drives me to believe that the most impressive team RIGHT NOW deserves to play for the conference.

Yeah, I like those wins over TCU and Cincy.

 

[Hank Johnson]

Yeah, I like those wins over TCU and Cincy.

I watched both games and Cincy gave their secondary fits. Going off of that performance alone, I predicted Tech to slice and dice that defense.

TCU was set on stopping the run, which they did.

I have been completely impressed with Colt McCoy and his game. IMO the Heisman race should go:

1. McCoy
2. Tebow
3. Bradford

If you get after Bradford and blitz him, he will struggle and OU's chances of winning are very slim.

I was very unimpressed with UT against Okie State. McCoy was obviously impressive, but the rest of the team looked very average at home.

Against Tech, UT looked stale and that is where I draw the line. I don't care if they ripped up Kansas, so did OU. I think you have to put the past in the past and wait to see what happens next week.

If OU barely wins, I promise you the voters and computers will put UT above them based on the head to head. If OU completely dismantles OSU, or at least looks impressive in their victory, OU will leap UT because they will be the hotter team.

Still, you just can't go by this game against Tech. You can form your opinion as far as them looking excellent, but let's see if they can do it on the road against a worthy foe in a big time ANTI Gooner environment.

 

[joseephuss]

I don't think it's about the voters as much as it is about the computers. OU is in great position to pass Texas and here's why: There are 6 computer polls and here are how the 2 teams are ranked (in no particular order):

Texas - 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3
Oklahoma - 1, 2, 4, 4, 4, 5

The #1 tie-breaker computers use is strength of schedule. OU is actually lucky that they are playing such a good team this weekend. Texas can win and there just ain't any room for improvement (especially when playing such a mediocre team).

But if OU wins, then a couple of those 4's or the 5 will improve by a notch. Now that may not seem like much, but all it would take would be an improvement of 2 notches to improve their computer score by 1/10th of a point, which is all they need to pass Texas.

I don't disagree that OU will jump Texas in the BCS rankings after this week. I think that will happen. OU is already ranked ahead of Texas in both human polls, so as you say it only takes a small improvement in the computer rankings to leap Texas.

If Baylor beats Tech and Texas ends up winning the Big 12 title game then I think the human polls will go back in Texas' favor. That will be enough for Texas to jump back ahead of OU in the BCS rankings.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't know. I think it's crazy to allow OU in the Big 12 game over Texas if both teams win out. On the other hand, Tech beat Texas and that can't be ingnored. I do know this, OU has had more then enough changes to go and win something adn they have failed misserably the last serveral years. They always do this and the voters always go for it. They run up the score at the end of the year and it works for them. However, they get smoked in the BCS of late so I don't know.

 

[Dallas]

I don't know. I think it's crazy to allow OU in the Big 12 game over Texas if both teams win out. On the other hand, Tech beat Texas and that can't be ingnored. I do know this, OU has had more then enough changes to go and win something adn they have failed misserably the last serveral years. They always do this and the voters always go for it. They run up the score at the end of the year and it works for them. However, they get smoked in the BCS of late so I don't know.

That has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything. So you want to punish the kids this year because of what OU did the past few years?

Im sorry son. Oklahoma has showed poorly the past few years and even though you are playing some of the best football in the nation right now, im sorry you can't go to the big game because of past history.

Are you serious?

Something tells me you are just talking through your hatred for Oklahoma and Orange colored Glasses.

Thats like putting Dallas on probation because they haven't won a playoff game in forever. Sheebus!

 

[Chinfu]

Not sure about that because while Texas and OU both played a ranked team vs Missouri, Tech did not and the BCS computers will go by the toughness of schedule. I don’t see any way that Tech jumps from 7th ranking to #2 by beating Baylor

I am sure, if you have 2 teams with the identical record it goes to the head to head which Tech won against UT. Same if Tech loses all this BcS goes out the window and UT advances regardless of where OU is ranked. It only goes to the highest ranked team because it is a 3 way tie.

 

[Chinfu]

What in the hell do they play games for then?

If head to head means nothing than College football regular season means nothing.

And even though its a 3 way tie im pretty dang sure nobody is factoring in Texas Tech.

Its between Texas & OU. There is no way you can legitmately put OU in over Texas. Sorry but get real.

I'm getting real, it's a 3 way tie. You could also say OU lost to #2 UT while UT lost to #7 Tech therefore UT has the worse loss. If OU loses to OSU and UT and Tech both win well UT isn't going to the Big 12 Champ. game anyhow so yes Tech is still a factor.

So many factors but the fact is if things go the way people expect them to this weekend it will go down to the voters, polls and computers and what we say here has little effect. I don't like it either but that's what we have to deal with.

 

[Hank Johnson]

I don't know. I think it's crazy to allow OU in the Big 12 game over Texas if both teams win out. On the other hand, Tech beat Texas and that can't be ingnored. I do know this, OU has had more then enough changes to go and win something adn they have failed misserably the last serveral years. They always do this and the voters always go for it. They run up the score at the end of the year and it works for them. However, they get smoked in the BCS of late so I don't know.

What's in the past is in the past.

If you're going by history, Stoops and co. also won the Rose Bowl and the BCS National Championship along with the Cotton Bowl from the '01 season and the Holiday Bowl from the '05 season.

 

[Hank Johnson]

I'm getting real, it's a 3 way tie. You could also say OU lost to #2 UT while UT lost to #7 Tech therefore UT has the worse loss. If OU loses to OSU and UT and Tech both win well UT isn't going to the Big 12 Champ. game anyhow so yes Tech is still a factor.

So many factors but the fact is if things go the way people expect them to this weekend it will go down to the voters, polls and computers and what we say here has little effect. I don't like it either but that's what we have to deal with.

We're obviously not being real if we don't see eye to eye with our good buddy, Catch.

Problem is, I'm on his side for the most part. I just don't let my hatred for Oklahoma get in the way of what is reality.

 

[Hank Johnson]

That has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything. So you want to punish the kids this year because of what OU did the past few years?

Im sorry son. Oklahoma has showed poorly the past few years and even though you are playing some of the best football in the nation right now, im sorry you can't go to the big game because of past history.

Are you serious?

Something tells me you are just talking through your hatred for Oklahoma and Orange colored Glasses.

Thats like putting Dallas on probation because they haven't won a playoff game in forever. Sheebus!

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[Route 66]

I can't believe I am about to do this, but I figured you'd enjoy this, Dallas.

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Props to being a good sportsman. :toast:

 

[Biggems]

No offense but are you insane? If OU beats OSU and gets to the Big 12 and loses it, IMO they do not deserve to play for the National Championship.

i know what you are saying....but you are insane to think Missouri would even be able to stay on the same field with OU.

 

[Route 66]

i know what you are saying....but you are insane to think Missouri would even be able to stay on the same field with OU.

Huh? I'm an OU fan and I strongly believe Mizz isn't a match for OU. Show me where I stated that. Perhaps I gave the wrong impression on a prior post.

 

[Hank Johnson]

Huh? I'm an OU fan and I strongly believe Mizz isn't a match for OU. Show me where I stated that. Perhaps I gave the wrong impression on a prior post.

They should definitely scrap the north and south divisions since the north never can hold their own weight.

I'll never understand why you have one set of conferences with CCGs, then others that do it the way it's supposed to be done and watch the Big 12, ACC, and the SEC battle it out for several weeks after the other conferences are done and ready for a bowl.

Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma would destroy any of the north teams any day of the week. Heck, Okie State dismantled Missouri as well.

I thought it was pretty funny in '03 how an undefeated OU lost to a 3 loss K State team, and the Cats go on to be crowned the conference champs. In my mind, they should've had to beat OU two more times just to get a legit shot at that title.

It's just dumb when a team that wins the conference has a worse record than several other teams just because of the consequences of a conference championship game.

 

[jimmy40]

That has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything. So you want to punish the kids this year because of what OU did the past few years?

No, that would be crazy. We want to punish Stoops.

 

[MC KAos]

fact of the matter is that OU has no business being ahead of UT at the moment, they lost head to head in a neutral field while UT lost in a hostile environment on the fourth week of possibly the toughest stretch in college football. OU hasnt had the pleasure of playing four highly ranked teams in a row like that.

having said that, if OU beats Okie state in stillwater, without any controversy (ie blown call ala oregon a couple of years ago but for OU this time) i would be ok with them being ranked ahead of UT, i just dont think the human pollsters have any reason to put them ahead right now

 

[Route 66]

fact of the matter is that OU has no business being ahead of UT at the moment, they lost head to head in a neutral field while UT lost in a hostile environment on the fourth week of possibly the toughest stretch in college football. OU hasnt had the pleasure of playing four highly ranked teams in a row like that.

having said that, if OU beats Okie state in stillwater, without any controversy (ie blown call ala oregon a couple of years ago but for OU this time) i would be ok with them being ranked ahead of UT, i just dont think the human pollsters have any reason to put them ahead right now

If I'm not mistaken, human polls already had OU ahead of Texas for the BCS formula. It was the computer that kept them out of it.

 

[CATCH17]

If I'm not mistaken, human polls already had OU ahead of Texas for the BCS formula. It was the computer that kept them out of it.

You are correct.

Texas will get leaped this week in the BCS by OU.

The only thing that could save Texas is the humans.

So basically who ever VOTERS decide is the best team in the big 12 will get to play for the big 12 title.

We need a playoff desperately. Games should be decided on the field and College Football regular season doesn't do that.

+1 would be a great start.